2023 WC Final

[Killer Bob2]

Eurobasket counts as 1
Olympics ounts as 2
World Cup counts as 2,5!

Latvia in last 2 years- 21-3 record
Latvia started with lowest seed possible(which matters in this case) and winning all best seeds possible!
If Germany was 30th seed like Latvia then they would be rank leader by now.


Latvia in last 2 years lost only to Germany, Serbia, Canada (all medalists)
Slovenia lost to Bosnia, Poland only in Eurobasket 2022!

I said the rankings are ridiculous, who cares if Slovenia lost to Bosnia, if they have won their group in Eurobasket, beating France, Lithuania and Germany. That lost against Bosnia was meaningless.
On the other hand Latvia didn't even qualify for Eurobasket, because they have lost 2x to Bolgaria and BIH. It's difficult to lose matches in Eurobaset and Olympics, if you're not good enough for playing there.

You can't advance from 30th place to 8th place just because you have won against 3 good teams, 1 in meaningless game, after being nowhere since 2017. 3 wins? Lol

France has won silver in last Olympics and last Eurobasket and is behind Latvia, who didn't do anything, except 5 place in WC. Wtf?

What Fiba does with windows and these ridiculous rankings is socialism par excellence.

 

[basketfann2]

I said the rankings are ridiculous, who cares if Slovenia lost to Bosnia, if they have won their group in Eurobasket, beating France, Lithuania and Germany. That lost against Bosnia was meaningless.
On the other hand Latvia didn't even qualified for Eurobasket, because they have lost 2x to Bolgaria and BIH. It's difficult to lose matches in Eurobaset and Olympics, if you're not good enough for playing there.

You can't advance from 30th place to 8th place just because you have won against 3 good teams, 1 in meaningless game, after being nowhere since 2017.

Latvia was always like 30th seed team (because we don't play in biggest tournaments)
Slovenia after Olympics was top seed team and losing every game against lower seed matters.

Latvia hasn't lost against lower seed in last 2 years but winning like 10 games against top20 teams and games with big margins.

Good results, lower seeding and big margins is better than just good results. This is how FIBA ranking is made.

 

[Killer Bob2]

Latvia was always like 30th seed team (because we don't play in biggest tournaments)
Slovenia after Olympics was top seed team and losing every game against lower seed matters.

Latvia hasn't lost against lower seed in last 2 years but winning like 10 games against top20 teams and games with big margins.

Good results, lower seeding and big margins is better than just good results. This is how FIBA ranking is made.

You're telling me, that winning group in Eurobasket while losing meaningless game against Bosnia is worse than Latvia not playing there because they have lost twice against Bulgaria and Bosnia in qualifying games? Lol

Or are you telling me that France, who has winning medals repeatedly should be ranked lower than Latvia, because they played 2 bad games in WC?

I understand that's because Fiba's ridiculous socialist ranking system, but it's still incredibly stupid.

 

[basketfann2]

I guess this ranking is not working when 30th place team is beating all teams in 2 year period.
For me personally- France, Lithuania, Slovenia should be higher in rankings.

 

[Killer Bob2]

I guess this ranking is not working when 30th place team is beating all teams in 2 year period.
For me personally- Lithuania, Slovenia should be higher in rankings.

...and France. It's not only about places but about points too. Latvia is for some reason close to Germany.

 

[basketfann2]

You're telling me, that winning group in Eurobasket while losing meaningless game against Bosnia is worse than Latvia not playing there because they have lost twice against Bulgaria and Bosnia in qualifying games? Lol

Or are you telling me that France, who has winning medals repeatedly should be ranked lower than Latvia, because they played 2 bad games in WC?

I understand that's because Fiba's ridiculous socialist ranking system, but it's still incredibly stupid.

I think FIFA ranking works like this too but they don't have margin points and they don't have World Cup 2,5, Eurobasket 1.0

Just wins, and higher, lower seed wins.

 

[basketfann2]

...and France. It's not only about places but about points too. Latvia is for some reason close to Germany.

This is funny. We get medals from FIBA ranking.

In ice hockey we get medal but not ranking points

In basketball we don't get but get FIBA ranking points.

For me IIHF ranking just for places is better.(not margins, or seeds)

 

[Killer Bob2]

This is funny. We get medals from FIBA ranking.

I guess it would have been very close between Germany and Latvia, if Germany had lost the final. So Germany basically had to win Olympics qualification tournament, be 8th in Olympics, 3rd in Eurobasket and 1st in WC to be in front of Latvia.

 

[basketfann2]

I guess it would have been very close between Germany and Latvia, if Germany had lost the final. So Germany basically had to win Olympics qualification tournament, be 8th in Olympics, 3rd in Eurobasket and 1st in WC to be in front of Latvia.

In ice hockey we are lower than in basketball despite winning bronze and playing in Olympics(10th place in ranking)
In basketball(no medal, no Olympics but 8th place in ranking)!

 

[Killer Bob2]

In ice hockey we are lower than in basketball despite winning bronze and playing in Olympics(10th place in ranking)
In basketball(no medal, no Olympics but 8th place in ranking)!

Everything what Fiba does is some egalitarian nonsense. Windows are the reason that some good teams are not playing in big competitions. Than you have nonsense that games against teams that are not going forward counts in next round, easier groups with clear advantage there. And then you finally have this ratings system, which is in place for the same reason, socialistic egalitarian ratings.

 

[basketfann2]

Everything what Fiba does is some egalitarian nonsense. Windows are the reason that some good teams are not playing in big competitions. Than you have nonsense that games against teams that are not going forward counts in next round, easier groups with clear advantage there. And then you finally have this ratings system, which is in place for the same reason, socialistic egalitarian ratings.

Slovenia not in 2019 World Cup was biggest wtf ever.
Champion is not playing in World Cup "because we decided different ".

 

[Tesla2]

Great to hear a player not afraid to say this...

Obst: “The NBA can call themselves whatever they want, we are the World Champions”
​https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurole...hatever-they-want-we-are-the-world-champions/


“In the NBA they say they are World Champions because the best players in the world play there, but they are still Champions of the domestic league, and we in Germany are the Champions of a World Cup”, he commented on the much-discussed topic of the days.

“In the NBA, they have always had this attitude, that they are the best at something and you can certainly characterize them with many different things. It’s funny that people are still talking about it. They can call themselves whatever they want, the bottom line doesn’t change. We are the world champions”.
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[Straight forward2]

FIBA 2023 is a big triumph of fundamentally sound, disciplined and tactical basketball that European powerhouses provide. USA looked like uncoached team, amateur or lazy in terms of coaching (no even proper scouting of opponents). Canada also survived mainly because of talent. Kyle Hines was absolutely right saying “I’d say the NBA is checkers and Europe is chess" and Durant reacted like an idiot TBH. No-one question that NBA has the best individual talent, but Europe is way ahead in terms of tactics, discipline, tram culture, fundamentals of basketball. NBA is ISO skill and athleticism heaven while in all other aspects of the game it's inferior to Europe. FOA, who are the best passers in the NBA now? Easy - Jokic and Doncic. They are most fundamentally sound players in the world ATM and barely anyone are close. The worst part for USA is that their basketball even declining. They don't have such players as Bird, Magic, Stockton, Duncan, Lebron anymore. Mainly USA produce pure scorers now. You barely find fundamentally sound magicians. Super talented scorers - yes. Super talented fundamentally sound all around freaks as Doncic? Not a single one. FIBA Europe powerhouses rule in terms of providing highest culture of basketball. That can be overcome only with ridiculous amount of talent that USA (or now Canada) can bring occasionally (meaning in a more primitive way).



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[basketfann2]

Europe is ahead with coaches. Because there are thousand professionals coaches in youth level and in professional level.(personal training)
However in USA there are only high school(different coach skillset), NCAA coaches, NBA level coaches.
In Europe basketball teaching in sport schools but in USA not in sport schools.
USA is making athletes but Europe is making basketball professors.

However NBA is athlete league and professors are not fit enough to compete with athletes.
When you get strong and fit professors(Doncic, Jokic)- you win.
I will add Ginobili in this case