2024 Paris Olympics Basketball | IBN PH Discussion Thread

[paolylo2]

will a Kawamura/Kai Sotto duo work in FIBA setting?

With a future without brownlee and clarkson, eventually Gilas will need to transition to an offense that revolves around the primary ball handler and a big (Kai)

We need a scoring point guard like Kawamura who can open up the floor for Kai.

RJ and Kai duo perhaps?

We were blinded by the idea of coaches, whether it's Tab Baldwin or Tim Cone, telling the media that little guys don't belong in FIBA unless they can defend. It really depends what are teams are willing to give up just so that they have a two-man-game option. It's hard to agree if someone like RJ or Belangel or even Jerom Lastimosa can do that as well as Kawamura because they've done it to some extent at the FIBA Asia/SEA Games (no FIBA eligibility rules) level.

At the FIBA level, Alapag scoring 18 against Senegal and Heading scoring 16 against the DR looks cute compared to what Kawamura just did. It's also hard to imagine how a scoring point guard will do when everything Cone has done is off a pinch post because it invloves the guy in the corner and the top of the key... not just the 7'2 center where the ball came from. It's that Pinoy exceptionalism pride that still insists guys like Ravena or Romeo are way better individually than guys like Kawamura or Togashi.

 

[greenarcher2]

The more you act like that, the more you look like rabid. Sorry.

Sorry people who cannot substantiate their claims without any proof is either lazy or making false statements.

 

[greenarcher2]

that's why i am saying let's wait for the Japan-Brazil game as it will be the better gauge for now as Brazil will be the common opponent between Gilas and Japan, if Japan wins or lose with less than 11 points then i will admit that they are significantly better than us because we never know when we will face them in a real game with both having full lineups as it will be the best gauge which country is better

What for? A 100 point loss against Brazil does not mean their program is wrong or that we are instantly better than them.

All these fallacies and analogies of "If A beats B and B beats C" is hilarious. You want to prove that Gilas is better? You can't. Because they are the ones in the Olympics. We are not. They faced France and Germany. We didn't. All these hypothetical comparisons is a JOKE. Even two full line up teams can have either side having a bad shooting day. Heck even USA had off shooting days with their "full lineups".

Please don't be like Robert with all his non-sense hypotheticals.

I hope Japan wins so I can see how you move the goal post for the nth time. Would love to see an explanation why we are still better despite them beating Brazil. LOL

 

[reamily2]

One thing going for Japan is their youth beinte and huertas will be the offense f brazil but their 45 year olders.. It would be high time for the us bred tominaga to show that he is a stephen curry understudy.

Actually lamang Japan sa tao..Aco/Splitter was just grinding this team to make past a quite lighter group where they topple the best opposition which is latvia..

 

[ja.he2]

Sorry people who cannot substantiate their claims without any proof is either lazy or making false statements.

I had a long conversation with people since this thread started so I know. No false statements since I already been in the constant conversation here since the first week of July.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

You are comparing the achievements of a country addicted to basketball, where the Number1 sport was always basketball, to a country where basketball is at best, Top 3 or Top 4 behind Football, Baseball and Volleyball.

For the sake of argument, what has 30-40 years of basketball obssession given us? In 34 years, 1 Asian Games Gold and 1 Asian Games Silver. In 39 years, 1 Gold and 2 Silvers in the Asian Cup. What has Japan acccomplished in a span of 5-7 years despite basketball not being their Number 1 sport? From practically nobodies in Asian basketball to the Paris Olympics and wins in the EASL.

Who between the two is moving in the right direction? Who should be emulated? You want to emulate and support a league that has an import height limit? LOL

zero podium finishes in major asian national team tournaments, i will give the olympic qualification and EASL win to Japan as they really achieved it, i dont care about the height limit in PBA as with or without limit fckn CTC sticks with JB, though i really don't like a league with more than 2 imports its a personal preference if i want to see teams with multiple international players i will choose the best product which is NBA, and lastly if teams like Ros is having a hardtime to sign a rookie what made you think that they are willing to spend more in case the PBA will implement multiple imports, for sure ROS will be the first team to vote against having multiple imports, i just accepted that not all PBA teams can spend a lot for them to emulate other leagues of having multiple imports

 

[reamily2]

We were blinded by the idea of coaches, whether it's Tab Baldwin or Tim Cone, telling the media that little guys don't belong in FIBA unless they can defend. It really depends what are teams are willing to give up just so that they have a two-man-game option. It's hard to agree if someone like RJ or Belangel or even Jerom Lastimosa can do that as well as Kawamura because they've done it to some extent at the FIBA Asia/SEA Games (no FIBA eligibility rules) level.

At the FIBA level, Alapag scoring 18 against Senegal and Heading scoring 16 against the DR looks cute compared to what Kawamura just did. It's also hard to imagine how a scoring point guard will do when everything Cone has done is off a pinch post because it invloves the guy in the corner and the top of the key... not just the 7'2 center where the ball came from. It's that Pinoy exceptionalism pride that still insists guys like Ravena or Romeo are way better individually than guys like Kawamura or Togashi.

High time to admit that they're good and an evolution of yuta tabuse, who made it to the nba despite limited offense..

 

[reamily2]

Another thing that got somewhat lost in this Japan game is, "USA ginulat ng Serbia sa 3x3"

Jimmer and his buds lost to World No.1 Serbia 22-14

Long fight ahead.. the legendary team of serbia 3x3 was dubiously defeated by Russians last Olympics.. How Much dusan how much..

 

[reamily2]

zero podium finishes in major asian national team tournaments, i will give the olympic qualification and EASL win to Japan as they really achieved it, i dont care about the height limit in PBA as with or without limit fckn CTC sticks with JB, though i really don't like a league with more than 2 imports its a personal preference if i want to see teams with multiple international players i will choose the best product which is NBA, and lastly if teams like Ros is having a hardtime to sign a rookie what made you think that they are willing to spend more in case the PBA will implement multiple imports, for sure ROS will be the first team to vote against having multiple imports, i just accepted that not all PBA teams can spend a lot for them to emulate other leagues of having multiple imports

I still remember the 1997 abc, the takehiko Orimo free throws..

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

What for? A 100 point loss against Brazil does not mean their program is wrong or that we are instantly better than them.

All these fallacies and analogies of "If A beats B and B beats C" is hilarious. You want to prove that Gilas is better? You can't. Because they are the ones in the Olympics. We are not. They faced France and Germany. We didn't. All these hypothetical comparisons is a JOKE. Even two full line up teams can have either side having a bad shooting day. Heck even USA had off shooting days with their "full lineups".

Please don't be like Robert with all his non-sense hypotheticals.

I hope Japan wins so I can see how you move the goal post for the nth time. Would love to see an explanation why we are still better despite them beating Brazil. LOL

you are the one trying to move the goal post i clearly said that if they beat japan or lose less than 11 points i will admit that Japan is better because like what i said for now that's the only gauge as Brazil is the common opponent and not until we face them we cannot tell who is the better team, for me its just simple whoever wins is the better team, yes there are factors like a bad shooting day but what if it is because the other team defended well? we can throw all the stats but the end of the day the winner of a specific game is the better team unless the other team end up winning it all

 

[greenarcher2]

So what if Brazil has an off shooting night against Japan and/or Caboclo gets to an early foul trouble or gets injured and ends up losing? Will you take away credit away from Japan? Put an asterisk on their win because Brazil did not play with a "full lineup"? Will it be Japan's fault things like that happened to the other team? LOL

No two games are similar. Jesus Christ. 11 point loss? Seriously? You talk like all basketball games operate under the same scenarios everytime, where shooting averages and energy levels are always constant. Where players do not get off nights or foul troubles or injuries.

For your logic to work, Brazil needs to shoot and play and rebound exactly the way they did against us. Including the playing time should be exactly the same.

Good luck with that kind of logic. Not frying my brain cells any further.
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[greenarcher2]

I had a long conversation with people since this thread started so I know. No false statements since I already been in the constant conversation here since the first week of July.

I was not informed that guy spoke on all our behalf. May spokesman pala mga posters dito. Noted.

 

[Metta2]

One thing going for Japan is their youth beinte and huertas will be the offense f brazil but their 45 year olders.. It would be high time for the us bred tominaga to show that he is a stephen curry understudy.

Actually lamang Japan sa tao..Aco/Splitter was just grinding this team to make past a quite lighter group where they topple the best opposition which is latvia..

It will be a battle of tempo and team identity. Brazil will prefer a low (scoring) and slow game while Japan will prefer run and gun. If Brazil controls the pace and make it low-scoring, Japan still has a chance if they can keep it within striking distance and then live-and-die with their 3-pt shooters. If it becomes run and gun, Brazil can still win if they take advantage of their athleticism and make easy fast-break points.

Japan's coach is good but people are also not recognizing how good Brazil's coach is. He made adjustments against the Philippines and hid their best JB defender until the later part of the game of which CTC had no counter.

Bottom line for me, this is not a foregone conclusion game.

 

[ja.he2]

I was not informed that guy spoke on all our behalf. May spokesman pala mga posters dito. Noted.

Sorry, you are acting like PeeZones. You are losing it just for Japan. I feel so sorry for you.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Japan is what Philippines should be.. they have good program something you never ever will appreciate and most people here are appreciating it..

They started with llamas to know, that’s progress.

1 win by gilas doesn’t mean we have good basketball program..

just look at our youth.. that says it all. do we have grassroots? let’s talk about that. i never see you contributed to that topic. let’s talk about that.. let’s talk about college scenes, high school leagues and etc.. let’s talk about that..

not doubting tim and the gilas..

root towards opponents? we have lots of receipts robert. don’t lie..

Our youth program is OK.. not so synchronize than Japan but we are getting there... Of course I would love having better coach than Josh Reyes.. anyway Gilas u16 beat Japan u16 last year... in terms of program, we are not way behind than them... It just the trust of the fans towards against Reyeses that still doubting the youth program...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

It will be a battle of tempo and team identity. Brazil will prefer a low (scoring) and slow game while Japan will prefer run and gun. If Brazil controls the pace and make it low-scoring, Japan still has a chance if they can keep it within striking distance and then live-and-die with their 3-pt shooters. If it becomes run and gun, Brazil can still win if they take advantage of their athleticism and make easy fast-break points.

Japan's coach is good but people are also not recognizing how good Brazil's coach is. He made adjustments against the Philippines and hid their best JB defender until the later part of the game of which CTC had no counter.

Bottom line for me, this is not a foregone conclusion game.

One lucky game of Japan and people here going crazy and believing they can beat Brazil... Did they notice Brazilian coaching staff are more focus beating Japan... Their games are not blowouts too.. they also fight... Against Germany, the Brazilians did it all just to make the game interesting...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

We were blinded by the idea of coaches, whether it's Tab Baldwin or Tim Cone, telling the media that little guys don't belong in FIBA unless they can defend. It really depends what are teams are willing to give up just so that they have a two-man-game option. It's hard to agree if someone like RJ or Belangel or even Jerom Lastimosa can do that as well as Kawamura because they've done it to some extent at the FIBA Asia/SEA Games (no FIBA eligibility rules) level.

At the FIBA level, Alapag scoring 18 against Senegal and Heading scoring 16 against the DR looks cute compared to what Kawamura just did. It's also hard to imagine how a scoring point guard will do when everything Cone has done is off a pinch post because it invloves the guy in the corner and the top of the key... not just the 7'2 center where the ball came from. It's that Pinoy exceptionalism pride that still insists guys like Ravena or Romeo are way better individually than guys like Kawamura or Togashi.

There is an exemption of small players in FIBA play... Those small guards should be like Campazzo or Yago Santos.. tough defender, quick guards, excellent ball handler and very good shooter... If those small guards doesn't have those qualities then forget hiring small guards...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Who cares if Japan loses to Brazil?

They set out to win the winnable games. And this was one bad call / silly foul away from being a won game. Just like their Finland game, they don't waste opportunities given to them. They beat opponents they are supposed to beat. If Brazil is simply a bad matchup like Germany, then so be it.

How many winnable games have we been given through the years? What did we do?

This is what I'm talking about.. talking about Japan going crazy while Gilas or any other Asian teams doing the same but still doubting their capabilities... Gilas beating Latvia in their home is way bigger than Japan beating Finland in Japan.. Japan still lose to France , so moral victories are not counted... A loss is still loss...

 

[Metta2]

One lucky game of Japan and people here going crazy and believing they can beat Brazil... Did they notice Brazilian coaching staff are more focus beating Japan... Their games are not blowouts too.. they also fight... Against Germany, the Brazilians did it all just to make the game interesting...

Read my posts. We don't share the same views.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

I like Robert better when he was dick-riding Guam, not so when he accuses everybody in this forum to be Japan's bitches.

Just take the L man, It's gonna be alright.

What L? Did Japan won? They lose, right? Stop dickriding Japanese team... About Guam, I don't expect to win more games from them.. I just only appreciate their program despite small in population.. but that's it... My stand on Guam is like my stand on south Sudan.. new kids on the block but they proved that they can compete, perfect underdogs story... Basketball is playing everywhere (now 2nd most popular sport in the world)... Maybe 10 years from now even Pakistan and Bangladesh will start their basketball program too.. look at South Sudan now, they are now everyones favorite.. SSD vs Puerto Rico was watched live by more than 27k fans live... Because like me, many people want underdogs to succeed... This is also my assessment with Guam in the future too, A perfect definition of underdogs...