2023 WC Final

[reamily2]

So again manila to the rescue...we would like to give cebu a try but the arena isnt build yet..(I see Lithuanians connect a flight to Manila via cebu last woprld cup)

 

[Dirtyh2]

Brazil, Philipines and Spain are ready to host. Then one tournament is hosted by Qatar or United Arab Emirates.

BTW; everybody is guessing does Embiid play for USA or France. Is he said somewhere that he is not playing for Cameroon? They qualified to OQT. And what about Siakam?

 

[Ridirkulous2]

Brazil, Philipines and Spain are ready to host. Then one tournament is hosted by Qatar or United Arab Emirates.

BTW; everybody is guessing does Embiid play for USA or France. Is he said somewhere that he is not playing for Cameroon? They qualified to OQT. And what about Siakam?

Exactly: if Embiid plays with USA/France while his fellow Cameroonians are still trying to qualify, he really is just a troll. With Siakam and Koloko they really would have a strong front court. He can get for sure an NBA level guard to join as a naturalised even (his teammate Tyrese Maxey??) and really have concrete chances!

 

[R1ou2]

Qatar and UAE didn't even qualify for the OQT, how they are going to host?

As for Phillipines, that's far from being a wise move for them. After 2014, they have gone winless in the last two OQTs and 2019 WC, while they recorded one victory in 5 or 6 games in this tournament. What makes them so confident to throw away 3M to get knocked out by a Euro team ?

 

[Dirtyh2]

Qatar and UAE didn't even qualify for the OQT, how they are going to host?

Because nobody else doens't want to pay 3M to Fiba. I wouldn't be surprised If both of them will host.

Indonesia just hosted WC without their on NT. It's money and nothing else matter.

 

[R1ou2]

For Qatar or any other non qualified team to host, a team that earned their qualification to OQT would have to be replaced by them, pretty much what happened with Turkey who got Lebanon's place in 2016.

 

[Shawshank2]

Wow new fiba rankings is something.I have no clue how they are calculating.

Latvia suddenly is 8th in rankings from 30th place in February

with 5th place finish Latvia in world cup in rating jumped over Slovenia,France,Lithuania,Greece,Italy


By new fiba rankins strenght pots for olympic qualification should look like this:


pot 1 Spain,Latvia,Lithuania,Slovenia

pot 2 Brasil,Italy,Greece,Poland

 

[reamily2]

Wow new fiba rankings is something.I have no clue how they are calculating.

Latvia suddenly is 8th in rankings from 30th place in February

with 5th place finish Latvia in world cup in rating jumped over Slovenia,France,Lithuania,Greece,Italy


By new fiba rankins strenght pots for olympic qualification should look like this:


pot 1 Spain,Latvia,Lithuania,Slovenia

pot 2 Brasil,Italy,Greece,Poland

I will reward the fifth place world cup team with an easy group..and get others in free for all (meeting Bahamas)

 

[Shawshank2]

The FIBA ​​updates the ranking after the World Cup and this is how the pots of the draw for the pre-Olympics will be defined

Pot 1
Spain
Latvia
Lithuania
Slovenia

Pot 2
Brazil
Italy
Greece
Poland

Pot 3
Puerto Rico
Montenegro
Dominican Republic
Finland

Pot 4
New Zealand
Georgia
Mexico
Lebanon

Pot 5
Croatia
Ivory Coast
Angola
Philippines

Pot 6
Egypt
Bahamas
Cameroon
Bahrain

July 2-7, 2024
4 tournaments of 6 teams each and winners qualifes to Olympics


I translated it from ​

La Olimpipedia

​

 

[Killer Bob2]

Wow new fiba rankings is something.I have no clue how they are calculating.

Latvia suddenly is 8th in rankings from 30th place in February

with 5th place finish Latvia in world cup in rating jumped over Slovenia,France,Lithuania,Greece,Italy


By new fiba rankins strenght pots for olympic qualification should look like this:


pot 1 Spain,Latvia,Lithuania,Slovenia

pot 2 Brasil,Italy,Greece,Poland

This is a joke, like everything in Fiba. Latvia had great WC, but you can go from 30 to 8 just because you beat Lithuania in meaningless game for 5th place. Lithuania was first in the group winning against USA. On the other hand you have silver medalist Serbia behind Australia. Something is wrong.

 

[basketfann2]

This is a joke, like everything in Fiba. Latvia had great WC, but you can go from 30 to 8 just because you beat Lithuania in meaningless game for 5th place. Lithuania was first in the group winning against USA. On the other hand you have silver medalist Serbia behind Australia. Something is wrong.

Latvia beat Spain(nr1), France(nr6), Lithuania(nr8), Italy(nr10), Brazil(nr13)!
Only Canada and Latvia(beat nr1) and many other good teams!
Latvia(as nr 30) beat many favorites, and beat with huge margins.

You get most points if you are very low seed, and win by big margins!

Latvia lost only to two teams outside top10(which is good), if they lost to top 3 teams(they don't get points as much)

We can thank to other two latvian coaches(they didn't play in 2019 World Cup, 2022 Eurobasket)!

So basically latvian ranking consists only Eurobasket 2017, World Cup 2023!

Most top20 teams played in 4, 5 tournaments!(where they get more losses)

 

[Cameronwraitz2]

This is a joke, like everything in Fiba. Latvia had great WC, but you can go from 30 to 8 just because you beat Lithuania in meaningless game for 5th place. Lithuania was first in the group winning against USA. On the other hand you have silver medalist Serbia behind Australia. Something is wrong.

Serbia (number 6) still had a defeat from lower-ranking Italy (number 10), which is why it earned 45 points, and not even more. Australia simply had a lead.

System seems to be very focused on knockout games and some 8-year-ago tournaments r not taken into account anymore – thus deletes Serbia good performance in 2015 from ranking

 

[basketfann2]

Latvia vs Spain 29 positions, France 24 positions, Lithuania 22 positions, Italy 20 positions, Brazil 17 positions!

Germany(-19 positions), Canada(-15 positions)!!

112-34= 78 winning positions(against highest ranking opponents)- giving the most points in tournament by far!

Canada

Spain 14 positions, France 9 positions, Brazil 2 positions,

Slovenia 4 positions, USA 13 positions

Serbia(-9 positions)!

so Canada 42-9= 33 positions(against higher ranking opponents)​

most teams didn't get as many points from other opponents because they are high seed


Sometimes bad coaching helps to get high up in the rankings


Some people even in media ask Banchi to coach Latvian national football team(now he signed contract Virtus)

 

[Shawshank2]

So if basketfan is right this how fiba counts rankings

This counting system is most idiotic I have ever seen

So basically Latvia got more points winning one group game vs France than France themself got for winning silver medal last year?

 

[basketfann2]

So if basketfan is right this how fiba counts rankings

This counting system is most idiotic I have ever seen

So basically Latvia got more points winning one group game vs France than France themself got for winning silver medal last year?

How often you see team nr30 beating team nr1 and nr6?

And this is not football where team nr30 can beat nr1, nr6!

You can look this way- team who not played In Eurobasket 2022(not the best top24 Euro team) beat top teams in the world.

And this is World Cup which gives most points(WC gives 2,5 points, OS 2 and Eurobasket gets 1)!

 

[Killer Bob2]

Latvia beat Spain(nr1), France(nr6), Lithuania(nr8), Italy(nr10), Brazil(nr13)!
Only Canada and Latvia(beat nr1) and many other good teams!
Latvia(as nr 30) beat many favorites, and beat with huge margins.

You get most points if you are very low seed, and win by big margins!

Latvia lost only to two teams outside top10(which is good), if they lost to top 3 teams(they don't get points as much)

We can thank to other two latvian coaches(they didn't play in 2019 World Cup, 2022 Eurobasket)!

So basically latvian ranking consists only Eurobasket 2017, World Cup 2023!

Most top20 teams played in 4, 5 tournaments!(where they get more losses)

But this's laughable, you can't have ratings for games 6 years ago.

So you're telling me, that Slovenia would have been 1st, if they didn't play any other tournament before 2017 and after?

 

[Killer Bob2]

So if basketfan is right this how fiba counts rankings

This counting system is most idiotic I have ever seen

So basically Latvia got more points winning one group game vs France than France themself got for winning silver medal last year?

Fiba is the most idiotic organisation ever. They lost best European clubs because of their idiotic management and looking at this ratings and referees, it's like looking at amateur organisation.

 

[DenverJokic2]

I’m still confused on how Argentina is till in the top 10 after missing on the WC and Olympics.

 

[basketfann2]

But this's laughable, you can't have ratings for games 6 years ago.

So you're telling me, that Slovenia would have been 1st, if they didn't play any other tournament before 2017 and after?

World Cup gives the most points, than Olympics, than Eurobasket!

If Slovenia was ranked like 20th place and beatings all favorites and winning World cup they get to the podium in World rankings.

 

[basketfann2]

I’m still confused on how Argentina is till in the top 10 after missing on the WC and Olympics.

Olympics will count later, but they get points from 2019 World cup just smaller amount.