2024 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament

[JAMSKIE2]

Not in FIBA. Against SoKor in 2017, we gave up 14-21 from 3, and we got knocked out. Against Indonesia in 2022, we gave up 13-31, and we lost the gold medal.

We don't defend as many pick-and-rolls in the PBA too, so we hardly had to scheme.

That is why I'm really in favor of foreign coaches enter the PBA so that the style of game in the PBA would start to look like the FIBA style of game where picks are rampant & players shoot from 3 more. In this way our PBA national team players will get used to the FIBA style of game, hence adjustments from playing in the PBA to playing in FIBA won't be difficult.

 

[IPC2]

That is why I'm really in favor of foreign coaches enter the PBA so that the style of game in the PBA would start to look like the FIBA style of game where picks are rampant & players shoot from 3 more. In this way our PBA national team players will get used to the FIBA style of game, hence adjustments from playing in the PBA to playing in FIBA won't be difficult.

We just saw MERALCO PnR Ginebra and SMB to death, as well as exploit mismatches. They'll have to defend it.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Yes. That's the way to get better - play against these European teams on a regular basis. I mean we should play friendly or even pocket tournaments against European teams, even against lower tier European teams during the off season of professional basketball which is during the June-July-August period. Yun nga lang may 2 malaking problema - its very expensive to travel the team to Europe & have a training camp there & of course our PBA Gilas players won't be available during that period.

Or why bring them here and create mini pocket tourney... even teams such as Portugal, Kosovo, Albania, and even England (Great Britain) is good option, Those low level European teams are equivalent to top ranked Asian team... Because even in 2027, We will surely face a European team... So they have to familiarize early with them... The level in Europe is very high... Lebanon also play in Europe early June and they were massacred against Lithuania's team B... That's how low level Asian competition are... Lebanon is already top teams in Asia but somehow become pasties against even Europe's team B squads...

 

[zairex2]

That is why I'm really in favor of foreign coaches enter the PBA so that the style of game in the PBA would start to look like the FIBA style of game where picks are rampant & players shoot from 3 more. In this way our PBA national team players will get used to the FIBA style of game, hence adjustments from playing in the PBA to playing in FIBA won't be difficult.

I wondered why it did not work for Iran or China when a German and Serbian coach led them. Even Japan was not winning games in WC 2019 until their current coach which uses DDO and Iso not strictly Euro plays

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

The national team will go as far as what Kai sotto can go as a basketball player,

Junmar was way worse than Kai in his early Gilas years... give the kid a break.. In his early years, he is already contributor.. When he reach his prime, I'm sure everyone here will happy... Just trust the process....

 

[IPC2]

That is why I'm really in favor of foreign coaches enter the PBA so that the style of game in the PBA would start to look like the FIBA style of game where picks are rampant & players shoot from 3 more. In this way our PBA national team players will get used to the FIBA style of game, hence adjustments from playing in the PBA to playing in FIBA won't be difficult.

I wondered why it did not work for Iran or China when a German and Serbian coach led them. Even Japan was not winning games in WC 2019 until their current coach which uses DDO and Iso not strictly Euro plays

​Point is, our players have to get used to defending teams like Turkey, Latvia, Japan, and SoKor more frequently. Defend the PnR and defend the 3 while covering the paint.

Iran won back-to-back FIBA Asia golds with a Serbian coach, though he did have the help of their golden generation.

 

[zairex2]

I just mentioned that something new that they were trying out is NOT doing drop down coverage. Kai/JMF are sticking with their man and leaving the task of help defense for the other guys. It seems that CTC has accepted the fact that Kai/JMF can't be effective drop-down-defenders at this level and will just aim to neutralize opposing bigs. It's a big adjustment and is something they have to get more reps on collectively.

I rewatch the 4th quarter and they still do drop coverage when JF is on the floor. The time they were switch everything and man to man is when Japeth was on the floor

I notice their favorite play of Turkey was bringing their SG from the weakside all the way to the strong side. Putting CJ, Justin or Dwight on multiple screens so they will log behind. Then putting JF on the strong side so when the SG recieve the ball its a catch and shoot situation. JF was on drop coverage and was late to cover the SG.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

I wondered why it did not work for Iran or China when a German and Serbian coach led them. Even Japan was not winning games in WC 2019 until their current coach which uses DDO and Iso not strictly Euro plays

Culture matters... Even Korea not hiring foreign coaches... Language barrier, attitudes of every players and coaches has to adjust to the culture of the country they coaching... If Tab Baldwin coaching those countries and saying "Tactical Immatured" to the local coaches, He will get Persona Non Grata there... Tab is lucky that he is in the Philippines...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

PHL Boxscores:


PHI

73 – Brownlee 21, Fajardo 17, Sotto 7, Tamayo 7, Newsome 5, Ramos 4, Aguilar 4, Perez 3, Oftana 3, Quiambao 2, Amos 0.


Junmar, Tamayo, Brownlee got A+ remarks​

Kai and Ramos got A-

The rest got B to C remarks

 

[IPC2]

PHL Boxscores:


PHI

73 – Brownlee 21, Fajardo 17, Sotto 7, Tamayo 7, Newsome 5, Ramos 4, Aguilar 4, Perez 3, Oftana 3, Quiambao 2, Amos 0.


Junmar, Tamayo, Brownlee got A+ remarks​

Kai and Ramos got A-

The rest got B to C remarks

I was actually surprised that Carl got 5 rebounds, 2 of them offensive. He has trouble rebounding outside the Philippines.

 

[zairex2]

Culture matters... Even Korea not hiring foreign coaches... Language barrier, attitudes of every players and coaches has to adjust to the culture of the country they coaching... If Tab Baldwin coaching those countries and saying "Tactical Immatured" to the local coaches, He will get Persona Non Grata there... Tab is lucky that he is in the Philippines...

I agree with you on culture matters. I guess Iran winning with Rajko and Veselin was due mostly because of their golden generation as mentioned by IPC.

 

[reamily2]

Samll usage foir Calvin oftana people should realize that his new tnt role was played by Brownlee so he must really paly loot of off ball and mix inside to see more productivity stat wise.. just dont hesiatte to take open shots is my advice..

 

[IPC2]

Samll usage foir Calvin oftana people should realize that his new tnt role was played by Brownlee so he must really paly loot of off ball and mix inside to see more productivity stat wise.. just dont hesiatte to take open shots is my advice..

And improve his perimeter defense. We don't have many perimeter defenders, and defense is crucial at the wing.

 

[Metta2]

I rewatch the 4th quarter and they still do drop coverage when JF is on the floor. The time they were switch everything and man to man is when Japeth was on the floor

I notice their favorite play of Turkey was bringing their SG from the weakside all the way to the strong side. Putting CJ, Justin or Dwight on multiple screens so they will log behind. Then putting JF on the strong side so when the SG recieve the ball its a catch and shoot situation. JF was on drop coverage and was late to cover the SG.

You watched a 4th quarter and you already made a conclusion. Watch the whole Mustangs game and the rest of yesterday's game. Better yet, also watch Yeshkel's recent video, he explained it in layman's terms.

Just like any team in any game, they employed different types of defenses.

 

[yogaflame2]

Kai is very stubborn. Kai has to learn to jump just straight up with arms raise when going for the block and defending. He needs to watch Chet and Wemby or even Edu how they defend, they just jump nd raise there arms. He does not need to push, handcheck or shove the player he is defending. He has a very long arms and can jump high so, use it.

 

[zairex2]

You watched a 4th quarter and you already made a conclusion. Watch the whole Mustangs game and the rest of yesterday's game. Better yet, also watch Yeshkel's recent video, he explained it in layman's terms.

Just like any team in any game, they employed different types of defenses.

I watch both games in full and rewatch some parts but focus more on Turkey as it closer to our opponents in OQT than other opponent. I don't compare our game with Taiwan and HK as they don't also not near the talent levels. But I do still watch then to see our plays.

I don't give too much weight on Yeshkel as some if his analysis are not in depth like his play identification is not accurate
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​I believe more on analysis of Bakits.

I am open to discuss any mistake I make in my own analysis
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[Metta2]

I watch both games in full and rewatch some parts but focus more on Turkey as it closer to our opponents in OQT than other opponent. I don't compare our game with Taiwan and HK as they don't also not near the talent levels. But I do still watch then to see our plays.

I don't give too much weight on Yeshkel as some if his analysis are not in depth like his play identification is not accurate
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​I believe more on analysis of Bakits.

I am open to discuss any mistake I make in my own analysis
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Yeshkel's video is worthwhile because he edited it with slow motion to easily see what D I was talking about.

Now I remember, you're the guy who said Japan was nothing compared to us before the World Cup and that their national program's emphasis on shooting/pace and space won't amount to much. I also remember explaining to you how a 2-3 zone is easily busted by a team with shooters (something a high school player already knows).

 

[zairex2]

Kai is very stubborn. Kai has to learn to jump just straight up with arms raise when going for the block and defending. He needs to watch Chet and Wemby or even Edu how they defend, they just jump nd raise there arms. He does not need to push, handcheck or shove the player he is defending. He has a very long arms and can jump high so, use it.

I also wonder about that. He does bring down his hands alot or raise one hand rather than two.

It could be just a habit but he has been training with US trainer and they could have advise him to be large in defense. I have seen a trainer said to Kai that he don't know how tall he actually is and can easily intimidate opponents by jumping straight up.

I have a theory that he might be protecting his mid section by arm bar to soften blow from big opponents. He had two incident in BLeague were he got hut in mid section and was taken out immediately and only came back in half time.

 

[zairex2]

Yeshkel's video is worthwhile because he edited it with slow motion to easily see what D I was talking about.

Now I remember, you're the guy who said Japan was nothing compared to us before the World Cup and that their national program's emphasis on shooting/pace and space won't amount to much. I also remember explaining to you how a 2-3 zone is easily busted by a team with shooters (something a high school player already knows).

I remember that discussion, I thought that Japan was going to do a Korean style of offense. One big in the middle and shooters all around. They dump it inside to Ratliff and if he got double kick it out to shooters.

What I didn't expect from Japan was to do like us, go dribble drive and beat their opponents by one on one. Not all the time but more Thant what I accustomed to see with them. Would you thought they will let their guards to do a Jayson Castrol play, one on top and everyone spread out.
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[Metta2]

I remember that discussion, I thought that Japan was going to do a Korean style of offense. One big in the middle and shooters all around. They dump it inside to Ratliff and if he got double kick it out to shooters.

What I didn't expect from Japan was to do like us, go dribble drive and beat their opponents by one on one. Not all the time but more Thant what I accustomed to see with them. Would you thought they will let their guards to do a Jayson Castrol play, one on top and everyone spread out.
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Nah, you know what you said about Japan (and modern basketball in general), and I kept calling you out about it. You said to bring up mistakes in your analysis. Your analysis of Japan did not age well.

I also remember this because this is how you started then, seemingly level-headed. Then you turned into a full-on troll when you tried defending Chot against bashers. I wasn't one of those Chot haters though, I just remember how you changed. I'm pretty sure many here remember it.