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2024 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament

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DR will be better than Brazil if their All NBA players will suit up… KAT, Horford, Duarte and Quinones are very tough already… plus they have young sensation Jean Montero… DR beat Argentina already, who the latter beat Brazil in the finals of Americup in their home last year…

Horford, with his age, is highly unlikely to play in their national team. Quinones is a meh. KAT is the real deal there. adding Duarte alone can't change the fortunes for the Dominicans. the Dominicans were already beaten by Puerto Rico with only Tremont Waters (benchwarmer) as their sole NBA player.

Brazil, with or without NBA players, is still a good team. Not even a debate.
 
honestly there is no way we can win that tournament. Especially Latvia. assuming same core of their WC team plus Porzingis. usual players of the other teams also. if the PBA wants to concentrate to their league for now, give them. maybe college and overseas players will be ideal and set this as learning experience for future tournament. no more JC this time. unless if they want to spend 1M dollars again..Haha.
 
Horford, with his age, is highly unlikely to play in their national team. Quinones is a meh. KAT is the real deal there. adding Duarte alone can't change the fortunes for the Dominicans. the Dominicans were already beaten by Puerto Rico with only Tremont Waters (benchwarmer) as their sole NBA player.

Brazil, with or without NBA players, is still a good team. Not even a debate.

Brazil is also inconsistent bro… they always lose to Argentina… DR beat Argentina even w/o KAT… Argentina beat Brazil in their home court last Americup finals last year w/ all same rosters both teams… so don’t tell Brazil is better because game style of Latin Americans are different… DR can beat Brazil any day…
 
honestly there is no way we can win that tournament. Especially Latvia. assuming same core of their WC team plus Porzingis. usual players of the other teams also. if the PBA wants to concentrate to their league for now, give them. maybe college and overseas players will be ideal and set this as learning experience for future tournament. no more JC this time. unless if they want to spend 1M dollars again..Haha.

And, Dwight, Kai, RJ, SJ, Abando, Carl, Lopez, Quiambao, and Ange are FIBA veterans. AJ is capable too. Like sir DAdmiral said, and I echoed that sentiment, we need to use this to build for 2027.
 
And, Dwight, Kai, RJ, SJ, Abando, Carl, Lopez, Quiambao, and Ange are FIBA veterans. AJ is capable too. Like sir DAdmiral said, and I echoed that sentiment, we need to use this to build for 2027.

Dalph Panopio also. i just do hope SBP working secretly Philipps, Koon and Ballungay papers for exemptions. not all needed to be in the basketball news for hype. i'm fine with that. we can field a team actually consisting overseas and college players. we can field QMB as naturalized if Ange is not available. we have so many options regarding players. but availability of the players and preparation is another.. hehe
 
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Brazil is also inconsistent bro… they always lose to Argentina… DR beat Argentina even w/o KAT… Argentina beat Brazil in their home court last Americup finals last year w/ all same rosters both teams… so don’t tell Brazil is better because game style of Latin Americans are different… DR can beat Brazil any day…

Where is Argentina now actually? And where is Brazil now?

​​Which team did not qualify for the World Cup and the Olympics, let alone the OQT?

My point here is Brazil has never disppeared in the World Cup and that's consistency.

Per DR, their team with Horford, Duarte, Quinones and KAT is just a speculation until they play together.
 
Where is Argentina now actually? And where is Brazil now?

​​Which team did not qualify for the World Cup and the Olympics, let alone the OQT?

My point here is Brazil has never disppeared in the World Cup and that's consistency.

Per DR, their team with Horford, Duarte, Quinones and KAT is just a speculation until they play together.

Bro… there are more national teams who are good but also not qualified even in OQT… Turkey for example, they are also not qualified last WC and also not qualified for OQT this year… but do you think they are already worst in Europe right now? Nigeria also same… they not qualified for WC and OQT but we all know if they will send their best players, they can reclaim African glory anytime… Argentina was caught up on a bad luck in 2023… but it doesn’t mean they were weaker right now… Remember last year they are the americup champions… they beat Brazil in their homecourt on a same line up that they field today… honestly, outside of US and Canada.. other americup teams are all same level… Argentina, Brazil, DR, PR can beat each other… if they will play in a series… 90% of their match ups will go into 7 games… while Mexico and Venezuela are below tier after them… I think in terms of paper, Bahamas could be the 3rd best team in Americas right now, if they can play consistently every year… buddy hield is an all star level right now, Ayton is a good big man, Kai Jones also a good player (just surrounded by controversy this year) and Eric Gordon is a good complimentary to them..
 
Where is Argentina now actually? And where is Brazil now?

​​Which team did not qualify for the World Cup and the Olympics, let alone the OQT?

My point here is Brazil has never disppeared in the World Cup and that's consistency.

Per DR, their team with Horford, Duarte, Quinones and KAT is just a speculation until they play together.

But Argentina are better in terms achievement than Brazil all time… If consistency is your basis… Argentina is more consistent since 1980s… Brazil can’t even past 2nd round of any World Cup appearance, plus when was the last time Brazil played in Olympics? The last time they played when they are the host in 2016… they can’t qualify to the Olympics w/o hosting it… is that consistent?
 
But Argentina are better in terms achievement than Brazil all time… If consistency is your basis… Argentina is more consistent since 1980s… Brazil can’t even past 2nd round of any World Cup appearance, plus when was the last time Brazil played in Olympics? The last time they played when they are the host in 2016… they can’t qualify to the Olympics w/o hosting it… is that consistent?

"Brazil can't even past 2nd round of any World Cup appearance"

- Brazil only missed the 2nd once (2006). Imbento ka. Hahaha

- Again, Brazil never missed a World Cup.

"When was the last time Brazil played in Olympics?"

- Brazil last played in the Olympics in 2016 - not so long ago. They made it in 2012 and UK was the host. You talking about?

​​​​​​My point here is Brazil is still one of the top teams in the Americas, regardless of players.
 
"Brazil can't even past 2nd round of any World Cup appearance"

- Brazil only missed the 2nd once (2006). Imbento ka. Hahaha

- Again, Brazil never missed a World Cup.

"When was the last time Brazil played in Olympics?"

- Brazil last played in the Olympics in 2016 - not so long ago. They made it in 2012 and UK was the host. You talking about?

​​​​​​My point here is Brazil is still one of the top teams in the Americas, regardless of players.

But still beatable… your point is Brazil is more stronger than the likes of DR or PR even though they not.. and you say they are consistent, Argentina is more consistent than them… since 1980s, Argentina is always at Olympics, they won the gold in 2004… if I do betting, you can’t see Brazil overwhelm favorites… overall, Brazil is in tier B in Americas… the only tier A there is USA and Canada… Brazil, Argentina, DR and PR are all equal strength… they can be beaten each other… Bahamas is also in the conversation within Brazil and Argentina too because of their multiple nba players…
 
"Brazil can't even past 2nd round of any World Cup appearance"

- Brazil only missed the 2nd once (2006). Imbento ka. Hahaha

- Again, Brazil never missed a World Cup.

"When was the last time Brazil played in Olympics?"

- Brazil last played in the Olympics in 2016 - not so long ago. They made it in 2012 and UK was the host. You talking about?

​​​​​​My point here is Brazil is still one of the top teams in the Americas, regardless of players.

Remember, there are multiple teams right now are very good in basketball today, unlike 10 or 20 years ago… before, maybe 10-12 teams are very good in basketball, Now, I can name 30 or more teams who can beat top tier teams in international basketball… before, 12 teams in Olympics is enough, now I can’t say 12 teams is enough… remember, only one of Luka or Giannis might play in Olympics, they are in the same group playing in Greece.. that means a possible Greece vs Slovenia in the final round of OQT Greece … Spain might be beaten by Bahamas, especially if guys like Hield, Ayton, Gordon and Jones will play their best game in Bahamas uniform… Lithuania might be beaten too if they will be caught off guard by either Italy or Puerto Rico… If you look at the pairings of OQT… the easiest 1st round schedule is only Spain because they are grouped with Lebanon and Angola.. easy 1st round opponents for them, but other groups are tough already… Finland, Bahamas and Poland are tough… all of them deserve to be atleast in 2nd round… NZL, Croatia and Slovenia also tough… Brazil, Montenegro and Cameroon are also tough especially if NBA players of Cameroon will show up…
 
Remember, there are multiple teams right now are very good in basketball today, unlike 10 or 20 years ago… before, maybe 10-12 teams are very good in basketball, Now, I can name 30 or more teams who can beat top tier teams in international basketball… before, 12 teams in Olympics is enough, now I can’t say 12 teams is enough… remember, only one of Luka or Giannis might play in Olympics, they are in the same group playing in Greece.. that means a possible Greece vs Slovenia in the final round of OQT Greece … Spain might be beaten by Bahamas, especially if guys like Hield, Ayton, Gordon and Jones will play their best game in Bahamas uniform… Lithuania might be beaten too if they will be caught off guard by either Italy or Puerto Rico… If you look at the pairings of OQT… the easiest 1st round schedule is only Spain because they are grouped with Lebanon and Angola.. easy 1st round opponents for them, but other groups are tough already… Finland, Bahamas and Poland are tough… all of them deserve to be atleast in 2nd round… NZL, Croatia and Slovenia also tough… Brazil, Montenegro and Cameroon are also tough especially if NBA players of Cameroon will show up…

But still beatable… your point is Brazil is more stronger than the likes of DR or PR even though they not.. and you say they are consistent, Argentina is more consistent than them… since 1980s, Argentina is always at Olympics, they won the gold in 2004… if I do betting, you can’t see Brazil overwhelm favorites… overall, Brazil is in tier B in Americas… the only tier A there is USA and Canada… Brazil, Argentina, DR and PR are all equal strength… they can be beaten each other… Bahamas is also in the conversation within Brazil and Argentina too because of their multiple nba players…

​You did not get my point - teams should not rely on certain players.

DR is all about KAT. Take out KAT, DR will take a dip in terms of competitiveness.

When the Golden Generation of Argentina retired, they struggled to stay relevant in recent years.

This is where Brazil is commendable - no letdowns despite of change of guard. I do believe that no one in Asia-Pacific can beat this team except Australia
 
If we really prepare hard, we can win this tournament(mga 2 percent)... hahah hot take..as long as no kp in equation
 
If we really prepare hard, we can win this tournament(mga 2 percent)... hahah hot take..as long as no kp in equation

Now if we form an early core ( coach and young players for 2027 WC) this July for OQT, we have around 80 % chance of making the 2027 WC and maybe a 10 % chance of making 2nd round of WC and making the 2028 Olympics outright as lone Asian Olympic qualifier. Now tell me which is more sensible planning ? this decision does not need to be experimented or proven , as time and time again it is long term planning that works ( period)
 
Now if we form an early core ( coach and young players for 2027 WC) this July for OQT, we have around 80 % chance of making the 2027 WC and maybe a 10 % chance of making 2nd round of WC and making the 2028 Olympics outright as lone Asian Olympic qualifier. Now tell me which is more sensible planning ? this decision does not need to be experimented or proven , as time and time again it is long term planning that works ( period)

Keep a few players that are 30+ years of age just to backstop and guide our young players, but yeah, we need to focus on youth now. We have Dwight, AJ, Kai, RJ, SJ, Carl, who are good pieces with which to build a core. Then recall Oftana, Navarro, Malonzo, and then call up Schonny Winston and Ken Tuffin.

Problem is, like sir C2Hamm said, SBP have proven to be incredibly shortsighted. Hopefully, they play the long game this time.
 
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Now if we form an early core ( coach and young players for 2027 WC) this July for OQT, we have around 80 % chance of making the 2027 WC and maybe a 10 % chance of making 2nd round of WC and making the 2028 Olympics outright as lone Asian Olympic qualifier. Now tell me which is more sensible planning ? this decision does not need to be experimented or proven , as time and time again it is long term planning that works ( period)

Correct after all the prepaartions done by team in 2018 yeah we stumbled in world cup but picked up whats left off and we won the gold with guys who were involved in that process
 
​You did not get my point - teams should not rely on certain players.

DR is all about KAT. Take out KAT, DR will take a dip in terms of competitiveness.

When the Golden Generation of Argentina retired, they struggled to stay relevant in recent years.

This is where Brazil is commendable - no letdowns despite of change of guard. I do believe that no one in Asia-Pacific can beat this team except Australia

No bro… even w/o KAT, they are tough team in Americas… do you know Jean Montero? He’s just 19 but already top players of DR… they both equal in terms of manpower, strength… actually, Brazil would not qualify in this year’s World Cup if not for team USA’s decision to bring worst than their g-league players in their last game… Do you know they lose to f*ck*ng Columbia in World Cup qualifiers, I really don’t know that Columbia has a basketball team, yet Brazil lose to them….

https://youtu.be/3IzuxCb2qY8?si=cLNB-dnsYQCFkVEp


they also lose to Puerto Rico and Mexico in World Cup qualifiers too… and you say they are better? Cmon…. Brazil got lucky last qualifiers (they have same fate as Iran in WC qualifiers, only save by the bell)…
 
If we really prepare hard, we can win this tournament(mga 2 percent)... hahah hot take..as long as no kp in equation

Gilas just focus to beat Georgia first… they are tough to beat but they are lower than Latvia… Get that inspiration from Japan how they beat Finland… I think Finland is slightly better than Georgia… if they plan really well, they can upset Georgia… the schedule is also not in favor on Gilas.. they will play in 1st 2 games… so Georgia would watch Gilas first game vs Latvia to scout… Gilas has to play smart in able to manage squeeze to the 2nd round via back door
 
I would consider picking Kouame over JC or JB. With Kouame and Edu there we can rotate them and have a good rim protector who is excellent at switching on the floor all the time. We dont need to play JF who always becomes target practice at this level. Kai would also be optional. Our SF, SG spot would be weaker but I think a rotation of Dwight, Newsome and Malonzo can be decent. Newsome proved he can be decent at the SF spot last Asian games.
 
Tagal pa kasi eh. Way too many things will happen before August. Gilas doesn't even have a coach, there could be a bunch of new and even returning faces to the program based on their performance in the PBA like Juan GDL and Caracut. Even Balanza is decent-sized for the FIBA game. Maybe try out Santillian as an undersized 3 or even a 4 the way Quiambao was at FIBA Asia. If JC gets a callback, I'd like to see Carl Tamayo because he spreads the floor better than every other big Gilas had (including RdO). We'll just have to wait for FIBA Asia Cup qualifying before looking ahead to the OQT.
 
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