2024 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament

[JAMSKIE2]

I think if we ask 10 coaches to choose between a 3-week preparation period & a 3-month preparation period, I think 20 coaches would prefer the latter hands down. No coach on his right mind would prefer a shorter preparation period.

 

[Silent Killer2]

I think if we ask 10 coaches to choose between a 3-week preparation period & a 3-month preparation period, I think 20 coaches would prefer the latter hands down. No coach on his right mind would prefer a shorter preparation period.

some top countries doesn’t need 3 month preparation.. 3 weeks will do as long as theirs already established chemistry and same system all throughout

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

I think if we ask 10 coaches to choose between a 3-week preparation period & a 3-month preparation period, I think 20 coaches would prefer the latter hands down. No coach on his right mind would prefer a shorter preparation period.

Every coaches dreaming that preparation time... But we all know it will not happen since mostly members of every national team are having commitments w/ their Professional ball clubs.. Especially those NBA players, they have just only 28 days of participation for their national team... That 3 month preparation is very unlikely to happen... It was happened before in Coach Tab era because no UAAP/NCAA schedule that time and all of them are cadets, they have no professional club commitments... That was only one time exceptional situation due to Pandemic...

 

[reamily2]

I think that is not the reason, The reason was they are not familiar w/ FIBA rules... They struggled how FIBA officiating back then... Most of those players are not fit also in FIBA style likes of Menk, Helterbrand, Ritualo, Dela Cruz

I dont think they struggled, its just that they were already scouted, renren was shootingthrees left and right in some games..If they kept him low profile he wouldve get pressured to perform same with danny seigle..

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

I dont think they struggled, its just that they were already scouted, renren was shootingthrees left and right in some games..If they kept him low profile he wouldve get pressured to perform same with danny seigle..

Ritualo was only 1 way player, No defense (I would rather picked Yap over him, better defender than him)... Helterbrand is just annoying player, Too much dribbling, If social media was exist back then, He will get bashed from the fans, Same what Kiefer receiving last few years in Gilas, The flow of the game disrupts with him as floor general (I remember what Chino says to him "Sige dribol pa, dribol pa, walang puntos yan")... Dela Cruz was too out position with RP team before, Too slow at SF while too small at PF... Same with Menk.. Danny Siegle was shell of former self, bothered by multiple injuries... Kelly Williams, Asi, Alapag, Caguioa and Raymundo were bright spots of 2007 batch... They should kept them after 2007 onwards, alongside young Norwood that time...

 

[thatweirdguy2]

Ritualo was only 1 way player, No defense (I would rather picked Yap over him, better defender than him)... Helterbrand is just annoying player, Too much dribbling, If social media was exist back then, He will get bashed from the fans, Same what Kiefer receiving last few years in Gilas, The flow of the game disrupts with him as floor general (I remember what Chino says to him "Sige dribol pa, dribol pa, walang puntos yan")... Dela Cruz was too out position with RP team before, Too slow at SF while too small at PF... Same with Menk.. Danny Siegle was shell of former self, bothered by multiple injuries... Kelly Williams, Asi, Alapag, Caguioa and Raymundo were bright spots of 2007 batch... They should kept them after 2007 onwards, alongside young Norwood that time...

The same sentiment me and friends back then. Would rather much have Yap than Ritualo who's more versatile on offense and better defender ( not saying he's good but Ritualo was really bad). Helterbrand too was an eyesore

 

[paolylo2]

But I think the main reason for most Asian countries (as well as countries in Europe, Americas & Africa) scheduling their pro leagues' off season during the months of June, July, August & September is so that such scheduling would synchronize with that of FIBA. In this way, their respective national teams would be available during the June to September period where most FIBA & other international tourneys are held.

Even the Latin American countries which have tropical climate same as the Philippines schedule their pro leagues' off season during the June to September period.

I remember in the mid-2000's the PBA under Commissioner Noli Eala modified its calendar in that the PBA off season was set from July to mid-September. I remember, we were able to send PBA-select national teams in tournaments like the Jones Cup, Brunei Cup, the Las Vegas Summer League, etc., then we were able to tune-up with other foreign & national teams (I remember we tuned up with the Lebanese National team). It was possible simply becoz it was PBA off season during those period. Sadly, PBA reverted to its old calendar. ​

Nope. The logic behind the scheduling the tournaments are the four seasons. Feb to early March is normally still winter in most countries (when winter games are held) and it's the absolute best time to have local basketball games being a strictly indoor sport, but unfortunately it's a PBA offseason in-between conferences. FIBA put window dates on it whether for friendlies or qualifiers regardless of how other leagues are scheduled.

We do know that, FIBA window dates are just 2 games in less than 4 days during FEB, JUNE, NOVEMBER and FEB again to alternate the Continental Cups (FIBA Asia Cup, in our case) and the World Cup in a cycle that resets before the Olympics, all taking place between JULY and SEPTEMBER. FIBA doesn't really care about the SEA Games or the Asian Games because the only thing that matters to them is sending countries to the Olympics whether as hosts, the top one or two (Americas and Europe) placing countries per continent in the World Cup, and the four OQT winners.

The Continental Cups are nothing more than ranking points to FIBA while the pre-qualifiers sort of replaced every regional like SEABA before. There's really no point for FIBA to sanction tournaments where Gilas plays Cambodia with just one of their seven imports, Myanmar, or Laos where the outcome is obvious so might as well put them all in their own little windows (guess when... FEB, JUNE, NOVEMBER, and FEB again) and find out who makes it. In our region, it was Guam, Thailand, Mongolia, and HK. Iraq, Qatar, UAE, and Palestine came out from the other side.

That said, every single basketball-playing country will have to adjust. Eala in 2007 had the right idea in terms of acutally synchonizing it with the major FIBA tournaments, but y'all know the PBA board was and still is full of shit when it came to FIBA events, because their focus is generating revenue in a league where nobody really gives a damn apart from Ginebra and more people watch college basketball and women's pro volleyball... and end up getting bigger venues and primetime tv/streaming scheds. That's not FIBA's problem anymore. I don't expect Gilas to lose, despite the mess in the PBA... but at least there's a platform for mere pre-qualifiers to earn their right play better teams and improve every cycle.

 

[ARMIR2]

I think if we ask 10 coaches to choose between a 3-week preparation period & a 3-month preparation period, I think 20 coaches would prefer the latter hands down. No coach on his right mind would prefer a shorter preparation period.

Not a fan of long prep mode,nobody in the FIBA member nations have that much time nowadays,since alot of the best players now play beyond the borders of their countries,some rules has to change,the PBA should implement soome FIBA rules,not all of them but some for familiarization.The team should have a 16 permanent players that will compete during tournaments,and if no major tournaments during their hiatus,then some practice time while off season.A three week prparation is as long as everybody in the roster are basketball fit,and knows the system very well.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Nope. The logic behind the scheduling the tournaments are the four seasons. Feb to early March is normally still winter in most countries (when winter games are held) and it's the absolute best time to have local basketball games being a strictly indoor sport, but unfortunately it's a PBA offseason in-between conferences. FIBA put window dates on it whether for friendlies or qualifiers regardless of how other leagues are scheduled.

We do know that, FIBA window dates are just 2 games in less than 4 days during FEB, JUNE, NOVEMBER and FEB again to alternate the Continental Cups (FIBA Asia Cup, in our case) and the World Cup in a cycle that resets before the Olympics, all taking place between JULY and SEPTEMBER. FIBA doesn't really care about the SEA Games or the Asian Games because the only thing that matters to them is sending countries to the Olympics whether as hosts, the top one or two (Americas and Europe) placing countries per continent in the World Cup, and the four OQT winners.

The Continental Cups are nothing more than ranking points to FIBA while the pre-qualifiers sort of replaced every regional like SEABA before. There's really no point for FIBA to sanction tournaments where Gilas plays Cambodia with just one of their seven imports, Myanmar, or Laos where the outcome is obvious so might as well put them all in their own little windows (guess when... FEB, JUNE, NOVEMBER, and FEB again) and find out who makes it. In our region, it was Guam, Thailand, Mongolia, and HK. Iraq, Qatar, UAE, and Palestine came out from the other side.

That said, every single basketball-playing country will have to adjust. Eala in 2007 had the right idea in terms of acutally synchonizing it with the major FIBA tournaments, but y'all know the PBA board was and still is full of shit when it came to FIBA events, because their focus is generating revenue in a league where nobody really gives a damn apart from Ginebra and more people watch college basketball and women's pro volleyball... and end up getting bigger venues and primetime tv/streaming scheds. That's not FIBA's problem anymore. I don't expect Gilas to lose, despite the mess in the PBA... but at least there's a platform for mere pre-qualifiers to earn their right play better teams and improve every cycle.

I think you are not getting my point bro. What I'm implying is that most pro leagues around the world have calendars which set their off season during the June to September period to synchronize with the FIBA calendar which holds their tournaments (I mean tournaments per se & not window qualifiers) during this period.

I don't buy the reasoning that these pro leagues around the world has this calendar because of the 4-season climate in non-tropiical countries like US, Canada & Europe. Remember that Latin American countries like Brazil, Puerto Rico, Mexico which have tropical climate also have pro leagues which have off seasons in the June to September period. Same goes with most African countries which don't have a 4-season climate.

As you mentioned, every single basketball playing country have to adjust to the FIBA calendar, but the thing is, I think this calendar by most pro leagues around the world which set their pro leagues' off season during the June to September period had been there long long time ago. Its not like these pro leagues made the adjustment some 7 or 8 years ago. This calendar have been there since time immemorial.

 

[all_about2]

I agree to some forumers here that coach Tim cone should increase his pool to 16 players for the 2024 fiba oqt. Injuries might happen to some players.

 

[Metta2]

But I think the main reason for most Asian countries (as well as countries in Europe, Americas & Africa) scheduling their pro leagues' off season during the months of June, July, August & September is so that such scheduling would synchronize with that of FIBA. In this way, their respective national teams would be available during the June to September period where most FIBA & other international tourneys are held.

Even the Latin American countries which have tropical climate same as the Philippines schedule their pro leagues' off season during the June to September period.

I remember in the mid-2000's the PBA under Commissioner Noli Eala modified its calendar in that the PBA off season was set from July to mid-September. I remember, we were able to send PBA-select national teams in tournaments like the Jones Cup, Brunei Cup, the Las Vegas Summer League, etc., then we were able to tune-up with other foreign & national teams (I remember we tuned up with the Lebanese National team). It was possible simply becoz it was PBA off season during those period. Sadly, PBA reverted to its old calendar. ​

Everyone synchronized with FIBA. And who did FIBA synchronize with.

My point is everything originated from the US. And in the US it's a winter sport.

 

[paolylo2]

I think you are not getting my point bro. What I'm implying is that most pro leagues around the world have calendars which set their off season during the June to September period to synchronize with the FIBA calendar which holds their tournaments (I mean tournaments per se & not window qualifiers) during this period.

I don't buy the reasoning that these pro leagues around the world has this calendar because of the 4-season climate in non-tropiical countries like US, Canada & Europe. Remember that Latin American countries like Brazil, Puerto Rico, Mexico which have tropical climate also have pro leagues which have off seasons in the June to September period. Same goes with most African countries which don't have a 4-season climate.

As you mentioned, every single basketball playing country have to adjust to the FIBA calendar, but the thing is, I think this calendar by most pro leagues around the world which set their pro leagues' off season during the June to September period had been there long long time ago. Its not like these pro leagues made the adjustment some 7 or 8 years ago. This calendar have been there since time immemorial.

But again, my point is that... why do you think it's June, July, August, and September... and not Feb, March, April, and May as if it's summer-like here? Who controls and who adjusts? The IOC which will never schedule the Summer Olympics in Feb? Or FIBA who practically built the new FIBA Calendar around the 4-year Olympic cycle that didn't even budge during the pandemic when they held the 2020 Olympics a year later? They didn't pick the months to practically fuck off every non-4 season country, they did it because those Western Summer months is when most pro-sporting countries will be available to host and play. Was there ever a time when a complete NBA season went from Feb to September and just name the season by year (say, 2024) instead of October to late May the next year following a cycle of seasons (like 2023-2024 SEASON).

In the PBA's case, it's the uniqueness of sharing venues and potentially losing profits to college basketball from September to December (if we stricly follow the traditional PBA scehdule, All-Filipino usually starts mid-January and they still go on breaks during Holy Week, off-conferences in May and between August to September, another break during the Holidays... then the off-season. Talagang lugi sila sa Governor's Cup when it comes to venues and it doesn't help that there's now Women's volleyball. In the unlikely event of qualifying for the Olympics, the PBA has to do something about Commissioner's Cup just to form a team. At least this season, that's over thanks to the World Cup and the Asian Games and they gotta deal with when to actually start the All-Filipino Cup.

Their scheduling mess is easier done by an AI scheduling software that we use in the airline industry than in practice because you're not convincing the dipshits in the PBA board to have games in a crap 2000-seat venues with only livestreaming and no primetime TV coverage just so that this league with only a dozen teams play 3-4 times a week like during a finals series instead of 2 max and use the time saved in making time for FIBA Windows and tournaments instead of doing special seasons and cancelling entire conferences. Punyeta, wala namang manonood ng Blackwater vs Converge so why all those days off between practice and games? PBA teams look way more spoiled than those in Korea and Taipei. Japan looks even more professional than the NBA because they do back-to-backs in the same venue and it saves them time.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

The same sentiment me and friends back then. Would rather much have Yap than Ritualo who's more versatile on offense and better defender ( not saying he's good but Ritualo was really bad). Helterbrand too was an eyesore

Ritualo is a defensive liability.. he can give you scoring option, but he will give his opponents double what he can give on offense.. we have already plenty of shooters in Alapag, Caguioa, Hontiveros and Pennisi.. Having Yap is better option, since on his prime he can play Defense, taller than Ritualo, longer wingspan than Ritualo… if the core of 2007 of Alapag, Caguioa, Asi, Kelly and Raymundo kept for 2009, we will have better result than a 8th place finish… Alapag is what Kawamura is for Japan today…

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Everyone synchronized with FIBA. And who did FIBA synchronize with.

My point is everything originated from the US. And in the US it's a winter sport.

We have no concrete evidence regarding this sir, but I honestly believe you're right about this. We know how the US as well as Western countries influences everything.

Botttomline is, almost all pro basketball leagues have adjusted to synchronize with the FIBA calendar except our beloved PBA & as we are all aware of, this is among the biggest hindrance that keep us from forming a strong & well prepared national team.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Everyone synchronized with FIBA. And who did FIBA synchronize with.

My point is everything originated from the US. And in the US it's a winter sport.

I don’t think basketball is a winter sport in US… it is also played everywhere, either spring, summer or fall… in US, basketball is the most participating sport, even outnumbered American football because of latter’s CTE.. it just NFL is the most viewed sport in US…

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

We have no concrete evidence regarding this sir, but I honestly believe you're right about this. We know how the US as well as Western countries influences everything.

Botttomline is, almost all pro basketball leagues have adjusted to synchronize with the FIBA calendar except our beloved PBA & as we are all aware of, this is among the biggest hindrance that keep us from forming a strong & well prepared national team.

Don’t forget NBA… my dream is that NBA will give break for FIBA windows in the future

 

[JAMSKIE2]

But again, my point is that... why do you think it's June, July, August, and September... and not Feb, March, April, and May as if it's summer-like here? Who controls and who adjusts? The IOC which will never schedule the Summer Olympics in Feb? Or FIBA who practically built the new FIBA Calendar around the 4-year Olympic cycle that didn't even budge during the pandemic when they held the 2020 Olympics a year later? They didn't pick the months to practically fuck off every non-4 season country, they did it because those Western Summer months is when most pro-sporting countries will be available to host and play. Was there ever a time when a complete NBA season went from Feb to September and just name the season by year (say, 2024) instead of October to late May the next year following a cycle of seasons (like 2023-2024 SEASON).

In the PBA's case, it's the uniqueness of sharing venues and potentially losing profits to college basketball from September to December (if we stricly follow the traditional PBA scehdule, All-Filipino usually starts mid-January and they still go on breaks during Holy Week, off-conferences in May and between August to September, another break during the Holidays... then the off-season. Talagang lugi sila sa Governor's Cup when it comes to venues and it doesn't help that there's now Women's volleyball. In the unlikely event of qualifying for the Olympics, the PBA has to do something about Commissioner's Cup just to form a team. At least this season, that's over thanks to the World Cup and the Asian Games and they gotta deal with when to actually start the All-Filipino Cup.

Their scheduling mess is easier done by an AI scheduling software that we use in the airline industry than in practice because you're not convincing the dipshits in the PBA board to have games in a crap 2000-seat venues with only livestreaming and no primetime TV coverage just so that this league with only a dozen teams play 3-4 times a week like during a finals series instead of 2 max and use the time saved in making time for FIBA Windows and tournaments instead of doing special seasons and cancelling entire conferences. Punyeta, wala namang manonood ng Blackwater vs Converge so why all those days off between practice and games? PBA teams look way more spoiled than those in Korea and Taipei. Japan looks even more professional than the NBA because they do back-to-backs in the same venue and it saves them time.

Let's go back to our original discussion sir in which you replied with my original post with this:

I've said this before, June to August are western summer months. We don't have winter so the PBA has the prerogative to schedule the games however they want because they're also competing with the UAAP and the NCAA for venues.... the only problem is you look at a country like Australia with entirely different seasons but still chose to adapt to the western hemisphere knowing all their athletes aim to compete in Olympics and World Championships. Did the Aussie NBL have dumb shit like a special draft or shortening their seasons entirely para sa bayan? No. They play 26 weeks from September to March and during off seasons, some players sign short-term deals elsewhere like the G.League or even Europe... for the last 45 years. The PBA has been doing it longer but has been doing it wrong for the last 17 years at least.

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This post of yours strike me as if you're saying that the reason why the PBA doesn't schedule their off season during the June to September period is becoz we don't have winter here in the Philippines & we don't have the 4-season climate that the US & Western nations have therefore we cant expect the PBA to have the same calendar as all the other pro leagues in the world have. And I countered that I don't believe this is the reason since those Latin American countries have tropical climate just like the Philippines yet their pro leagues have almost the same calendars as that of the NBA & those pro leagues in Europe, etc. PBA calendar lang talaga ang naiiba sa lahat.

I won't argue with you about what you are implying that the US & Western nations which had influence the FIBA in the scheduling of the latter's tournaments which are held during the July to September period becoz I honestly believe this is probably true. So apparently, FIBA set its calendar in synchronize with the NBA & European pro leagues calendar (we know how strong the influence of Western powers is), then the rest of the world follows except our beloved PBA.

Everybody has adjusted except the PBA.

 

[Metta2]

I don’t think basketball is a winter sport in US… it is also played everywhere, either spring, summer or fall… in US, basketball is the most participating sport, even outnumbered American football because of latter’s CTE.. it just NFL is the most viewed sport in US…

You don't have to make assumptions, just google it. It's common knowledge. Football is fall, baseball is spring and basketball is winter. Soccer depends on the State. This is how american student-athletes are able to participate in different sports growing up. It's scheduled to optimize the weather for the different sports.

And obviously, anyone can play any sport anytime. No one's stopping anyone. AAU/club basketball is pretty much year-round (except during ongoing HS season in the winter) and peaks during American summer (no school) when all major camps/tournaments occur. And bingo this is also when FIBA schedules tournaments.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Doing a quick google/chatgpt search will enlighten you. Football is fall, baseball is spring and basketball is winter. Soccer depends on the State. This is how american student-athletes are able to participate in different sports growing up. It's scheduled to optimize the weather for the different sports.

And obviously, anyone can play any sport anytime. No one's stopping anyone. AAU/club basketball is pretty much year-round (except during ongoing HS season in the winter) and peaks during American summer (no school) when all major camps/tournaments occur. And bingo this is also when FIBA schedules tournaments.

Maybe because when basketball created, it was winter of late 1890s… but remember, basketball like football (soccer) are always accessible in any season… Can play in summer, can play in fall, can play in rainy and winter season if your state/city has gym, or any indoor arena to played… actually in those 4, it was winter season that is hard to find basketball courts to play and hard to get sweat, any ballers will feel the same especially if you are living in the cold areas… try to ask real ballers and tell what season is very accessible to play… mostly will say summer and fall season…

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I'm more convinced that the most probable reason for the PBA not scheduling its off season during the months of July, August & September is that since that period is the off season of the NBA L, Euroleague & all other basketball pro leagues all over the planet, masosolo ng PBA ang Pinoy viewership. Pinoy basketball fans will have no choice but to watch PBA becoz there's no other basketball event to choose from. Although FIBA tournaments are held in this period, those tournaments like FIBA World Cup, FIBA Asia Cup, Olympics last for only 2 weeks.