2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

[DAdmiral2]

Robert has been reading to much social media disinformation and swayed brainwashed his sense of reality , unable to detect speculation with verified information. (dangerous)

1. LOL the Pounding the rock article on Wemby joining the Spurs via sign and trade is an April's fool joke LOL, and he actually thought it was real
2. Giannis cannot be compared to Abassi, the former got his passport before 16 and was never classified as a NP , totally different situation. (kind of stupid comparrison)
3. it's super super clear by now that age of residency (especially as a minor) is what matters. (it's simple principle of country where player was raised and developed should be eligible and LOL it's an exception to an age base cuttoff rule ( of course it really matters alot_
4. the guy made it sound that it's a requirement to lobby and bribe, when there is a published standard application fee , process and guides on criteria for decision . (this is so stupid)
5. do not forget that for every decision on exception whether approved or rejected an explanation is given by the Sec general on the reason for the approval or rejection. and it's explicitly cited the years raised as a minor in the country given to approvals and explicitly cited as rejection is the player did not establish residency in the country until his mid 20's ( a clear explanation of reason for rejection).... the greg letter of approval is actually published and clearly states why , he and family moved to the Philippines (Cebu) as a minor . how clear is that

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Ahanmisi, Newsome and Winston were all granted FIBA exception at around age 22-23. For instance Winston moved to Philippines when he was 21, and attended his final college year with local UAAP. Ahanmisi and Newsome already graduated college in US before they moved to Manila at age 22. So ideally Fil- foreign prospects who wish to represent Philippines in FIBA tourneys must either move after their third year of college in US or right after they graduated. The status of Slaughter, Malonso and Adams is different as either they acquired passports earlier or enrolled in a Philippine school since age 18.

As cited by you that given afore-mentioned players’ circumstances there is a huge possibility that we may able to obtain exception for Ballungay, Lucero, M. Philips, Koon and Villegas.

Nevertheless, I’m not implying that players over 22-23 y.o. when they started residing or playing in Philippines will not obtain exception. Hermoso and Pringle still has chance due to their more than 5 years of being resident in Philippines.


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Pringle, Cstand has that chance, Their case as same as Lish and Morgan of Thailand, Jawato of Indonesia and Justin Young of Vietnam... But SBP are hesitant to lobby their cases because of possibly those players will leave the PBA easily and go abroad such as Japan, Korea, Taiwan or China easily as locals w/ high salary that PBA can't afford.... Once Cstand will grant exemption status as local players, For sure B-league and other Asian leagues offer them high salary that even SMC / MVP controlled teams can't afford.... Look what happened to Lish after getting local status by FIBA, Mongolian basketball league team Zavkhan gives him a contract after impressive Pre qualifiers run... Jawato was hired by B-League to play there after good impression in FIBA as local player... These are scenario that SBP and PBA wants to avoid...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Robert has been reading to much social media disinformation and swayed brainwashed his sense of reality , unable to detect speculation with verified information. (dangerous)

1. LOL the Pounding the rock article on Wemby joining the Spurs via sign and trade is an April's fool joke LOL, and he actually thought it was real
2. Giannis cannot be compared to Abassi, the former got his passport before 16 and was never classified as a NP , totally different situation. (kind of stupid comparrison)
3. it's super super clear by now that age of residency (especially as a minor) is what matters. (it's simple principle of country where player was raised and developed should be eligible and LOL it's an exception to an age base cuttoff rule ( of course it really matters alot_
4. the guy made it sound that it's a requirement to lobby and bribe, when there is a published standard application fee , process and guides on criteria for decision . (this is so stupid)

OK... The 1st one i was fooled... Anyway you posted it too... So you fooled too... hehehehehehehehe

Second, Giannis get his passport 17 years old, 1 year after the FIBA criteria at 16, But remember, I didn't compare him to Abbasi by the way (check the post above), And he was born in Greece but because his parents are illegal immigrants, Thus, they were not considered by the government as Greek immigrants until Giaanis make it to the NBA... Giannis gets local status by FIBA because he was born there.. That's basic criteria.. The only reason it was complicated because his parents doesn't have prove to the Greek government of any visa or passport that they are legally immigrant to Athens... If not Giannis' successful NBA career, Greek government will not care Giannis' family

Third, We both are agree on this one, residency is the key for exemption... But no cut offs... I already give you examples such as Young, Lish, Jawato... Those names gets their passport late in their careers...

Forth, Any organization, Whether it's FIFA or FIBA have that issues... It was posted it before that SBP pays 1 million PHP for Newsome's exemption... They lobby before Newsome's eligibility before but it was failed... But it was accept this time after they learn how PERBASI did it easily to Jawato (They bribe FIBA for Jawato's case)... This is reality bro... You are insider of SBP but you didn't know this? Cmon!!!! And i'm not lying... VBF pays same amount of what SBP pays for Young to be exempted, But they can't pull it all since it was costly...

 

[DAdmiral2]

You really can't comprehend , of course residency matters nothing new there , but you're clearly missing out on the importance of age of residency ( which matters so so much) to neglect and not recognize that importance is missing out the essence and principle of the under 16 rule , It's a rule to promote domestic development raised in the country . How simple and glaring is that information you refuse to highlight , age being raised in a country is the essence of the U16 rule. don't you get it ? comprehend.. you cited exceptions to the norm and even in the case of Jawato it was explicitly cited he lived in Indonesia as a minor

my gosh you're citing cases like Cstand and Pringle , not knowing there cases have already been decided with a clear explanation by sec general on why it was disapproved ( start of residency was too late ) , how clear is that

Puro speculation rather than basing it on hard evidence , this is style chismis, i'm not saying these orgnaisations are clean or there is no hanky panky stuff, but this kind of story telling to arrive with assumptions on what the truth and process is super pang. tabloid style

 

[ja.he2]

Does 6-8 Villegas also qualify for exemption? We have a dearth of big man and Villegas can play as a stretch 4. Ballungay I think is also worth exempting.

Ballungay has a high chance of getting exempted based on the following:

- residency at a younger age (although after 16 years old);
- PH passport at a younger age (after 16 years old within his teenage years);
- studies here in the Philippines;
- playing college basketball here (part of the basketball development of the kid).

Villegas? I don't have any idea. All I know is that Villegas was already 24 when he played for UE. I don't what age did Villegas first arrive in the Philippines. Upon looking on it, maybe the chances of him getting an exemption is slimmer compared to Ballungay, Philipps and Koon. He is a one-and-done, isn't he?

You need to combine those factors, not just one of it. Just think that FIBA will put emphasis on residency and its reckoning point.
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[Sikatrix2]

OK... The 1st one i was fooled... Anyway you posted it too... So you fooled too... hehehehehehehehe

Second, Giannis get his passport 17 years old, 1 year after the FIBA criteria at 16, But remember, I didn't compare him to Abbasi by the way (check the post above), And he was born in Greece but because his parents are illegal immigrants, Thus, they were not considered by the government as Greek immigrants until Giaanis make it to the NBA... Giannis gets local status by FIBA because he was born there.. That's basic criteria.. The only reason it was complicated because his parents doesn't have prove to the Greek government of any visa or passport that they are legally immigrant to Athens... If not Giannis' successful NBA career, Greek government will not care Giannis' family

Third, We both are agree on this one, residency is the key for exemption... But no cut offs... I already give you examples such as Young, Lish, Jawato... Those names gets their passport late in their careers...

Forth, Any organization, Whether it's FIFA or FIBA have that issues... It was posted it before that SBP pays 1 million PHP for Newsome's exemption... They lobby before Newsome's eligibility before but it was failed... But it was accept this time after they learn how PERBASI did it easily to Jawato (They bribe FIBA for Jawato's case)... This is reality bro... You are insider of SBP but you didn't know this? Cmon!!!! And i'm not lying... VBF pays same amount of what SBP pays for Young to be exempted, But they can't pull it all since it was costly...

Giannis was stateless as a youth hence his FIBA eligibility was always gonna be easy once he got citizenship.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Giannis was stateless as a youth hence his FIBA eligibility was always gonna be easy once he got citizenship.

True , it's similar to the undocumented minor/ youth immigrants in the US (estimated at 10 million) , if they eventually are granted US citizenship (as an adult even after 16 yrs old) , of course they will all be FIBA eligible for the US

 

[DAdmiral2]

I'm not misleading... This is the truth... FIBA doesn't follow whatever the rules of those countries about their legalities of their nationalities... They don't care about that bloodline... Mexico also lobbying the case of Juan Toscano Anderson by the way as local player (same as Clarkson), But same as JC, JTA can't get exemption case since he's not living in Mexico... This is realtalk here, SBP can afford to lobby the case of Pringle, Cstand, Mikey, Ross or any Fil-foreigners already living more than 5 years or playing professional league of that said country but SBP is hesitant to lobby their case for exemption because once they get exemption case, Those players i mentioned can leave the PBA easily and go to higher pay leagues such in Japan, Korea, Taiwan or China as Asian locals spot and that is what PBA / SBP afraid of... That's why they are controlling those Fil-foreigners to have their exemption case as local in FIBA events... Their local talents already leave abroad due to higher salaries, imagine if those Fil-foreign players follow local counterparts to pursue their career overseas... What will happen to the PBA if all of those marquee players, Locals or Fil-foreign leave the league? For sure PBA will leave behind and their remaining players staying are 2nd rated players or bunch of benchwarmers remaining... This is what SBP / PBA afraid of....

This is BS ,

do not forget that for every decision on exception whether approved or rejected an explanation is given by the Sec general on the reason for the approval or rejection. and it's explicitly cited the years raised as a minor in the country given to approvals and explicitly cited as rejection is the player did not establish residency in the country until his mid 20's ( a clear explanation of reason for rejection).... the greg letter of approval is actually published and clearly states why , he and family moved to the Philippines (Cebu) as a minor . how clear is that

my gosh you're citing cases like Cstand and Pringle , not knowing there cases have already been decided with a clear explanation by sec general on why it was disapproved ( start of residency was too late ) , how clear is that

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

You really can't comprehend , of course residency matters nothing new there , but you're clearly missing out on the importance of age of residency ( which matters so so much) to neglect and not recognize that importance is missing out the essence and principle of the under 16 rule , It's a rule to promote domestic development raised in the country . How simple and glaring is that information you refuse to highlight , age being raised in a country is the essence of the U16 rule. don't you get it ? comprehend.. you cited exceptions to the norm and even in the case of Jawato it was explicitly cited he lived in Indonesia as a minor

my gosh you're citing cases like Cstand and Pringle , not knowing there cases have already been decided with a clear explanation by sec general on why it was disapproved ( start of residency was too late ) , how clear is that

Puro speculation rather than basing it on hard evidence , this is style chismis, i'm not saying these orgnaisations are clean or there is no hanky panky stuff, but this kind of story telling to arrive with assumptions on what the truth and process is super pang. tabloid style

So it means Jawato, Lish and Young should not be considered because they get their passports late too? aside that they start their residency too late... Cmon bro... FIBA doesn't stated in their policy what age they should start their residency, Nor getting their passports early... Remember, FIBA doesn't follow one law in case of legalities of nationality since every country has different state on legalities of their nationalities... You should know that... But the only thing that FIBA matters most in terms of exemption... RESIDENCY, CONNECTION TO THE COUNTRY'S BASKETBALL FEDERATION, CONNECTION ALSO TO THE COUNTRY'S PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE THAT PLAYED FOR AND CASH... That's basic rule...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

This is BS ,

do not forget that for every decision on exception whether approved or rejected an explanation is given by the Sec general on the reason for the approval or rejection. and it's explicitly cited the years raised as a minor in the country given to approvals and explicitly cited as rejection is the player did not establish residency in the country until his mid 20's ( a clear explanation of reason for rejection).... the greg letter of approval is actually published and clearly states why , he and family moved to the Philippines (Cebu) as a minor . how clear is that

my gosh you're citing cases like Cstand and Pringle , not knowing there cases have already been decided with a clear explanation by sec general on why it was disapproved ( start of residency was too late ) , how clear is that

Cmon... You complicate yourself... If that is your case then neither Jawato, Lish, Morgan or Young should be exempted because they didn't meet the criteria according to your logic? All of them didn't live in their respective countries until decided to came there for their professional basketball job in mid to late 20's age... Remember, FIBA doesn't follow one law only... All countries have different law on their nationalities... Some like Qatar are very easy to get passports, some like Thailand or China have hard time to get passports.... That's why FIBA sets the criteria about Residency, connections to country's basketball federation and their professional league and lastly, the Fees for exemption fee (If the word is bribe then accept it)...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Giannis was stateless as a youth hence his FIBA eligibility was always gonna be easy once he got citizenship.

Yeah... That's why when he get his Greek citizenship and passport, FIBA also follows the birth place of said player... Giannis born in Athens, It means it's basic that Giannis is a Greek citizen according to FIBA... Note: CJ Perez is Hong Kong born citizen, If somehow Gilas didn't notice him before, Perez can play for Hong Kong as a local player, since he was born in Hong Kong... That's basic rule... Another example.. Mavs Phenom guy Kyt Jimenez was born in Jeddah... Thus, Kyt can be a local player for KSA and play there in FIBA competitions as local if Philippines/Gilas will not tap him in any FIBA events... Tony Parker can be local in Belgium since he was born there, But because his family moved to France, And he played numerous basketball careers in France in early days before go to NBA... The same scenario with Steve Nash, born in South Africa but moved to Canada...

 

[DAdmiral2]

definition of exception fallacy : It occurs when you reach a group conclusion on the basis of exceptional cases.
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This is exception fallacy , find a case that looks to break the criteria to justify this is the norm . (Not an exception to the normal. ), BTW Jawato has residency as a minor . This line of thinking is conspiracy theory propaganda. I saw a UFO , therefor must be true that Aliens are here !.

If you use the Falasy, anyone can litterarally justify if he got away with something (let's say speeding over 200 kms per hour and didn't get caught), therefor that speeding rule does not exist . This is stupid logic

Sinaibi na ng sec general thst they look at age of residency when deciding, literarily it is stated in the letters of rejection or approval drafted by the Sec General.

every regulation is attempting to encourage a behavior. The behavior being encouraged by the Under 16 rule is established both country residency and citizenship in one's youth development years . Super clear logic, and still cannot understand rational for the rule that has a clear age stated in the rule

BTW residency is fundamental to citizenship , that is why Green card/ permanent residency leads to citizenship. So if eligibility policy has a cutt off age for citizenship ( 16 passport) then policy will logically encourage in their guideline criteria to have residency at a younger age

 

[Silent Killer2]

and why some people need ross to be exempted? CS? as much as we need CS he’s tag as NP.. same as pringle..SBP applied before and was not given the green light..

 

[ja.he2]

and why some people need ross to be exempted? CS? as much as we need CS he’s tag as NP.. same as pringle..SBP applied before and was not given the green light..

If I were SBP, I will place this exemption to Mike Philipps. In one article, it was said that Mike has been with La Salle since 2019 - so that makes him 17 at that time. He is a 2002 kid.

Mike Philipps is well integrated here in the Philippines - a resident, a student, part of his basketball heritage is in the Philippines and a fluent Tagalog speaker. To top it all, the kid has a good attitude, mindset and potential.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/uaap...m-michael-phillips-brother-ben-a2437-20200707

 

[reamily2]

If I were SBP, I will place this exemption to Mike Philipps. In one article, it was said that Mike has been with La Salle since 2019 - so that makes him 17 at that time.

Mike Philipps is well integrated here in the Philippines - a resident, a student, part of his basketball heritage is in the Philippines and a fluent Tagalog speaker. To top it all, the kid has a good attitude, mindset and potential.

no need, he will get it, ganun ka sureball sbp sa kanya as he ticked all the checkboxes fiba had stated as per analyzed yun debate is the class of tyler lamb asean foreigners..and how jerichoc ruz had played from norther marianas to gilas up to Guam

 

[DAdmiral2]

but short term in time for WC, Philipps may be only possibility , you stil have to submit application, if MVP mismo submits as primary host of WC, super sure ball yun

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

and why some people need ross to be exempted? CS? as much as we need CS he’s tag as NP.. same as pringle..SBP applied before and was not given the green light..

And no benefit if they get exemptions... Waste of time and money, Too late for those players...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

but short term in time for WC, Philipps may be only possibility , you stil have to submit application, if MVP mismo submits as primary host of WC, super sure ball yun

Why not? He's good as advertise... And he's a long term plan for Gilas....

 

[reamily2]

those players that your disregard plays much better role than your favorites

 

[FilWelsh2]

OK... The 1st one i was fooled... Anyway you posted it too... So you fooled too... hehehehehehehehe

Second, Giannis get his passport 17 years old, 1 year after the FIBA criteria at 16, But remember, I didn't compare him to Abbasi by the way (check the post above), And he was born in Greece but because his parents are illegal immigrants, Thus, they were not considered by the government as Greek immigrants until Giaanis make it to the NBA... Giannis gets local status by FIBA because he was born there.. That's basic criteria.. The only reason it was complicated because his parents doesn't have prove to the Greek government of any visa or passport that they are legally immigrant to Athens... If not Giannis' successful NBA career, Greek government will not care Giannis' family

Third, We both are agree on this one, residency is the key for exemption... But no cut offs... I already give you examples such as Young, Lish, Jawato... Those names gets their passport late in their careers...

Forth, Any organization, Whether it's FIFA or FIBA have that issues... It was posted it before that SBP pays 1 million PHP for Newsome's exemption... They lobby before Newsome's eligibility before but it was failed... But it was accept this time after they learn how PERBASI did it easily to Jawato (They bribe FIBA for Jawato's case)... This is reality bro... You are insider of SBP but you didn't know this? Cmon!!!! And i'm not lying... VBF pays same amount of what SBP pays for Young to be exempted, But they can't pull it all since it was costly...

how about Mav Ahanmisi did SBP also shouldered bill or cost for his exemption? Considering prior to his FIBA clearance last year he is been out of Gilas pipeline for a while. And SBP sponsored him instead of Hermoso? I don’t get it.