2024 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament

[sroth38392]

Let's give Oftana and CJ a shot this OQT. Let them show how they can contribute, especially defensively. Navarro might be able to replace Malonzo if the latter keeps getting injured.

As for Parks, I think that ship has sailed, unless he's willing again. I think Heading, another shooter and decent 1-on-1 defender, can do.

I’m getting tired of Perez tbh.

In some games, he will make clutch shots like the ones against Jordan and KSA (Nov 2023 window) but disappear in some (Asiad 2023).

If we can get exemptions for Lucero and improve Amos' defense, I’m also willing to move on from Malonzo.

 

[lem0nadi2]

I’m getting tired of Perez tbh.

In some games, he will make clutch shots like the ones against Jordan and KSA (Nov 2023 window) but disappear in some (Asiad 2023).

If we can get exemptions for Lucero and improve Amos' defense, I’m also willing to move on from Malonzo.

Lucero will be definitely eligible for Gilas come WC 2027, and Olympics 2028 if we qualified.

 

[Rds2]

I’d move on with Oftana if we can find a 6'5 shooter who can also defend.

Navarro anyone?

He's 6'6 and has better handles with proven abilities. We know he can deliver.

Hell, I'd take BRP over Perez any day.

IRC years ago Tab had to choose from Navarro and Oftana. Navarro's defense won over Oftana's offense. Navarro along with Balti were part of the integral perimeter defense that helped stop Korea and their 6'7 NCAA star. However, now Oftana is a PBA star for an MVP company and Navarro's offensive skills have not really improved. But with Oftana so far useless on defense and offense. It's really time to consider Navarro.

 

[Rds2]

Lucero will be definitely eligible for Gilas come WC 2027, and Olympics 2028 if we qualified.

Slaugher and Newsome got their exemption in their 30s. It is a fool's errand including somebody anticipating an exemption. We must focus on the development of eligibles and only consider ineligibles when they do get their exemption. Exemption is not a given. They are exemptions for a reason. We can't request exemptions for all ineligibles. It wouldn't be an exemption.

 

[IPC2]

IRC years ago Tab had to choose from Navarro and Oftana. Navarro's defense won over Oftana's offense. Navarro along with Balti were part of the integral perimeter defense that helped stop Korea and their 6'7 NCAA star. However, now Oftana is a PBA star for an MVP company and Navarro's offensive skills have not really improved. But with Oftana so far useless on defense and offense. It's really time to consider Navarro.

As I've been saying over and over again, if our primary SF isn't a star (Bahrami or El-Khatib caliber), might as well go with a defender at that spot. We have Dwight, but he's being groomed to play guard. JB's 36. So might as well get another defensive wing.

The 3 is a key spot on defense. We need reliable defenders there.

 

[Rds2]

As I've been saying over and over again, if our primary SF isn't a star (Bahrami or El-Khatib caliber), might as well go with a defender at that spot. We have Dwight, but he's being groomed to play guard. JB's 36. So might as well get another defensive wing.

The 3 is a key spot on defense. We need reliable defenders there.

Agree with you. Ironically our best wing defender in the Asian games was Newsome. He was the main defender among several against RHJ But he is 30 plus and he does give up a lot of height against big wings.

 

[lem0nadi2]

Slaugher and Newsome got their exemption in their 30s. It is a fool's errand including somebody anticipating an exemption. We must focus on the development of eligibles and only consider ineligibles when they do get their exemption. Exemption is not a given. They are exemptions for a reason. We can't request exemptions for all ineligibles. It wouldn't be an exemption.

That is because the SBP did not actually apply for their exemption. They just need to apply for an exemption they think that is eligible already based on the FIBA rules. Look at the highlighted in the official book of FIBA below.

​Assuming Lucero is still playing at the PBA come 2027, he has already 5 or more years of playing in the country. That seems reasonable to apply for exemption and pretty sure the governing body will approve because there is no way Zav Lucero will be playing for team USA (his primary land). Same scenario with Kai Balunggay if he decided to play for PBA.​ So its up to the PBA to make the league high-end in the eyes of fil-foreign who are not available. Also I assume the non-eligible fil-foreigns who play college basketball here in Philippines will definitely play in the PBA because they are not eligible to the other big asian leagues such as BLeague and KBL. Unless they are a world-caliber import which is unlikely. Hell, if Mikey Williams is eligible as local, i am pretty sure he is already playing for the Bleague/KBL right now.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Many people here don't understand CTC's coaching Philosophy.. He would rather die together with his loyal soldiers rather than inserting new players but have no knowledge in his system... Triangle offense is hard to learn and getting new players is not so ideal w/ current situation of Gilas that still under PBA rule... Even me i want guys like Abando, Baltazar, etc... in this current roster but CTC has trust with those players... Let them be...

 

[IPC2]

Agree with you. Ironically our best wing defender in the Asian games was Newsome. He was the main defender among several against RHJ But he is 30 plus and he does give up a lot of height against big wings.

We have to think about Newsome's successor now. He turns 34 next month, and he's one of three reliable perimeter defenders we have (four, if we include JB).

And we will need more perimeter defenders if we're not going to get Ange or a defensive-minded 4/5 (4, so that he can play next to Kai) as our NP.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

That is because the SBP did not actually apply for their exemption. They just need to apply for an exemption they think that is eligible already based on the FIBA rules. Look at the highlighted in the official book of FIBA below.

​Assuming Lucero is still playing at the PBA come 2027, he has already 5 or more years of playing in the country. That seems reasonable to apply for exemption and pretty sure the governing body will approve because there is no way Zav Lucero will be playing for team USA (his primary land). Same scenario with Kai Balunggay if he decided to play for PBA.​ So its up to the PBA to make the league high-end in the eyes of fil-foreign who are not available. Also I assume the non-eligible fil-foreigns who play college basketball here in Philippines will definitely play in the PBA because they are not eligible to the other big asian leagues such as BLeague and KBL. Unless they are a world-caliber import which is unlikely.

Unfortunately, PBA will not do that, that means Lucero is eligible to play in the B League.. If Lucero is eligible, he will not play in the PBA right away... Business decision on part of SBP / PBA... Cliff Hodge already reside here for 12 years but until now PBA / SBP not grant his exemption case...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Agree with you. Ironically our best wing defender in the Asian games was Newsome. He was the main defender among several against RHJ But he is 30 plus and he does give up a lot of height against big wings.

If Newsome played last FIBA World cup, he will be our main defender against Carlik Jones of SSD, Simon Fonteccio of Italy, The little guy from Angola (Dundao) and Jean Montero of DR.. He should be there rather than either Kiefer, Pogoy or Perez....

 

[IPC2]

Many people here don't understand CTC's coaching Philosophy.. He would rather die together with his loyal soldiers rather than inserting new players but have no knowledge in his system... Triangle offense is hard to learn and getting new players is not so ideal w/ current situation of Gilas that still under PBA rule... Even me i want guys like Abando, Baltazar, etc... in this current roster but CTC has trust with those players... Let them be...

The issue I have right now is the roster construction. We don't have enough defenders in the perimeter and the interior. Right now nga, we can rely only on Newsome, Dwight, and JB on that end. If AJ goes down, we lose the balance in the roster.

Only hope now is that we have a defensive system that doesn't hemorrhage points, especially if AJ isn't with us, and that the players can rotate to compensate for the roster's lack of balance.

 

[lem0nadi2]

Unfortunately, PBA will not do that, that means Lucero is eligible to play in the B League.. If Lucero is eligible, he will not play in the PBA right away... Business decision on part of SBP / PBA... Cliff Hodge already reside here for 12 years but until now PBA / SBP not grant his exemption case...

Maybe because we don't really need Hodge at all? Though you have a point where the PBA will not likely do that but if Lucero plays for SMC that time he would be most likely get it considering the SMC already handles SBP. Also SMC seems to have a good handling of their players because they manage to retain all of their players who were lure by lucrative offers from Japan/Korea (Japeth Aguilar / Calvin Abueva).

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Maybe because we don't really need Hodge at all? Though you have a point where the PBA will not likely do that but if Lucero plays for SMC that time he would be most likely get it considering the SMC already handles SBP. Also SMC seems to have a good handling of their players because they manage to retain all of their players who were lure by lucrative offers from Japan/Korea (Japeth Aguilar / Calvin Abueva).

Still not sure, especially that their agents knows how big money overseas have...They can't even try to exempt guys like Cstand, Tautuaa or even Laput... SMC don't trust players just yet unless they are very very loyal such as Scottie, LA and Junmar...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

The issue I have right now is the roster construction. We don't have enough defenders in the perimeter and the interior. Right now nga, we can rely only on Newsome, Dwight, and JB on that end. If AJ goes down, we lose the balance in the roster.

Only hope now is that we have a defensive system that doesn't hemorrhage points, especially if AJ isn't with us, and that the players can rotate to compensate for the roster's lack of balance.

I think CTC knows this already... Like i said in the past.. CTC is boiling within SBP / SMC orders and fans clamor... Oftana is one of the 1st choice of CTC, Perez is already part of CTC's Asian games campaign, Scottie is his 1st PG with his system... It's not easy to replace them because those guys are loyal soldiers of CTC, They know his system, those players willing to die for him... We can tap the likes of Abando, Heading, Balti, etc, But they are willing to be part of his system? It's easy to say Yes, But that is not we saw from their body language (or just their agents and SBP / SMC management have no mutual agreement)... I also want additional players but you know CTC... He only trust players who already knows his system... CTC is not type of coach that trust new players right away... Just look at his PBA stints? How many rookies that CTC trust since he starts coaching here? Only little.. Only Abbarientos, Cortez, Barroca, Sanggalang and Scottie are only rookies drafted with him that give right away trust in their rookie stints (Maybe i can add Cablay and Cu too)... Even he trust more Brownlee than Clarkson, A legit NBA caliber player...

 

[Rds2]

Is there a stream for the PH vs Poland tuneup?

 

[zairex2]

I wonder if they have tried to emulate what Brook Lopez does in defense with Junemar

 

[Thegloryball2]

Any streaming links guys?

 

[Rds2]

PH going to Kai early. Doing well so far. Japeth starts for def purposes.

 

[Silent Killer2]

Any streaming links guys?