2024 Paris Olympics Basketball | IBN PH Discussion Thread

[C2Hamm2]

Les Bleus need another wing outside of Evan Fournier.

NBA is still prepping them: dieng, coulibaly, cissoko, Fischer, salaun, and dadiet. Traore will be drafted in 1 to 2 years time as well.

I problem made a wrong spelling or 2 there.

 

[maxpayne2]

That is also the same for the rest of the world.. where is Embiid came from? Even most of Gilas players are born overseas.. The bottomline here is despite they are one of the poorest countries in the world, they have solid basketball program that most of develop countries such as China, Korea, Philippines, etc... still struggling to be competitive worldwide, they have facilities, earning millions w/o leaving overseas and have basketball culture...[/

please listen to yourself Rob and try to think outside the box. How many SSD players, current, are based in their own country? Probably 1 or 2 ? And they are being helped developed by NBA Africa. Most of their players are from Canada, Oz and the USA where they have good basketball programs. They just need to familiarize themselves together and Woalah.
How many overseas players does Gilas Have? Less than half of the team. Isnt it? Can you compare the Philippine ball program with these countries? We are miles behind them.

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

That is also the same for the rest of the world.. where is Embiid came from? Even most of Gilas players are born overseas.. The bottomline here is despite they are one of the poorest countries in the world, they have solid basketball program that most of develop countries such as China, Korea, Philippines, etc... still struggling to be competitive worldwide, they have facilities, earning millions w/o leaving overseas and have basketball culture...[/

please listen to yourself Rob and try to think outside the box. How many SSD players, current, are based in their own country? Probably 1 or 2 ? And they are being helped developed by NBA Africa. Most of their players are from Canada, Oz and the USA where they have good basketball programs. They just need to familiarize themselves together and Woalah.
How many overseas players does Gilas Have? Less than half of the team. Isnt it? Can you compare the Philippine ball program with these countries? We are miles behind them.

most of them are products of Australian Basketball. 2 of their best players are American. Luol Deng has NBA written all over him. Their coach was an NBA vet. add to that their genetics. They all played high-level organized basketball leading up to this moment. Levels better than the PBA. They're just built for the game.

Meanwhile Philippine basketball cluelessly tries to piece the puzzle together every FIBA cycle. We just don't know where to get our players because for years our local players aren't good enough, we don't know how to properly develop them and what system we're gonna run. Because by default, Filipinos aren't really made for basketball. We just love it for unknown reasons. We're short, unathletic, and politically chaotic that everybody has their own theory on how to come up with the best Filipino basketball team.

SSD knows what direction its gonna take from the very start, but yeah, I said a lot of things but genetics and brains are the main reason why they're there.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

SSD players are just representative of their country but they did not learn how to play basketball in that country

 

[Dotch2]

One of Philippines best medal hopes, is Pole Vaulter EJ Obiena.

In the Olympic cycle leading to this year's edition in Paris, EJ is only second to the pole vault GOAT Mondo Duplantis in terms of achievements. But he tends to disappear in major events or performs poorly. Recently he only placed 4th in the field that includes Mondo and the 2 American Olympic vaulters. Bad sign.

But let's hope, he will deliver PHL's first Track and Field Medal in 88 years.

Outlook: Silver, but anything can happen. Mondo can no-height his attempts, opening the field.

EJ not sounding so optimistic

 

[Dotch2]

Australia def France via a Dyson Daniels buzzer-beater

 

[Dotch2]

Serbia def Japan 119 - 100

Yuta Watanabe said in the post-match interview, ``I think we felt good as a team today, and we played a better game than we've ever scored. From now on, we will work as a team to eliminate small mistakes,'' he said.​

 

[Dotch2]

Team Philippines arrive in Paris Olympic Village. May baon na A/C?

 

[ja.he2]

Shaq Taganas is available. lol. but right,

I think Lebanon saw this too hence the Omari Spellman signing.

Spain did this with Serge Ibaka. Indonesia did this with Marques Bolden.

we also sort of had a Sofoklis Schortsanitis with Andray Blatche in 2019 problem is we didn't have an ocean of 3 pointers.

with Japan's budget, top of mind is naturalize James Wiseman or Robert Williams or Mitchell Robinson.

one of those 3 mentioned centers + Rui Yuta Tominaga they can hang with the elite elite teams

Serge Ibaka was more like a PNR rollman in Spain than a traditional back-to-the-basket bigman which Sofo was.

Andray Blatche is a modern bigman. Asi Taulava was the closer to Sofo in terms of playing style.

Sofo was a perfect fit for Greece that time since the team was dominated by shooters and finesse bigs who can also shoot. He was hefty, strong and deceptively quick for his frame - that made Greece a virtually "4 out - 1" in team.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

11 Most Popular Sports in Angola (sportsfoundation.org)​

not defending SADIK but he's right, football is the most popular sports in Angola, and being popular doesn't even necessarily mean that they will be as good as their neighboring countries in football, and also using the same logic outside of the old Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, Spain is one of the winningest European country in world cup and in Euros while basketball not being the most popular sports in the country, in short it's the talent level and system make a country successful in sport not the popularity of a particular sport in a country

Overall, only 8 countries (2 of them are debatable) who put basketball as their number 1 sport, namely Lithuania, Philippines, China, Bahamas, Lebanon, Marshall Islands while 2 debatable are Estonia and South Sudan.... Meanwhile football had more than 150 countries putting the sport as their number 1 sport... Here in South East Asia, 10 out of 11 countries who are football mad countries, only Philippines is the outliner... If you saw some football pages in every social media, fans from Indonesia, Vietnam or Malaysia have more knowledge about our Azkals team than Filipinos itself.. more comments from them in every football pages than Filipinos...

 

[ja.he2]

most of them are products of Australian Basketball. 2 of their best players are American. Luol Deng has NBA written all over him. Their coach was an NBA vet. add to that their genetics. They all played high-level organized basketball leading up to this moment. Levels better than the PBA. They're just built for the game.

Meanwhile Philippine basketball cluelessly tries to piece the puzzle together every FIBA cycle. We just don't know where to get our players because for years our local players aren't good enough, we don't know how to properly develop them and what system we're gonna run. Because by default, Filipinos aren't really made for basketball. We just love it for unknown reasons. We're short, unathletic, and politically chaotic that everybody has their own theory on how to come up with the best Filipino basketball team.

SSD knows what direction its gonna take from the very start, but yeah, I said a lot of things but genetics and brains are the main reason why they're there.

The basic misconception in forming of a national team and how FIBA sees the game. Forming a national team is not limited to specific ethinicity or race. Rather, it covers those that undergo to someone's program. FIBA sees the game more as a battle of country-federation's program than a race/ethinicity one.

If we follow that logic of race/ethnicity/genetics, then Canada, France and Australia may not be able to form the best team since their countries are white majority.​​​

 

[ja.he2]

Based on my national federation or program approach, our national team in basketball should be like this:

- Naturalized player;
- Localized players (young foreigners that trained and learned basketball in the Philippines);
- Fil-Foreigners (those that secured PH passport before 16 or those exempted by FIBA);
- Homegrowns

These are the reasons why:

- Having a naturalized player is legal under FIBA rules. Besides, this is just limited to one slot;

- Young foreigners, FSA for instance, came here to study and earn a diploma, they reside here and they learn basketball here.

- Fil-Foreigners may not learn basketball first in the Philippines but they are part of the federation's talent identification program. They are identified, secured national team commitment and let them hone their skills abroad.

- Homegrowns since they are well, by default, Filipinos. The presumption is that they have more access to the program.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

they need to replace Hawkinson to take it to the next level.

I think the reason Japan only hire naturalized who only plays for their domestic league (B league) due to availability.. Japan can hire NBA talent naturalized players but availability is also the question mark for players who are NBA based... Same reason why Tim cone picked Brownlee over much touted Clarkson because of familiarity and availability.. Japan having hard time choosing naturalized players because most of imports playing in B league are adjusting to the system of most of B league teams who are playing within the system... So, those imports limiting their ability to take over because they have to adjust to play within a system.. take example is Jonathan Williams, he is PBA's current best import last season, but when he played in B league, he look like ordinary baller because he has to play within the system, even he can takeover.. Although he's not played in B league but same scenario, RHJ played in Korea and he's not effective there, when he played here, he gained momentum, become a PBA champion and best import awardee, thus, Jordan picked him as naturalized player then become integral piece of Jordan national team..

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

NBA is still prepping them: dieng, coulibaly, cissoko, Fischer, salaun, and dadiet. Traore will be drafted in 1 to 2 years time as well.

I problem made a wrong spelling or 2 there.

I think this is the last national team duties for Batum, De Colo and Fournier.. they are too old to compete against younger generations.. plus France need to integrate their younger guys too... France need to rebuild after Olympics and build around Wemby

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Based on my national federation or program approach, our national team in basketball should be like this:

- Naturalized player;
- Localized players (young foreigners that trained and learned basketball in the Philippines);
- Fil-Foreigners (those that secured PH passport before 16 or those exempted by FIBA);
- Homegrowns

Not just on basketball but in other team sports too... Our volleyball team Alas, both men and women already embrace Fil-foreign players to upgrade the team.. our homegrown players are good, but we have to choose some best talents from all over the world who had Filipino blood to be more competitive against international teams...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

That is also the same for the rest of the world.. where is Embiid came from? Even most of Gilas players are born overseas.. The bottomline here is despite they are one of the poorest countries in the world, they have solid basketball program that most of develop countries such as China, Korea, Philippines, etc... still struggling to be competitive worldwide, they have facilities, earning millions w/o leaving overseas and have basketball culture...[/

please listen to yourself Rob and try to think outside the box. How many SSD players, current, are based in their own country? Probably 1 or 2 ? And they are being helped developed by NBA Africa. Most of their players are from Canada, Oz and the USA where they have good basketball programs. They just need to familiarize themselves together and Woalah.
How many overseas players does Gilas Have? Less than half of the team. Isnt it? Can you compare the Philippine ball program with these countries? We are miles behind them.

It's no secret that every country's national team federations have to bring their best talents either US or Europe to be trained and be better basketball athletes.. it just South Sudan ballers are gifted with height, length and athleticism to be recruited by either US, Europe or Australia to be trained and play for their domestic leagues... Puerto Rico doing the same, w/ most of their players are US trained, even France, Japan, Serbia, etc... bringing their best talents overseas to be better players... Our best players in Gilas are US trained too.. Ramos, Kai, Brownlee, Edu are US trained ballers..

 

[C2Hamm2]

I think this is the last national team duties for Batum, De Colo and Fournier.. they are too old to compete against younger generations.. plus France need to integrate their younger guys too... France need to rebuild after Olympics and build around Wemby

thats exactly what they are doing. the young ones arent physically ready and doesnt have enough experience to play at that level yet. but by next Olympics after Paris, they will be much better than the team France will have at this years Olympics. Wemby is the main man sure, but all eyes will be on Nolan Traore. if he is even half the point guard that Parker was then France could be number 2 behind the USA. Serbia and Germany have great teams now but noone is on the horizon to replace or even ably backup their stars who will be up there with age when the next olympics come around.

Canada is always talented and has young players who can takeover, I just dont know why they cant find their groove at FIBA games. AU always a dark horse but I dont see any 1 or 2 players that can get them over the hump. we should have a new coach as well after the Olympics.

 

[ARMIR2]

Serbia def Japan 119 - 100

Yuta Watanabe said in the post-match interview, ``I think we felt good as a team today, and we played a better game than we've ever scored. From now on, we will work as a team to eliminate small mistakes,'' he said.​

Japan should also stop putting midgets on guys like Jokic,they need to get rid of their midget guards,they're a liability on defense.

 

[C2Hamm2]

Japan should also stop putting midgets on guys like Jokic,they need to get rid of their midget guards,they're a liability on defense.

who do you want to put there? are they better than whoever is in the current roster?

 

[TheRodster212]

thats exactly what they are doing. the young ones arent physically ready and doesnt have enough experience to play at that level yet. but by next Olympics after Paris, they will be much better than the team France will have at this years Olympics. Wemby is the main man sure, but all eyes will be on Nolan Traore. if he is even half the point guard that Parker was then France could be number 2 behind the USA. Serbia and Germany have great teams now but noone is on the horizon to replace or even ably backup their stars who will be up there with age when the next olympics come around.

Canada is always talented and has young players who can takeover, I just dont know why they cant find their groove at FIBA games. AU always a dark horse but I dont see any 1 or 2 players that can get them over the hump. we should have a new coach as well after the Olympics.

Canada has good guards and wings but the big men have been lacking compared to top teams. Also changing coaches and lack of a cohesive program and commitment from NBA players in the past has made it tough. Last few years though has changed with commitment and continuity. Still need quality bigs