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2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

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That is why the likes of Jayson Perkins who came here in 2012 when he was still 20 yrs. old to supposedly play for San Beda at that time under then coach Frankie Lim but choose DLSU(2013 to 2016) instead because the laters eventual resignation(?) at that time. Start playing as a college student in a commercial league like D-League from 2015 to 2017; start playing a full-time professional from 2017 up to the present; already represented the country in a 3x3 team via 2019 SEA Games.

As for Ange Koume we have to be patient on him a little bit despite the fact that he already satisfied all the requirements for that basketball heritage provision as well as the so-called Marginal Case due to economic reason with his family’s consent and approval.

As for BGR(it’s a long shot but still had a small window on it) despite the fact that he may probably acquired his PH Pass during his final(?) collegiate year at UC Riverside 2016-2018 before his stint at Alab Pilipinas 2019-2020 season when he still 21 to 23 years old. I think to make a strong case buildup, he needs to present a document that he spent some time during his minor and adolescent years alongside his Kuya Matt in the country considering his older brother was born here hence classified as a local and the amount of involvement from from the domestic leagues like the PBA 3x3 and 5v5; represented the country from his Alab days, SEA Games 2021 via Gilas 3x3 team and the recently concluded 2023 SEA Games Gilas 5x5.​
 
The principle and concept being encouraged and promoted by FIBA by how it framed its eligibility rules is very clear and simple:

Develop and raise home base players using your own program. (Litterally youth development program residing in your country). Thst should be very easy to understand and appreciate. And why there is an emphasis on age of residency developed in the countries program. (Basketball heritage)
 
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Over the years SBP obtained exemptions, I believe we are quite up to the mark in this regard. Their track record includes players like Lutz, Lassiter, Malonso, Newsome, Adams, Ahanmisi and Winston. Do I missed someone?
 
FilWelsh said:
Over the years SBP obtained exemptions, I believe we are quite up to the mark in this regard. Their track record includes players like Lutz, Lassiter, Malonso, Newsome, Adams, Ahanmisi and Winston. Do I missed someone?
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Greg Slaughter in 2019, though he was only tapped for one window during the 2019 WC qualifiers
 
FilWelsh said:
Over the years SBP obtained exemptions, I believe we are quite up to the mark in this regard. Their track record includes players like Lutz, Lassiter, Malonso, Newsome, Adams, Ahanmisi and Winston. Do I missed someone?
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And to your earlier point , if they only lobby for players they need , then why did they spend both time and money on Ahanmisi , Winston, guards which we are loaded in which we will hardly need and use.
 
CoJ said:
Greg Slaughter in 2019, though he was only tapped for one window during the 2019 WC qualifiers
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And here is the thing if you read carefully the reason provided by the late sec general on the rational on why Greg was approved including when the application was made. You will clearly see Greg already met the requirements as early as around 2011, yet the request was only made around 2019, as such the delay. Basically years residency as a pro over 22 yrs old is unnecessary.
 
DAdmiral said:
And here is the thing if you read carefully the reason provided by the late sec general on the rational on why Greg was approved including when the application was made. You will clearly see Greg already met the requirements as early as around 2011, yet the request was only made around 2019, as such the delay. Basically years residency as a pro over 22 yrs old is unnecessary.
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Ayun as early as 2011 we didnt see the best of greg play in gilas when they need him the most 2015-2016 hahah SBP..
 
DAdmiral said:
And to your earlier point , if they only lobby for players they need , then why did they spend both time and money on Ahanmisi , Winston, guards which we are loaded in which we will hardly need and use.
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Winston is not an exemption case IRC.
 
Rds said:
Winston is not an exemption case IRC.
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Regardless the SBP still had to allocate resources to work on his case to get FIBA clearance. I think same case with Malonzo and Mav..

Do note all fil foreigners (dual citizens) regardless if they got passport after 16, much more if NOT (Mavs, Wright, Gamber , Spencer , Zain etce etc) still need to get FIBA clearance before playing
 
FilWelsh said:
how about Mav Ahanmisi did SBP also shouldered bill or cost for his exemption? Considering prior to his FIBA clearance last year he is been out of Gilas pipeline for a while. And SBP sponsored him instead of Hermoso? I don’t get it.
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I don't know about that but i heard he has already passport before he reach 16... So i guess he's already eligible in the first place....
 
Giannis34GOD said:
I don't know about that but i heard he has already passport before he reach 16... So i guess he's already eligible in the first place....
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That's the thing you really don't know the details of the situation to arrive with a conclusion on how things really work. You speculate and make assumptions to arrive with conclusions on how things really are

Actually NO Mav did not have a passpoet before 16, but had a verifiable document thst he applied for a passport before his 16th birthday, but here is the thing regardless if it's not technically a exemption case, the SBP has to allocate time and money to facilitate getting Mav's clearance, debunking this mis informed belief of your that the SBP only lobbies and works on clearance or exceptions for players it sees worthy and needs. . This is plain and simple NOT true.
 
DAdmiral said:
That's the thing you really don't know the details of the situation to arrive with a conclusion on how things really work. You speculate and make assumptions to arrive with conclusions on how things really are

Actually NO Mav did not have a passpoet before 16, but had a verifiable document thst he applied for a passport before his 16th birthday, but here is the thing regardless if it's not technically a exemption case, the SBP has to allocate time and money to facilitate getting Mav's clearance, debunking this mis informed belief of your that the SBP only lobbies and works on clearance or exceptions for players it sees worthy and needs. . This is plain and simple NOT true.
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That's why i said I don't know since i'm not familiar with how SBP doing their work there (You know it because you're claming that you are SBP insider)... But my question to you still you didn't answer why the likes of Jawato, Lish, Young and Morgan get their exemption case even all of them didn't born on their respective countries, live and studied there? They all came just to play PRO basketball same as Cstand, Ross and Pringle.. As you said, there are cut offs and they should been there since their young age... But those names that i mentioned didn't do that and still getting exemptions? Your assumption is still NOT valid...
 
The SEA games are over and I still think the reasons why some players begged out were BS. Like Mikey Williams, his reason why he begged out is that his father was getting married but I have been following his IG since he became a TNT player but I still haven't seen in his IG stories of his father getting married. lol
 
Remember, Morgan of Thailand was classified as Naturalized player back in 2018 Pre qualifiers, Then all of sudden he became local last year... He didn't born in Thailand, study and live there at young age... He came to Thailand on his early 20's just to play PRO...That's why Cstand, Pringle and any Ineligible players still has shot to get their exemption status if SBP lobby their case...
 
Giannis34GOD said:
That's why i said I don't know since i'm not familiar with how SBP doing their work there (You know it because you're claming that you are SBP insider)... But my question to you still you didn't answer why the likes of Jawato, Lish, Young and Morgan get their exemption case even all of them didn't born on their respective countries, live and studied there? They all came just to play PRO basketball same as Cstand, Ross and Pringle.. As you said, there are cut offs and they should been there since their young age... But those names that i mentioned didn't do that and still getting exemptions? Your assumption is still NOT valid...
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Didn't I tell you, what exception fallacy means? Just research look it up, citing exceptional cases does NOT mean that's how things really work..
plan and simple the purpose of thr U16 rule is to encourage federations to raise and develop kids while young in the country. Comprehend?
 
DAdmiral said:
Didn't I tell you, what exception fallacy means? Just research look it up, citing exceptional cases does NOT mean that's how things really work..
plan and simple the purpose of thr U16 rule is to encourage federations to raise and develop kids while young in the country. Comprehend?
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I know that, But you insisting before that they should been there since their young age, studied and live there... But those names didn't do that... Assuming this, If Cstand, Pringle, Mikey were have roots in Indonesia, Thailand or Vietnam, they will have a chance being exempted there than in the Philippines, If they follow how Lish, Young, Jawato and Morgan route for their local status... Let's be real here... They didn't get exemptions even they have a chance because SBP are afraid that if they get their local status, they will have a chance to go in other Asian leagues as Asian quota imports, That's why SBP are not keen to do that... they put them all in dog house just to serve PBA's interest only.... Cstand, Pringle, Ross and other Fil-foreign ineligibles are in same situation as Jawato, Lish, Morgan and Young....
 
Giannis34GOD said:
I know that, But you insisting before that they should been there since their young age, studied and live there... But those names didn't do that... Assuming this, If Cstand, Pringle, Mikey were have roots in Indonesia, Thailand or Vietnam, they will have a chance being exempted there than in the Philippines, If they follow how Lish, Young, Jawato and Morgan route for their local status... Let's be real here... They didn't get exemptions even they have a chance because SBP are afraid that if they get their local status, they will have a chance to go in other Asian leagues as Asian quota imports, That's why SBP are not keen to do that... they put them all in dog house just to serve PBA's interest only.... Cstand, Pringle, Ross and other Fil-foreign ineligibles are in same situation as Jawato, Lish, Morgan and Young....
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Yes absolutely being a resident at a young age if no passport before 16 is not an assumption , it's a clear guideline and principle of FIBA , communicated in all messages including the letters for exception approval or denial. .
as a guideline principle there are no exact numbers to what age , how many years residency are exactly required, still cannot understand the difference and comprehend ?

Guideline principles are NOT rules ! KNOW THE DIFFERENCE

BTW Pringle and Standhardinger have already applied and have rejection letters stating reason, residency is too old..

cited in Newsome approval exception letter is starting residency for a school at 20 yrs old .. 2011..Ateneo..
perhaps a good guideline "unwritten rule is must be under 21 yrs old before entering a local school for residency.. note PBA draft age minimum is 22 yrs old

For all the purposes of the law of in many countries a person shall attain full age on attaining the age of 21 years. (makes.sense)
 
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