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I admit I made mistakes. I never said that I don't.
What I won't tolerate and I won't do saying big lies, accusing someone of misdeeds without proper evidence and burner account.
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Rds2
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We're talking about the "no-drop" defense. So the NBA ideal is switching defense. The general standard if you can't switch is to do drop defense. Which is not perfect but it prevents the drive and possibly the outside shot if perimeter defender is good at slipping screens. This is why I said JMF's laterals have really worsened after the leg break. At his fastest, he was even asked by Tab to switch. Mind you not drop but switch. After that he became heavier and slower. His drop defense was abused. He was abused in PNRs by Kazakhstan.
But still he was productive enough on offense. But now, his drop defense is so bad that it had to be simplified for him. No-drop defense. He just sticks with his man. The ball handler in effect has free driving lane to the basket. Which happened several times. I don't remember seeing Kai doing it. But IMO Kai should do the standard drop defense. He doesn't have JF's bulk or injury history to justify not doing a proper drop.
But still he was productive enough on offense. But now, his drop defense is so bad that it had to be simplified for him. No-drop defense. He just sticks with his man. The ball handler in effect has free driving lane to the basket. Which happened several times. I don't remember seeing Kai doing it. But IMO Kai should do the standard drop defense. He doesn't have JF's bulk or injury history to justify not doing a proper drop.
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IPC2
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We're talking about the "no-drop" defense. So the NBA ideal is switching defense. The general standard if you can't switch is to do drop defense. Which is not perfect but it prevents the drive and possibly the outside shot if perimeter defender is good at slipping screens. This is why I said JMF's laterals have really worsened after the leg break. At his fastest, he was even asked by Tab to switch. Mind you not drop but switch. After that he became heavier and slower. His drop defense was abused. He was abused in PNRs by Kazakhstan.
But still he was productive enough on offense. But now, his drop defense is so bad that it had to be simplified for him. No-drop defense. He just sticks with his man. The ball handler in effect has free driving lane to the basket. Which happened several times. I don't remember seeing Kai doing it. But IMO Kai should do the standard drop defense. He doesn't have JF's bulk or injury history to justify not doing a proper drop.
Yeah, the no-drop has the risk of allowing a free lane. There should ideally be a defender waiting inside. Usually, that's the tagger.
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zairex2
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We're talking about the "no-drop" defense. So the NBA ideal is switching defense. The general standard if you can't switch is to do drop defense. Which is not perfect but it prevents the drive and possibly the outside shot if perimeter defender is good at slipping screens. This is why I said JMF's laterals have really worsened after the leg break. At his fastest, he was even asked by Tab to switch. Mind you not drop but switch. After that he became heavier and slower. His drop defense was abused. He was abused in PNRs by Kazakhstan.
But still he was productive enough on offense. But now, his drop defense is so bad that it had to be simplified for him. No-drop defense. He just sticks with his man. The ball handler in effect has free driving lane to the basket. Which happened several times. I don't remember seeing Kai doing it. But IMO Kai should do the standard drop defense. He doesn't have JF's bulk or injury history to justify not doing a proper drop.
I just want to understand, is the play in the 00:58:00 of 4th Qrt a drop defense coverage.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxAHz74ovgrdHgpses6U_vignROd8oe_5a
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JAMSKIE2
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I wondered why it did not work for Iran or China when a German and Serbian coach led them. Even Japan was not winning games in WC 2019 until their current coach which uses DDO and Iso not strictly Euro plays
I think China's problem right now isn't about its players not getting used to the FIBA or European style of game but its more of the Chinese players' shortcomings in talent. Chinese basketball has struggled in the last 6 years or so becoz of the lack of go-to-guy type of players in the team. I remember during the 90's & early to mid-2000's which was the height of China's domination of Asian basketball, they had players like 7-foot Wang Zhizhi, 6-foot-8 Gong Xiao Bin, 6-foot-7 Liu Yudong,6-foot-6 Hu Wei Dong. Those were highly skilled & good size players for their respective positions that they play. It seems current China national team hardly has these kind of players.
With regards to Iran, Iran basketball has been on a decline in the last 4 years since the retirement of Asian basketball legend 6-foot-5 wingman Samad Nikkah Bahrami & his partner 7-foot-2 strongman Hamed Haddadi already washed up in the last 4 years & is now retired from national team service as well. Right now, Iran is on a rebuilding mode with some good quality wingmen, point guards & "fours". I think Iran would still be among the elite teams in Asia, but it can longer dominate the way it used to during the late 2000's to mid-2010's.
I think to be a successful team, it requires the right materials & very good coaching. One without the other won't get the job done.
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Giannis34GOD2
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I think China's problem right now isn't about its players not getting used to the FIBA or European style of game but its more of the Chinese players' shortcomings in talent. Chinese basketball has struggled in the last 6 years or so becoz of the lack of go-to-guy type of players in the team. I remember during the 90's & early to mid-2000's which was the height of China's domination of Asian basketball, they had players like 7-foot Wang Zhizhi, 6-foot-8 Gong Xiao Bin, 6-foot-7 Liu Yudong,6-foot-6 Hu Wei Dong. Those were highly skilled & good size players for their respective positions that they play. It seems current China national team hardly has these kind of players.
With regards to Iran, Iran basketball has been on a decline in the last 4 years since the retirement of Asian basketball legend 6-foot-5 wingman Samad Nikkah Bahrami & his partner 7-foot-2 strongman Hamed Haddadi already washed up in the last 4 years & is now retired from national team service as well. Right now, Iran is on a rebuilding mode with some good quality wingmen, point guards & "fours". I think Iran would still be among the elite teams in Asia, but it can longer dominate the way it used to during the late 2000's to mid-2010's.
I think to be a successful team, it requires the right materials & very good coaching. One without the other won't get the job done.
China have more talents in their pool... remember in some qualifiers from 2017 - 2019 that they have 2 set of pool of players alternating every window.. They have more talents than every team in Asia (except Australia).. But they still stuck to old style of basketball era that not fit in this modern style of basketball...
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zairex2
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I think we really need to experiment on putting a lineup of KQ and Tamayo as our 4 and 5
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NOiNU2
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Unpopular opinion but I’d cut on Oftana and Perez’ playing time and give more to guys like Tamayo and Quiambao. A guard rotation of Ramos, Newsome and Brownlee should suffice, with Oftana and Perez providing spot minutes rather than rotation player pt. These two are probably the least impactful of all the rotation players. This coming from an Oftana big fan.
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FilWelsh2
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The national team will go as far as what Kai sotto can go as a basketball player,
Meanwhile in just concluded NBA draft no sign of Kai
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JAMSKIE2
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China have more talents in their pool... remember in some qualifiers from 2017 - 2019 that they have 2 set of pool of players alternating every window.. They have more talents than every team in Asia (except Australia).. But they still stuck to old style of basketball era that not fit in this modern style of basketball...
I'm not talking about depth of talent. I'm talking about the seeming lack of go-to-guy type of players in Chinese basketball right now. There's no question China will always have a deep pool of talent.
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magic_chiongson2
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This is a big reason why I think it would have been better for us to get a good defender at 4/5 as our NP after JB. In case AJ's injured, at least we have another big to help Kai out. 4, so Kai could get reps. 5, so that if Kai sits and AJ's out, we have a big who can anchor the defense.
kouame exists, he's a way better defender than kai & junmar
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magic_chiongson2
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Meanwhile in just concluded NBA draft no sign of Kai
he already went undrafted 2 years ago
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Giannis34GOD2
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kouame exists, he's a way better defender than kai & junmar
If PBA helps Kouame's case, He has a big chance to be a local player..
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Joe Yabuki2
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Watched the game, a couple of some dodgy calls and Newsome keeps slipping. Eitherway Perez needs to improve his defense, losing Scotty hurts our perimeter defence. Pleasantly surprised with Tamayo
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Giannis34GOD2
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I'm not talking about depth of talent. I'm talking about the seeming lack of go-to-guy type of players in Chinese basketball right now. There's no question China will always have a deep pool of talent.
They have... Guo Ailun, Zhou Qi, Wang Zhelin and Zhao Jiwei are the best players in China... The problem for them is that they still stick to the 90's style of basketball.. Just give to the big man and get out of the way.. Even this year's U18 FIBA Asia still the same style for China... Just give to Zhang ZiYu and get out of the way... lucky Asian girls are too small to defend to her... that's why it's effective... But not against Europeans and Americans...
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IPC2
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kouame exists, he's a way better defender than kai & junmar
Yeah, if we don't get a defensive 4/5, Ange is the next best thing. But I said that assuming that Ange doesn't get selected again.
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CoJ2
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Meanwhile in just concluded NBA draft no sign of Kai
He’s part of the 2022 draft class (undrafted)
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TheRodster212
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I think we really need to experiment on putting a lineup of KQ and Tamayo as our 4 and 5
With Tamayo and Quiambao, i still don’t know either if they work in pnr, Quiambao from what I’ve seen of his pnr defense is slow, Tamayo maybe has a better shot and looked decent against Turkey but still a question. Also rim protection near the basket would go down as well. In the fourth they tried Japaeth and Tamayo as the front court and it looked better perimeter wise but had issues closer to the basket.
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TheRodster212
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Unpopular opinion but I’d cut on Oftana and Perez’ playing time and give more to guys like Tamayo and Quiambao. A guard rotation of Ramos, Newsome and Brownlee should suffice, with Oftana and Perez providing spot minutes rather than rotation player pt. These two are probably the least impactful of all the rotation players. This coming from an Oftana big fan.
I think Oftana doesn’t work as a shooter internationally because his release is slower. Same with Newsome
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TheRodster212
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I just want to understand, is the play in the 00:58:00 of 4th Qrt a drop defense coverage.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxAHz74ovgrdHgpses6U_vignROd8oe_5a
This is drop defense, one of the problems with the bigs was not showing at least giving up open shots. I think in the first quarter though Gilas bigs adjusted a bit and started showing more but I guess CTC was experimenting because they started dropping again at some points
newsome was also probably the best perimeter defender being able to navigate through screens and pretty much sticking to guys like glue
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