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2024 Paris Olympics Basketball | IBN PH Discussion Thread

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paolylo said:
It's not that hard. The "World Championship" is technically the FIBA World Cup in the context of what Lyles was alluding to. There are huge differences determining champions in individual sports as opposed to team sports:

The problem is his sports' World Championships happens every 2 years (except in 2021 because of the pandemic) instead of 4 and in between those odd numbered years is the Olympics so there's a major competition for three straight years with the Olympics sandwiched between the IAAF World Championships before taking a year off where there's still high-level meets all-year round like the Diamond League and the Continental Tour plus other quadrennial and biennial medal events like the Asian Games and the SEA Games. You can't have that in basketball primarily because schedules will never be consolidated if you have that every year, that's why FIFA and its continental minions in world football are corrupt because they find ways to make more competitions for broadcasting revenue.

Unlike the NBA, the best track/field atheltes aren't always in the Diamond League because each athlete has a different schedule depending on how many other events they prioritize (this was where Obiena and that corrupt fucker Ella Juico had problems because it costs money to train and send athletes for high level events). In that sport, one qualifies by just setting the fastest times or throwing/jumping the farthest/highest marks. In team sports, it's beat the other team and have the better W-L record during those international breaks/qualifying windows. Swimming actually tried a compromise between the two with an International Swimming League but the war in Russia + pandemic shut that down.
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FIFA might be corrupt organization, but they are the best organization of all sport federations.. they are the only sport federation that can't dictate by IOC.. FIFA knew that all of revenue getting by helding football events in Olympics will all get by IOC.. long before ago, the Olympic football is the biggest competition for football.. but since 1992, FIFA introduced under 23 category for Olympic football events to more focus on their world cup and it was successful until now.. biggest football stars such as Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe not priorities Olympics for their international careers.. FIBA is dreaming of that.. but until now players are picking Olympics rather than the world cup, unless you are Luka doncic that always love to play for his country... This year is the most star-studded international competition of all time... There are rumors before that FIBA trying to do that w/ the help of some NBA personnels such as Mark Cuban that put Olympics under 23 but it didn't materialized.. even other sports such as volleyball, handball, rugby, etc.. the biggest event is Olympics than their world cups... I think only football and Tennis is the only sports that Olympic events are less prestige compare to their own tournaments... But if FIBA wants their world cup to be more popular than Olympics, they have to put Olympic basketball as under 23 event.. I think this is the best chance to do it since the competition is more intense than before, the popularity of the sport as general and it will benefit for the players because they will just focus on one major world tournament.. I know FIBA wants to introduce it, maybe not now, but don't be shock if they will do that too, maybe 10 to 15 years from now..
 
For me, there is only one team that has a clear shot at beating the US - it's France. Yes, the French team struggled against Serbia but the former has personnel to force the Americans to settle for outside shots - Wemby and Gobert.
 
ja.he said:
For me, there is only one team that has a clear shot at beating the US - it's France. Yes, the French team struggled against Serbia but the former has personnel to force the Americans to settle for outside shots - Wemby and Gobert.
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Aside from France, I think Germany have a shot too.. they have the same vibes of 2004 Argentina team who win the gold... Their chemistry is top notch and can play within mix of Euro and American style of play and they have versatile players that can match against the LeBron, KD, Edwards, etc.. plus they have a real leader in Schroder.. he's like 2004 Ginobili while Theis is their Scola.. the reason why Serbia can't beat USA because they can't match the athleticism of US (they are the Spain of 2010s) while Canada is like the mini USA w/o a big man... If Canada have a big man to match against Davis or Bam, they have a shot too... The reason also why it's harder to beat teams in America's than in Europe (for Asian standpoint) because their athleticism is too much for any Asian teams...
 
none of these teams can match the depth of USA, the strength of USA this tournament lies on their depth, plus the difference between the Olympic team and the world cup team is defense, the composition of the current team has players that can play defense especially the 2nd unit, Canada has the talent the hang with USA but don't have the depth
 
ja.he said:
For me, there is only one team that has a clear shot at beating the US - it's France. Yes, the French team struggled against Serbia but the former has personnel to force the Americans to settle for outside shots - Wemby and Gobert.
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Crazy that on paper there are about 9 players on that USA team better than Wemby and Gobert. However it will be a funny sight to see if Wemby toys with these Americans in the Olympics. we can finally say the future has arrived. It's either that or they neutralize Wemby.
 
paolylo said:
It's not that hard. The "World Championship" is technically the FIBA World Cup in the context of what Lyles was alluding to. There are huge differences determining champions in individual sports as opposed to team sports:

The problem is his sports' World Championships happens every 2 years (except in 2021 because of the pandemic) instead of 4 and in between those odd numbered years is the Olympics so there's a major competition for three straight years with the Olympics sandwiched between the IAAF World Championships before taking a year off where there's still high-level meets all-year round like the Diamond League and the Continental Tour plus other quadrennial and biennial medal events like the Asian Games and the SEA Games. You can't have that in basketball primarily because schedules will never be consolidated if you have that every year, that's why FIFA and its continental minions in world football are corrupt because they find ways to make more competitions for broadcasting revenue.

Unlike the NBA, the best track/field atheltes aren't always in the Diamond League because each athlete has a different schedule depending on how many other events they prioritize (this was where Obiena and that corrupt fucker Ella Juico had problems because it costs money to train and send athletes for high level events). In that sport, one qualifies by just setting the fastest times or throwing/jumping the farthest/highest marks. In team sports, it's beat the other team and have the better W-L record during those international breaks/qualifying windows. Swimming actually tried a compromise between the two with an International Swimming League but the war in Russia + pandemic shut that down.
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there's no real way to settle who the real World Champs are in club setting but the best of the best plays there. NBA is traditionally the most prestigious league in the world for obvious reasons. Being the best team in the best league in the world gives them the right to call them 'World Champions' but totally unnecessary because we all know NBA is the best there is.

unlike the PBA, KBL, Bleague and CBA... there's a way to settle who the real East Asian champs are through EASL like how they do it in the Euroleague. Like FIBA Asia, I hope they include NBL teams in the EASL.

BCL Asia is comparable to the EuroCup. (or maybe i'm wrong because Al Riyadi Lebanon will smoke any EASL team)

Everybody else is just playing for 2nd, 3rd, 4th best in the World.

however in national team setting, it's different. IMO World Cup Champs and Olympic Champs are two equally prestigious distinctions, but the Olympics must be held to a higher regard because the weaker teams are filtered out. It's the pinnacle for athletes, maybe except for football and boxing
 
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paliganibossalfrancis said:
Crazy that on paper there are about 9 players on that USA team better than Wemby and Gobert. However it will be a funny sight to see if Wemby toys with these Americans in the Olympics. we can finally say the future has arrived. It's either that or they neutralize Wemby.
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US guards will probably eliminate French backcourt. Wemby can't win the game on his own.
 
greenarcher said:
US guards will probably eliminate French backcourt. Wemby can't win the game on his own.
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Not saying France will beat US. However, I see France milking the frontcourt of Wemby and Gobert to cancel the attacks of the US to the rim. I agree,though, that this US team is really deep. I think France-US game will be a fun game to watch come Olympic time.
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Daniel Theiss preventing this game to be a 30 point blowout, i expect more from the "best team in Asia"
 
just a tuneup but i expect the best team in Asia with legit nba players to make the game close, Tominaga played like a "legit NBA player" against some euroleague players
 
why Wemby didn't toy with the Canadians or even with the Serbian, or he will only toy with the Americans?
 
Reality bites for Japan as they lost 21 against Germany. The Germans actually led as high as 38 points. They were just taking it easy come 4th quarter.
 
ja.he said:
Reality bites for Japan as they lost 21 against Germany. The Germans actually led as high as 38 points. They were just taking it easy come 4th quarter.
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I'm curious how Germany can do against mighty USA team...
 
JOI2dWorld said:
just a tuneup but i expect the best team in Asia with legit nba players to make the game close, Tominaga played like a "legit NBA player" against some euroleague players
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Tominaga was struggled against Germany... He can't shoot against taller German players, who are also versatile
 
JOI2dWorld said:
just a tuneup but i expect the best team in Asia with legit nba players to make the game close, Tominaga played like a "legit NBA player" against some euroleague players
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We like to bash our PHL team yet we haven't loss to world level competition by more than 20 pts since 2014 except 2019.
 
2019 was really an aberration. 2014, 2015, 2016, 2023, 2024, Philippines has not lost to world level teams by more than 15 points
 
deku_midoriya said:
2019 was really an aberration. 2014, 2015, 2016, 2023, 2024, Philippines has not lost to world level teams by more than 15 points
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zairex said:
We like to bash our PHL team yet we haven't loss to world level competition by more than 20 pts since 2014 except 2019.
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But within those years, the most convincing games were from Tim Cone. I mean the games in 2014, 2016 and 2023 were close matches you have the feeling were not going to win them and that includes the team of Tab in 2016. In our 2024 team, you have the confidence that we are going to beat both Latvia and Georgia. Yes, we lost to Georgia and I am not a fan of moral victories. However, we can surely win that game but Tim did not force it because we are already heading into the semis so no need.

I don't think it's recency bias but the difference between our close games in 2014, 2016, 2023 and 2024 is that, in 2024, you have the feeling of confidence - something that was lacking in our previous games. I was a doubter of Tim but the way we played in the OQT changes my view about the prospect of him being our national team coach.
 
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