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2024 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament

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paliganibossalfrancis said:
We have/had bunch of D1 players in Gilas. Lassiter, Lutz, Pringle, Kelly, Ahanmisi, Gabe, Dillinger, Standhardinger, Japeth, Asi, Ross, Dwight, AJ, Kobe, Jamie, Rike... D1 doesn't matter that much in FIBA, it's your professional pedigree. How does the market appraise a player's value in the pro ranks? Pang PBA lang ba or pwede sa mas competitive na league? Sadly a lot of our D1s are international league/NBA rejects..
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but out of all those you mentioned, its only Japeth and Kobe who were products of PH basketball. everyone else learned basketball in another country before going here. what some posters here are hoping, is we(and SBP and all other stakeholders) find a way so we can develop D1 talent in country. will they dominate FIBA or even D1 games? we dont know, but having that confidence we can develop to this level gives both our youth and senior teams a steady stream of potential talent that is above what we have now.
 
Do you guys watch Brazilian league NBB? A little boring league but still levels higher than the PBA. Format is like those in B.League - promotion-relegation. Louzada, Lucas Dias and De Paula are playing in this league.
 
paliganibossalfrancis said:
We have/had bunch of D1 players in Gilas. Lassiter, Lutz, Pringle, Kelly, Ahanmisi, Gabe, Dillinger, Standhardinger, Japeth, Asi, Ross, Dwight, AJ, Kobe, Jamie, Rike... D1 doesn't matter that much in FIBA, it's your professional pedigree. How does the market appraise a player's value in the pro ranks? Pang PBA lang ba or pwede sa mas competitive na league? Sadly a lot of our D1s are international league/NBA rejects.

Plus it's a long shot for our youth to end up in D1 since these programs will always prioritize American citizens, we should rather focus on improving our domestic competition from grassroots to pros. Problem is we get too complacent because tayo tayo lang naman ang naglalaro. Really, Philippine basketball is only for local consumption, too insular. Also be open to players playing overseas if our leagues have no vision on how to increase level of competition. Bleague has done it in a very short amount of time why can't PBA at least try?? PBA has to improve its league. Its marketability and profitability so our players don't leave. Our players are improving because we continue to play but the cream of the crop opt to go outside because of better competition and opportunities. We have to entice them and give them a reason to stay home. If we wanna be the "best league in Asia", PBA needs to market itself as such. Find ways to increase audience locally/internationally and revamp the whole concept of the league. BLeague and NBL's beeen doing this and look at their growth. Astronomical.
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The fact that you put Rike in there means you don't really understand D1. And to be clear Im talking about homegrown talent since we cant really control the development of FilFors.
 
C2Hamm said:
but out of all those you mentioned, its only Japeth and Kobe who were products of PH basketball. everyone else learned basketball in another country before going here. what some posters here are hoping, is we(and SBP and all other stakeholders) find a way so we can develop D1 talent in country. will they dominate FIBA or even D1 games? we dont know, but having that confidence we can develop to this level gives both our youth and senior teams a steady stream of potential talent that is above what we have now.
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Very important point. Developing homegrown D1 players means we have gotten over the hump of developing players with height and athleticism with the right amount of skill.

It is a very good barometer of the quality of our local youth development system.

Also...there should be a distinction between which D1 teams our players make. There are more than 300 D1 teams with a wide variety in quality.
 
Sikatrix said:
The fact that you put Rike in there means you don't really understand D1. And to be clear Im talking about homegrown talent since we cant really control the development of FilFors.
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​​​​​​He's still D1. He still was part of Gilas and was a non-factor. Aside from naturalized players we've always counted on D1 players to save our a$$es because our homegrowns and local pro league players are underwhelming. My point is in the international scene it does not matter whether you're D1 D2 D3, we had an NBA player and d1 Gabe Norwood in 2014 and we were still considered underdogs... what matters more is where our players play professionally. The main question we should be asking is do they play against top international talent on a regular basis? That's what happened with Dwight, Kai, KBL and the BLeague boys, not all of them came from D1 but most of them play against some of the best in the world professionally hence there's no more element of surprise or intimidation.
 
paliganibossalfrancis said:
​​​​​​He's still D1. He still was part of Gilas and was a non-factor. Aside from naturalized players we've always counted on D1 players to save our a$$es because our homegrowns and local pro league players are underwhelming. My point is in the international scene it does not matter whether you're D1 D2 D3, we had an NBA player and d1 Gabe Norwood in 2014 and we were still considered underdogs... what matters more is where our players play professionally. The main question we should be asking is do they play against top international talent on a regular basis? That's what happened with Dwight, Kai, KBL and the BLeague boys, not all of them came from D1 but most of them play against some of the best in the world professionally hence there's no more element of surprise or intimidation.
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Let me explain. There is a massive difference between a walk on and a scholarship athlete. The NCAA only allows 13 scholarship athletes and schools allow walks on to complete the squad, almost always as practice players. They have to pay there own way and that means spending about 2 million pesos a year just to be part of the team.

Walk ons like Rike are mostly there for the education and arent really that good. Same with the Ronzone twins and Ryan Wetherell. They dont deserve to be put in the same category as the scholarship athletes to put it bluntly.
 
Please have her children, Junemar! And let them train in Europe but be part of our youth team. hahaha
 
Sikatrix said:
Let me explain. There is a massive difference between a walk on and a scholarship athlete. The NCAA only allows 13 scholarship athletes and schools allow walks on to complete the squad, almost always as practice players. They have to pay there own way and that means spending about 2 million pesos a year just to be part of the team.

Walk ons like Rike are mostly there for the education and arent really that good. Same with the Ronzone twins and Ryan Wetherell. They dont deserve to be put in the same category as the scholarship athletes to put it bluntly.
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And your point is? Lmao. Walk on or recruit, D1 does not matter much in the international basketball context, especially in Europe, Africa and in Oceania. What matters is the highest possible level of professional basketball one can play at, that's the true indicator of one's talent.
 
paliganibossalfrancis said:
And your point is? Lmao. Walk on or recruit, D1 does not matter much in the international basketball context, especially in Europe, Africa and in Oceania. What matters is the highest possible level of professional basketball one can play at, that's the true indicator of one's talent.
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Do you also understand how European recruiting works? Being D1 is great, especially if you produce since the top names have the teams going to them. If you dont have a name, from D1 or wherever, you have to pay your own way. Basically attend overseas basketball tryouts orcamps and hope you get a spot. D1 means you are more likely to succeed but obviously aint a guarantee, look at Keyshawn Meeker. At the end of the day, I just want pinoys to succeed at the highest level and right now high level D1 is the spot wherein that is most likely.
 
Sikatrix said:
Do you also understand how European recruiting works? Being D1 is great, especially if you produce since the top names have the teams going to them. If you dont have a name, from D1 or wherever, you have to pay your own way. Basically attend overseas basketball tryouts orcamps and hope you get a spot. D1 means you are more likely to succeed but obviously aint a guarantee, look at Keyshawn Meeker. At the end of the day, I just want pinoys to succeed at the highest level and right now high level D1 is the spot wherein that is most likely.
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European recruitment is totally different. They become pros at a very young age. This is not applicable in the PH setting because of culture and economic condition in the country.

And that's exactly my point, being D1 does not automatically guarantee success in FIBA or heck, even in the PBA. Look at Jamie Malonzo struggling in FIBA Worlds and Valandre Chauca not even cracking a PBA lineup.

It's almost impossible for Filipinos to make it to D1 but that does not necessarily mean our youth can't have successful pro or national team careers.

Not all has the resources to relocate to US. Not everybody can afford high school and living expenses in a first world country like Kobe Paras. Not all can be sponsored like Andy Gemao. It's not practical to aim for D1.

What we can do rather, is to improve grassroots and high school level basketball in the country so they won't have to overstay in UAAP / NCAA circuits before becoming fully pledged pros. We're still stuck in the practices of the past where one must use up all his eligibility years before being considered pro-ready.

We have to improve our own high school basketball ranks and collegiate basketball ranks to the point where we have a reputation of producing Pro-ready and Gilas-ready talents at an early age. And to the point where we don't have to resort to recruiting Fil-ams expecting them to save our a$$es because our homegrowns are underperforming. We have to find a way to fast track their development. Just look at our sorry U17 Team
 
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