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If we play against Puerto Rico Alvarado will have feast on us. Lukas is too small to guard him. Jokubaitis and Dimsa are both to slow for him.
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He was scoreless against Bahrain though. Streaky guy offensively as all Puerto Rico team.
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After watching replay of Puerturcio vs Italy
Puerturico have real home advantage. In neutral arena Italy would have won that game
What i saw from lithuanian team it will be very very difficult to win back to back games vs mobile,fast and unpredictable emotional teams like italy + puerturico
Thats 4 querter lineup when we downs -9 shown what players is most ready to win and in best shape now. So i expect coaching staff will give them more minutes and cut rotation to 9 players in elimination games.
Defensively we can just hope neither of 2 opponnets will have very good shooting games. Because Italy and Puerturico will get good looks vs our defence.Just too many individual holes and too many miscomunications.
If NT gonna win it will be because Grigonis and Sabonis pikenrool was key that open everything else offensively.
Puerturico have real home advantage. In neutral arena Italy would have won that game
What i saw from lithuanian team it will be very very difficult to win back to back games vs mobile,fast and unpredictable emotional teams like italy + puerturico
Thats 4 querter lineup when we downs -9 shown what players is most ready to win and in best shape now. So i expect coaching staff will give them more minutes and cut rotation to 9 players in elimination games.
Defensively we can just hope neither of 2 opponnets will have very good shooting games. Because Italy and Puerturico will get good looks vs our defence.Just too many individual holes and too many miscomunications.
If NT gonna win it will be because Grigonis and Sabonis pikenrool was key that open everything else offensively.
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I didn't know what kind of home support Puerto-Rico has, but turned out it's great. Overall, I'm quite skeptical towards our chances to qualify. Anyway, first it's Italy.
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I don't see it. I would be almost choked if we do not take those 2 wins. We already survived the toughest game. IC provided extreme defensive presense through all the game, there's literally no way Italy or PR can unleash that. Simply impossible, both don't have the same athleticism, motor and capabilities. Merely offensive teams. Luthuania is bigger, tougher, more athletic, way better rebounding team, better scoring team, more consistent, and actually way more talented than both Italy and PR. Our struggle has a lot to do with the lack of proper practices and some players being a bit shaky now. But if we survived such a ridiculous 4th quarter against IC, I think we already had that crappy game in this tournament. I mean all these elbows offensively and giving opponents easy points and additional possessions several time and IC nailing some tough shots, and we still survived. I doubt Italy or PR can provide something extra. They need some super dooper shooting nights to even seriously challenge Lithuania cause I think we will play better than we played in first 2 games, that resting day will also be super beneficial for us since we are physically way superior than opposition, and we have tons of reserves, players like Jokubaitis, Sirvydis, Kuzminskas or even Sedas who was bleak in the second game.
The only scenario that Italy is winning, is some crazy shooting night. Like Galo drops 30, pulling off his inner Galanda, and Mannion some 20. But Italy is super streaky shooting team and overall I can see us dropping +100 on them. There's no way they are stopping us in any way defensively. PR has more dangerous guards and and local crowd, but again Lithuania by all means is more talented, bigger, more consistent, stronger.
The defeat in this qualies would be funny outcome. We survived that shitty situation game, now I expect rather strong wins. Not margin wise necessary, but performance wise.
The only scenario that Italy is winning, is some crazy shooting night. Like Galo drops 30, pulling off his inner Galanda, and Mannion some 20. But Italy is super streaky shooting team and overall I can see us dropping +100 on them. There's no way they are stopping us in any way defensively. PR has more dangerous guards and and local crowd, but again Lithuania by all means is more talented, bigger, more consistent, stronger.
The defeat in this qualies would be funny outcome. We survived that shitty situation game, now I expect rather strong wins. Not margin wise necessary, but performance wise.
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I hope you're right.
What's also occurred to me is that Mexico does have a fair chance against Puerto Rico. Basketball is all about matchups so Mexico can't automatically be written out of the equation.
What's also occurred to me is that Mexico does have a fair chance against Puerto Rico. Basketball is all about matchups so Mexico can't automatically be written out of the equation.
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Brazil 71 Phillipines 60
I really wish that the Philippines had pulled off an upset. I'm still really annoyed about Brazil laying down against Cameroon thus knocking Montenegro out of the tournament.
I really wish that the Philippines had pulled off an upset. I'm still really annoyed about Brazil laying down against Cameroon thus knocking Montenegro out of the tournament.
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What the hell is Grigonis doing? Give a ball to Jokubaitis.
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Well, a win is a win. Italy as expected wasn't our level opponent, but overall Lithuania didn't execute as a team again. Grigonis unleashed inner Macijauskas a little bit, but I hate his ball hogging and tunnel vision. I didn't understand why we don't feed Sabonis. Like literally just post him up and he will be double teamed every single time, meaning you instantly have an open shot knowing Domas passing ability. Why we don't do it is beyond me. Instead Grigonis kneading the ball and taking wild shots. Luckily they are falling in this tournament, but this is not serious basketball. For this qualies this should be enough, but we would be trash with this in Olympics. Maskvytis is way overdoing emphasizing Grigonis and leaving aside Jokubaitis as off ball player. This is insanity. Maybe he just see that Jokubaitis is not ready, but he creates such situations like easy points off pick roll and that Tubelis dunk and so on. The fact that we don't see Sabonis rolling at all in this tournament and punishing opponents with his brute strength is insanity. I mean play some fucking pick and roll here and there in while seriously 
I can't trust Maksvytis when he does create such game plan. Just feed Sabonis deep, play pick and roll, allow Jokubaitis to facilitate, give Ulanovas the ball in high post, that's the best facilitators on the team. Watching Grigonis playing hero ball makes me feel like we are second rate team without fundamentals. Off course the team is too big, too athletic and talented not to overcome this super thin, soft and talentless Italy, but the game is bad. I only liked how we played in and out BB against IC. Sabonis was getting the ball inside where he's basically unstoppable. IDK, it's not the game that I want to see. It's not only about winning qualification. It's about building habits that would help to be competitive in Olympics. If Grigonis will play this silly "I shoot whatever the fuck shot" basketball as our identity we will be complete trash in Olympics. But hopefully Jokubaitis and Sabonis will tune up and we'll start to play much more dangerous and more diverse basketball. We still yet never run at the highest pace. It will be the case when some-one as Jokubaitis who can truly run the team as point guard will play his A game and all players will be involved (specially Domas inside), but also tons of cutters and shooters who get now constantly overlooked and we see Grigonis successfully (for now) chucking.
Off course, Sirvydis (more like mentality), Jokubaitis and Sabonis shapes are disappointing. I also expected a bit more from Sedekerskis.
If all pieces will tune up at the right time and JV will give quality 15 minutes off the bench we could look very well. But first we need to win against PR which shouldn't be a problem, IMO.
I only want to see Sabonis, Jokubaitis and primarily as a shooter Grigonis playing their A basketball. That would make as dangerous against anyone. Now when Sabonis and Jokubaitis are not even close to their +B game, it's different story. But Maksvytis can't use Jokubaitis as an off ball piece
This is crazy.
I can't trust Maksvytis when he does create such game plan. Just feed Sabonis deep, play pick and roll, allow Jokubaitis to facilitate, give Ulanovas the ball in high post, that's the best facilitators on the team. Watching Grigonis playing hero ball makes me feel like we are second rate team without fundamentals. Off course the team is too big, too athletic and talented not to overcome this super thin, soft and talentless Italy, but the game is bad. I only liked how we played in and out BB against IC. Sabonis was getting the ball inside where he's basically unstoppable. IDK, it's not the game that I want to see. It's not only about winning qualification. It's about building habits that would help to be competitive in Olympics. If Grigonis will play this silly "I shoot whatever the fuck shot" basketball as our identity we will be complete trash in Olympics. But hopefully Jokubaitis and Sabonis will tune up and we'll start to play much more dangerous and more diverse basketball. We still yet never run at the highest pace. It will be the case when some-one as Jokubaitis who can truly run the team as point guard will play his A game and all players will be involved (specially Domas inside), but also tons of cutters and shooters who get now constantly overlooked and we see Grigonis successfully (for now) chucking.Off course, Sirvydis (more like mentality), Jokubaitis and Sabonis shapes are disappointing. I also expected a bit more from Sedekerskis.
If all pieces will tune up at the right time and JV will give quality 15 minutes off the bench we could look very well. But first we need to win against PR which shouldn't be a problem, IMO.
I only want to see Sabonis, Jokubaitis and primarily as a shooter Grigonis playing their A basketball. That would make as dangerous against anyone. Now when Sabonis and Jokubaitis are not even close to their +B game, it's different story. But Maksvytis can't use Jokubaitis as an off ball piece
This is crazy.
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Well, that's not true. Not this Sabonis. Today once Sabonis' shot didn't even touch the rim when was inside against Italian big.
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If JV comes, it's Sabonis who will come off the bench for 15 min. At least, this Sabonis.
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grigonis slander after he scored 23 points on 12 shots is insanity. he mostly shot only when he was open or took last second shots in broken possesssions. giving the ball to jokubaitis who forgot how to play basketball is not a good alternative.
sabonis is not a better fiba player than valanciunas. valanciunas is a much better pick n roll, post player and a better shooter on top of that. even defensively they are much closer to each other than people think, sabonis is playing drop defense because he cant stay in front of anyone this tournament and that's supposed to be his biggest advantage over JV. it also seems like sabonis struggles to utilize his playmaking on a smaller fiba court compared to the nba one, obviously he's not the only one to blame but his passes very often end up turning into turnovers, to use sabonis to his full potential you need a specific system and higher level guards/shooters than what lithuania currently has to offer while valanciunas is very easy to make useful.
i really hope sabonis is either not in a good shape or that leg injury is bothering him a lot because there is no other excuse for him missing 3-4 easy layups/put backs every game
sabonis is not a better fiba player than valanciunas. valanciunas is a much better pick n roll, post player and a better shooter on top of that. even defensively they are much closer to each other than people think, sabonis is playing drop defense because he cant stay in front of anyone this tournament and that's supposed to be his biggest advantage over JV. it also seems like sabonis struggles to utilize his playmaking on a smaller fiba court compared to the nba one, obviously he's not the only one to blame but his passes very often end up turning into turnovers, to use sabonis to his full potential you need a specific system and higher level guards/shooters than what lithuania currently has to offer while valanciunas is very easy to make useful.
i really hope sabonis is either not in a good shape or that leg injury is bothering him a lot because there is no other excuse for him missing 3-4 easy layups/put backs every game
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Marius Grigonis was fabulous today! It was his shooting and Lithuania's rebounding that enabled Lithuania to cruise to the victory today.
Oh come on! You've been railing against simply feeding Jonas Valančiūnas down low for years and now you want to employ the same strategy just because it's Domantas Sabonis in the low post? But it's Jonas Valančiūnas who's much more of a brute and unstoppable bully boy in the paint.
But you answer your own questions! Domantas Sabonis has been good but he's still having trouble bringing his superlative NBA game to FIBA. And Rokas Jokubaitis is certainly not the star he's been talked up to be. He's been adequate, but not excellent.
Precisely. Yet you continue to beg that the team play through your favourites. I don't care who the leaders are or how pretty/athletic the team looks on the floor. A Win is a Win.
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Grigonis is just fantastic in this tournament.Clear alpha leader
Finaly NT have perimeter player that scoring 20pts+ in multiple games and we can see how much everything become easier for others when team have such level scorer.
Ulanovas,Arnas,Sedekerskis is very good at doing their all around two way things in this tournament, love what their are bringing.
Sabonis have no more excuses, being at total peak and look so average for nba all star in FIBA it's not good look.Still if he will show up in final and help win ticket all will be forgotten
Kuz 14 Pts in limited time that's what head coach needs from experience veteran.Calm and smart play
Lukas playing his best tournament.We can't ask more from him.
It's was very good team effort, everybody brought something and NT easily beat good team with very little Sabonis impact.
I don't believe Sabonis will play back to back so meh 2 games
One more win boys !
Finaly NT have perimeter player that scoring 20pts+ in multiple games and we can see how much everything become easier for others when team have such level scorer.
Ulanovas,Arnas,Sedekerskis is very good at doing their all around two way things in this tournament, love what their are bringing.
Sabonis have no more excuses, being at total peak and look so average for nba all star in FIBA it's not good look.Still if he will show up in final and help win ticket all will be forgotten
Kuz 14 Pts in limited time that's what head coach needs from experience veteran.Calm and smart play
Lukas playing his best tournament.We can't ask more from him.
It's was very good team effort, everybody brought something and NT easily beat good team with very little Sabonis impact.
I don't believe Sabonis will play back to back so meh 2 games
One more win boys !
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Lithuanian community (and fans) as usual very short sighted. Not to take anything from Grigonis so far who is dropping +20 with good %, the problem is that merely a shooter is our best player and No.1 option. So far the ball was dropping impressively, but what will be when it won't? Then people will ask, were is our point guards, why Sabonis is not creating and not scoring, why Ulanovas creation is not used. Grigonis is tunnel vision, ballhogging player who shoots amazingly so far. Put away that amazing shooting part and he's complete trash. And we are building our game on this. He can't create. He was completely tunnel vision guy in 2 of 3 games. Only against IC he was creating some for others as well. So far he doesn't make anyone better, actually I'm surprised how ballhgging he is and how much seconds he waste in possessions meaninglessly kneading the ball.
Once the shots won't drop, hopefully not in this qualification, we'll be in trouble cause our main PG is playing without the ball mainly, and Sabonis doesn't get the ball where he should get and our main focus is to give Grigonis his shots. That's extremely unstable system. I would never base my game on one dimensional shooter who gets stopped by first elite big strong NT, as it happened in with France 2019, Slovenia 2021, Spain 2022. We are very lucky that Grigonis delivered against IC, it's a great success, but the only way our NT can grow is the growth of Jokubaitis and Sabonis roles. Now that I see Jokubaitis is playing even less important role than he did in 2022 or the same basically. we are not growing as NT. And Sabonis also doesn't bring is A game. With that we are fucked in Olympics. There's no upside. We would get rediculed by first serious team in Olympics if Grigonis kneading the ball as our No.1 option in perimeter and shooting threes (like he chucked up Lithuania to the loss against Slovenia in 2021 and we missed the Olympics for the first time). Grigonis will be stopped. He's scoring now against second tier teams. And I actually more pessimistic now after such game not seeing Lithuania playing as a team to the full extent. Only fundamentally sound ball movement, creation. facilitation and involvement of all can assure that and we can go even +100 points if that happens, but now I see Grigonis at the center of everything, the who barely can creating anything for others. And when his shots won't fall, we'll look like super limited team cause Maksvytis doesn't even give the ball to those who can create and play fundamentally sound baskebtall.
Where's pick roll? Where we find cutters? Where guys who can really pass? We just hand offing shit to Grigonis and see him shoot That's how we gonna rock the Olympics stage? We barely will pass PR with that. That's not serious basketball I mean the guy barely stood up from the bench of PAO in the playoffs and he was all season long merely a shooter and now we base the whole game on that piece? Ridiculous. If our success is based on whenever Grigonis will make his threes or not, we are second rate third world basketball team.
So far I'm disappointed cause I don't see what would we even do in Olympics with such game plan. If Jokubaitis is not running this team as pure point guard and Sabonis not creating, and Ulanovas is not creating, our offense will be super one dimensional. Again, Grigonis will knead the ball and will take some wild shots. Wasn't like wild shots going in last night for him? Some of them were completely wild. Funny shots. I don't want LTU NT playing this silly basketball. Like Maskvytis decided that we are OK going without a guy who can create and just gives everything into the hands of one dimensional shooter. I mean when Kleiza was scoring 20ppg in 2010 WC, there was Kalnietis with the ball all the time who had three/five decision option with the ball in his hands. Now we see Grigonis kneading the ball and jacking off threes and everyone clapping hands how brilliantly everything is working out for us
Nah, dudes...with that basketball we would be complete trash in Olympics.
Once the shots won't drop, hopefully not in this qualification, we'll be in trouble cause our main PG is playing without the ball mainly, and Sabonis doesn't get the ball where he should get and our main focus is to give Grigonis his shots. That's extremely unstable system. I would never base my game on one dimensional shooter who gets stopped by first elite big strong NT, as it happened in with France 2019, Slovenia 2021, Spain 2022. We are very lucky that Grigonis delivered against IC, it's a great success, but the only way our NT can grow is the growth of Jokubaitis and Sabonis roles. Now that I see Jokubaitis is playing even less important role than he did in 2022 or the same basically. we are not growing as NT. And Sabonis also doesn't bring is A game. With that we are fucked in Olympics. There's no upside. We would get rediculed by first serious team in Olympics if Grigonis kneading the ball as our No.1 option in perimeter and shooting threes (like he chucked up Lithuania to the loss against Slovenia in 2021 and we missed the Olympics for the first time). Grigonis will be stopped. He's scoring now against second tier teams. And I actually more pessimistic now after such game not seeing Lithuania playing as a team to the full extent. Only fundamentally sound ball movement, creation. facilitation and involvement of all can assure that and we can go even +100 points if that happens, but now I see Grigonis at the center of everything, the who barely can creating anything for others. And when his shots won't fall, we'll look like super limited team cause Maksvytis doesn't even give the ball to those who can create and play fundamentally sound baskebtall.
Where's pick roll? Where we find cutters? Where guys who can really pass? We just hand offing shit to Grigonis and see him shoot
That's how we gonna rock the Olympics stage? We barely will pass PR with that. That's not serious basketball I mean the guy barely stood up from the bench of PAO in the playoffs and he was all season long merely a shooter and now we base the whole game on that piece? Ridiculous. If our success is based on whenever Grigonis will make his threes or not, we are second rate third world basketball team.So far I'm disappointed cause I don't see what would we even do in Olympics with such game plan. If Jokubaitis is not running this team as pure point guard and Sabonis not creating, and Ulanovas is not creating, our offense will be super one dimensional. Again, Grigonis will knead the ball and will take some wild shots. Wasn't like wild shots going in last night for him? Some of them were completely wild. Funny shots. I don't want LTU NT playing this silly basketball. Like Maskvytis decided that we are OK going without a guy who can create and just gives everything into the hands of one dimensional shooter. I mean when Kleiza was scoring 20ppg in 2010 WC, there was Kalnietis with the ball all the time who had three/five decision option with the ball in his hands. Now we see Grigonis kneading the ball and jacking off threes and everyone clapping hands how brilliantly everything is working out for us
Nah, dudes...with that basketball we would be complete trash in Olympics.
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And even that was still more than Jokubaitis did. LOL.
Jokubaitis' performance has been disappointing so far so your ass is simply burning. You started to blame everyone (Maksvytis, Grigonis), but not Rokas himself. Like his bad shape has nothing to do with decreased role or whatever. Like his "great" season has nothing to do with that. Since when coaches started to decrease a role of a good pg?
It turns out, we will even barely pass PR like you didn't write 2 days that you don't see it happening. Are you on your period or what?
In true you don't care about a team, but only about players you like.
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dinosour expert is losing his mind and just lives in his own made fantasy world
He blames his beloved players bad performances on everybody else but never on their bad shape and dissapoting performances
His brain cant accept information that Jokubaitis,Sirvydis sucks in this qualification tournament
His brain cant accept Sabonis is same limited version in fiba as near Valanciunas was. Sabonis problem in fiba is not his teammates near him ,problems is he cant make jumper to save his life and scores only from inside.
But searching ways how to erase Grigonis fantastic tournaments is ridiculous as it gets
Grigonis was clearly best perimeter ltu player in 2022, Grigonis is still clearly best perimeter player in 2024.
Grigonis played way better 2023/2024 eurioleague season than Jokubaitis individually and his team was stronger
But still in his crazy mind somehow barcelona backup Jokubaitis should be more important guard than euroleague champion Grigonis at his peak at 30 old age
What i can say delusional fan
He blames his beloved players bad performances on everybody else but never on their bad shape and dissapoting performances
His brain cant accept information that Jokubaitis,Sirvydis sucks in this qualification tournament
His brain cant accept Sabonis is same limited version in fiba as near Valanciunas was. Sabonis problem in fiba is not his teammates near him ,problems is he cant make jumper to save his life and scores only from inside.
But searching ways how to erase Grigonis fantastic tournaments is ridiculous as it gets
Grigonis was clearly best perimeter ltu player in 2022, Grigonis is still clearly best perimeter player in 2024.
Grigonis played way better 2023/2024 eurioleague season than Jokubaitis individually and his team was stronger
But still in his crazy mind somehow barcelona backup Jokubaitis should be more important guard than euroleague champion Grigonis at his peak at 30 old age
What i can say delusional fan
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Both of you DC and SS didn't get my point. If you would sincerely understand and follow my logic, I'm least concerned with fanboys games. NT to me is bigger than any club and any individual player or a bunch of individual players. And that's what separates me from absolute majority of people here like DC has partiality towards Rytas, SS protects some of ex Neptunas dudes like Maksvytis or Nulanovas or Butkevicius and so on. And even such bright posters as Mindozas here previously has his own partiality towards Zalgiris which he wouldn't ever cope with. I have none of that. I simply want to see NT strong and competitive again. You both wrong if you think my post about Grigonis has something to do with being a butthurt about certain players struggles. I care about it only as long as it concerns whole picture, the whole team.
Absolutely Grigonis is still the best LTU perimeter player. But that's bad news. Ask yourself, do you really think we have any chance against Serbia, USA with Grigonis being our best perimeter player and even No.1 option? I'm afraid that alone sounds pretty bad for person who grew up watching Marciulionis, Sabonis, Karnisovas tearing it up. When it will come to real deal games, like opponents I mention, Grigonis won't be a third as good as any of these mentioned. And not only this - he doesn't involve anything.
Why you guys so happy? I mean to me, it's about being competitive with NT. Grigonis is great, OK. But you don't get that if we put Grigonis as No.1 option, we can't run at the highest pace as the team. He only shoots and doesn't make others better. And he ballhogs a lot, and he hesitant with decisions, he doesn't move the ball. If you think with such number one leading guard we can be competitive at the real deal stage, I think it's time to wake up.
It's not about crying as fanboy, it's about stating that as a NT fan, I'm disappointing about the level that I see. Again, if Jokubaitis, Sabonis will play like they did so far (except Sabonis game against IC), we won't have any legitimate claims for anything serious in Olympics. I'm concerned about the level and capabilities of THE TEAM. While you are too concerned with my claims about individual players. Your butts are hurt cause you can't kill your darling. When I say, this game plan won't make us competitive against strong teams, you just getting pissed that I'm not praising Grigonis. Why should I if I see that it's not leading NT where I want it to be? If you want NT be trash go and celebrate Grigonis 20ppg in qualies. If you want to be competitive again and legitimate power as basketball country, you should be concerned cause that's not gonna happen with Grigonis as a lead guard. It's like celebrating that Foster is LKL MVP, winning against depleted and tied and non motivated Zalgiris. But put this Foster and Rytas into the EL context and it would be complete trash. So go celebrate Fosters points.
You guys always one or other way whining as a fanboys and always can't deal with my open and straight forward concerns when it comes to NT matter. When Grigonis will take down Serbia or any other powerhouse, I will obviously claim being wrong, but it's ain't happening. Our best chance is to play fundamentally sound basketball when everyone is involved and guys who being with the ball most of the time can pass and create, not only shoot. We used have Marciulionis as a lead guy in 90s, we used to have Jasikevicius/Siskauskas in 00's, we used to have Kalnietis in 10's and now we have Grigonis. I claim that it's the worst lead guard ever. And that's sad. To me it's not about some-one dropping 20ppg, I want NT winning legit big games again. With Grigonis as a lead guard it's not gonna happen. Live with that. Unless you don't care about winning real deal things. That's another question. I want NT to do that.
It's not about discrediting Grigonis or to cover up Jokubaitis or Sabonis struggle. Latter 2 suck cocks. As simple as that. It's about saying straight forward, the situation is shitty. And most people are like "oh, how nice, we have Grigonis, so good". Nope...The situation is shitty and this team can grow into something legitimate only when tougher, more athletic players and more fundamentally sound players than Grigonis will be leading the NT. If you think Grigonis can lead NT to big things, you are naive as fuck. Very simple guys.
Absolutely Grigonis is still the best LTU perimeter player. But that's bad news. Ask yourself, do you really think we have any chance against Serbia, USA with Grigonis being our best perimeter player and even No.1 option? I'm afraid that alone sounds pretty bad for person who grew up watching Marciulionis, Sabonis, Karnisovas tearing it up. When it will come to real deal games, like opponents I mention, Grigonis won't be a third as good as any of these mentioned. And not only this - he doesn't involve anything.
Why you guys so happy? I mean to me, it's about being competitive with NT. Grigonis is great, OK. But you don't get that if we put Grigonis as No.1 option, we can't run at the highest pace as the team. He only shoots and doesn't make others better. And he ballhogs a lot, and he hesitant with decisions, he doesn't move the ball. If you think with such number one leading guard we can be competitive at the real deal stage, I think it's time to wake up.
It's not about crying as fanboy, it's about stating that as a NT fan, I'm disappointing about the level that I see. Again, if Jokubaitis, Sabonis will play like they did so far (except Sabonis game against IC), we won't have any legitimate claims for anything serious in Olympics. I'm concerned about the level and capabilities of THE TEAM. While you are too concerned with my claims about individual players. Your butts are hurt cause you can't kill your darling. When I say, this game plan won't make us competitive against strong teams, you just getting pissed that I'm not praising Grigonis. Why should I if I see that it's not leading NT where I want it to be? If you want NT be trash go and celebrate Grigonis 20ppg in qualies. If you want to be competitive again and legitimate power as basketball country, you should be concerned cause that's not gonna happen with Grigonis as a lead guard. It's like celebrating that Foster is LKL MVP, winning against depleted and tied and non motivated Zalgiris. But put this Foster and Rytas into the EL context and it would be complete trash. So go celebrate Fosters points.
You guys always one or other way whining as a fanboys and always can't deal with my open and straight forward concerns when it comes to NT matter. When Grigonis will take down Serbia or any other powerhouse, I will obviously claim being wrong, but it's ain't happening. Our best chance is to play fundamentally sound basketball when everyone is involved and guys who being with the ball most of the time can pass and create, not only shoot. We used have Marciulionis as a lead guy in 90s, we used to have Jasikevicius/Siskauskas in 00's, we used to have Kalnietis in 10's and now we have Grigonis. I claim that it's the worst lead guard ever. And that's sad. To me it's not about some-one dropping 20ppg, I want NT winning legit big games again. With Grigonis as a lead guard it's not gonna happen. Live with that. Unless you don't care about winning real deal things. That's another question. I want NT to do that.
It's not about discrediting Grigonis or to cover up Jokubaitis or Sabonis struggle. Latter 2 suck cocks. As simple as that. It's about saying straight forward, the situation is shitty. And most people are like "oh, how nice, we have Grigonis, so good". Nope...The situation is shitty and this team can grow into something legitimate only when tougher, more athletic players and more fundamentally sound players than Grigonis will be leading the NT. If you think Grigonis can lead NT to big things, you are naive as fuck. Very simple guys.
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Who says that Grigonis as a main guy will lead to huge wins against elite teams? No one. I would like to see Doncic as a pg and a main player of NT, but there is struggling Jokubaitis instead.
Your main problem/mistake here is that you think that it was a bad idea (Maksvytis' idea probably) to put Grigonis a main guy in the team/game. But it's wrong. It's natural process. Since Jokubaitis sucks, it's natural that Grigonis is more on the scene and Rokas is less simply because Grigonis is still a better player and he came after a clearly better season. It's funny that for you it's an argument that Grigonis barely played in EL play offs, but it's not a matter for you that Jokubaitis barely played the whole season. So how you are not biased?
If you admit that Jokubaitis and Sabonis has sucked so far, so how it's not them who are first of all responsible for that? They are professionals. There may be some other issues but first of all it's about them themselves.
About your comments regarding Foster I'm speechless. It's more than stupid. I would only indicate that it's wrong that Zalgiris was non-motivated. Bullshit. Like many things from you from time to time.
Your main problem/mistake here is that you think that it was a bad idea (Maksvytis' idea probably) to put Grigonis a main guy in the team/game. But it's wrong. It's natural process. Since Jokubaitis sucks, it's natural that Grigonis is more on the scene and Rokas is less simply because Grigonis is still a better player and he came after a clearly better season. It's funny that for you it's an argument that Grigonis barely played in EL play offs, but it's not a matter for you that Jokubaitis barely played the whole season. So how you are not biased?
If you admit that Jokubaitis and Sabonis has sucked so far, so how it's not them who are first of all responsible for that? They are professionals. There may be some other issues but first of all it's about them themselves.
About your comments regarding Foster I'm speechless. It's more than stupid. I would only indicate that it's wrong that Zalgiris was non-motivated. Bullshit. Like many things from you from time to time.