2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

[DAdmiral2]

Bottomline you can see that FIBA puts so much emphasis on child residency. Kind of automatic eligible, if you have residency as a minor and a passport is granted

 

[reamily2]

Bottomline you can see that FIBA puts so much emphasis on child residency. Kind of automatic eligible, if you have residency as a minor and a passport is granted

residency meaning mothers residence? then a balikbayan mother goes back with her children for a balikbayan visit.. its shows you evidence of lineage

 

[DAdmiral2]

Shouldn't below be the mindset for any tournament (like SEAG )
Tabs comments on Asian University tournament they are joining

"we are not really defending anything, (to win)” said the New Zealand Basketball Hall of Famer. “We have to go there for the dual purpose of playing our hearts out in representing the school and the country, but we also need to ensure the development of our team, system, and combinations for the UAAP.

 

[DAdmiral2]

residency meaning mothers residence? then a balikbayan mother goes back with her children for a balikbayan visit.. its shows you evidence of lineage

No player residency as a child (period). That plus passport is automatically FIBA eligible.

All illegal child Mexican immigrants who cross the US border and live in the US and have no.citizenship or parents no citizenship, but are eventually granted to be a US citizen as an adult are of course automatically FiBA eligible for the US .

 

[reamily2]

No player residency as a child (period). That plus passport is automatically FIBA eligible.

All illegal child Mexican immigrants who cross the US border and live in the US and have no.citizenship or parents no citizenship, but are eventually granted to be a US citizen as an adult are of course automatically FiBA eligible for the US .

so school record of the player x that i study garde 3 at sapang palay elemntary school, just need my school id and report card right?

 

[DAdmiral2]

so school record of the player x that i study garde 3 at sapang palay elemntary school, just need my school id and report card right?

Well school ID is one verification of residency in a country (not the only one of course)
BTW illegal immigrants in the US could get a student ID and drivers license. (Legit proof of residency)

 

[alfrancis2]

So there is still a chance for Zave Lucero to be exempted. Zave started his residency here at age 21-22 - around the age when Newsome first came in the Philippines.

Does 6-8 Villegas also qualify for exemption? We have a dearth of big man and Villegas can play as a stretch 4. Ballungay I think is also worth exempting.

 

[ja.he2]

Do the lawyers and law students here agree? I don't agree with this. It will only apply if Brownlee has another child right?

Ask a lawyer and they will tell you that Brownlee, Jr. need not to go naturalization process because the moment Brownlee, Sr. was granted PH citizenship, he passed it not only to his children but also to his spouse.

Since Brownlee, Jr. is a minor at the time Brownlee, Sr. was granted PH citizenship, he (Jr.) becomes one as well during his minority and will become permanent if he permanently resides afterwards (when minor) here in the Philippines.

That is under the third paragraph of Section 15, C.A. No. 473.

 

[k3ttch2]

Ask a lawyer and they will tell you that Brownlee, Jr. need not to go naturalization process because the moment Brownlee, Sr. was granted PH citizenship, he passed it not only to his children but also to his spouse.

Since Brownlee, Jr. is a minor at the time Brownlee, Sr. was granted PH citizenship, he (Jr.) becomes one as well during his minority and will become permanent if he permanently resides afterwards (when minor) here in the Philippines.

That is under the third paragraph of Section 15, C.A. No. 473.

But documented proof of Filipino citizenship under this law is required, such a passport obtained before the age of 16.

 

[reamily2]

But documented proof of Filipino citizenship under this law is required, such a passport obtained before the age of 16.

notaryo pwede na diba? hahah. SBP were giving ideas here

 

[ja.he2]

But documented proof of Filipino citizenship under this law is required, such a passport obtained before the age of 16.

Hmmm. Let's see - the decree which declares that Brownlee, Sr. has been granted Filipino citizenship, birth certificate of Brownlee, Jr., maybe an affidavit. Did I miss something? Hehe
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[Giannis34GOD2]

It's actually a different discipline (policy making) compared to law , knowledge in law is specific to which area of law, (Philippine law , international commercial law). Policy making especially for a governing international body like FIBA , is independent of each countries laws.

The way good policy making is done , is to do away with lawyers (seriously).

If FIBA policy is dependent on how each country views a authentic citizen it will be a total mess.
good policy is when it is independent of each countries basis of who is a citizen.

this is what will happen if law dictated the NBA eligibility rules and policies (it woild be a joke)

https://www.poundingtherock.com/202...wembanyama-in-sign-and-trade-with-french-team

So according to the link you post... Wembayanma will be allowed by Spurs to play for France nat'l team in off season... It will also erase the doubts of my friend Mr. Mojo in International forum that rookies will not allow to join (For international players to join in NBA as incoming rookie)... So Indonesian fans will be the 1st one will witness Wembayanma live before turning NBA next season... Hope that France will go far, So that Filipino fans will see Wembayanma live too....

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

What are the details of Abasi, is he of Chinese entnicity? I'm curious

Interesting A case of a player who was classified and played as a Naturalized player granted to play as a local .. by FIBA. Note also has no Taiwanese entncity and was naturalized by special laws (like our congress process)

https://focustaiwan.tw/sports/202303070028

Residency... This is also the reason Giannis became a local player even he has no Greek blood... His family only immigrant in Greece when he was a child after leaving Nigeria due to poor conditions in their native land... He acquired Greek citizenship after 16, or before he joined NBA draft in 2013 at age of 17.. Giannis by the way born in Athens by the way but his family that time has no Greek passport... That time their family was illegal immigrant....

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

This is incorrect, 1st the SBP has actually been submitting recently names to FiBA for exception. Unlike in previous years with the advise of FiBA on the guidelines they are now filtering the list to be submitted to those who have reasonable chance of approval, part of the filtering process is they are no longer submitting players who acquired passport over 22 yrs old and established start of residency in their mid 20s (25 yrs old ), why is this ? Simple the reasons for rejection cited by FIbA in their letter of decision for Pringle and Standhardinger explicitly mentiones this as a reason for the decision for rejection .
now please do not mix term lobbying with submitted request (which is a standard transparent legal process), lobbying is referring to influencing decision making to get a favorable outcome ( this is essentially undue illegal influence, Paki usap bribes)

Note Roosevelt Adams, , Chris Newsome, and guard Maverick Ahanmisi the SBP requested clearance for all 3 and they got it , yet there isnt a real need to use all 3 in FIBA. , stop the speculation..

Robert , it's best you don't tallk about these matters by using speculation, as the information you are stating is incorrect and misleading

No bro.... No one lobbying Ross bro... he can be eligible if SBP wants to lobby his case and pay his exemption fees to FIBA.. I have talks to several overseas forumers that have knowledge too about eligibility concerns, One Vietnamese friends that i have always talk that he has connection to VBF, They were also lobbying the case of Dierker, Tham and Juzang... But the problem there is that their budget is just not big as other countries... Remember, It was only Justin Young was gained exemption as local, They lobby others such as Dierker, Tham and Juzang too, But the cost is too big... And i give you a hint... Justin Young gets his Vietnamese passport only at 25 years old, He gained his passport in 2018... So your assumption is wrong... I will not post here if i'm wrong...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Young_(basketball)
International career[edit]


In 2018, Young received a Vietnamese passport, making him eligible for international play with the Vietnamese national team.
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[Giannis34GOD2]

DAdmiral

Just also look at Brandon Jawato... He gets his Indonesian passport just only late quarter of 2020... He gets his passport at age 27... But he was there since 2015 playing for Indonesian team at ABL... If that is your case then Jawato will never get his exemption case, Since he gets his passport too late... Many believe that PERBASI gives money to FIBA for Jawato's case (That's true by the way)....

https://ban.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Jawato


Same case as Lish and Moses Morgan... Lish and Morgan at first are ineligibles... But because of their residency since their early 20s of age to continue their Professional career there, They grant local status just only last year... A Thai forumer that i talked before says that Morgan and Lish shared the expensed cost of their exemption case, since BSAT (Thai basketball federation), Has no money for their exemption case..... They will not get their exemption status if BSAT not pay fees to FIBA...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Vietnams Justin young got his passport at 25 yet been classified as local by fiba recently..Freddie lish was old as f when he become local in fiba..

DAdmiral doesn't know that there are other things not just only being in the case such as Ahamnisi, Malonzo or Adams... And he forgot, Jawato only get his passport at age of 27... Remember, FIBA is a corrupt organization, same as FIFA, The reason why Qatar gets 2027 FIBA WC hosting rights w/o any official bidding for that event... If the federation gives money to FIBA for exemption case.. Then they will give you request to have those players exempted... That's reality bro....

 

[FilWelsh2]

This is incorrect, 1st the SBP has actually been submitting recently names to FiBA for exception. Unlike in previous years with the advise of FiBA on the guidelines they are now filtering the list to be submitted to those who have reasonable chance of approval, part of the filtering process is they are no longer submitting players who acquired passport over 22 yrs old and established start of residency in their mid 20s (25 yrs old ), why is this ? Simple the reasons for rejection cited by FIbA in their letter of decision for Pringle and Standhardinger explicitly mentiones this as a reason for the decision for rejection .
now please do not mix term lobbying with submitted request (which is a standard transparent legal process), lobbying is referring to influencing decision making to get a favorable outcome ( this is essentially undue illegal influence, Paki usap bribes)

Note Roosevelt Adams, , Chris Newsome, and guard Maverick Ahanmisi the SBP requested clearance for all 3 and they got it , yet there isnt a real need to use all 3 in FIBA. , stop the speculation..

Robert , it's best you don't tallk about these matters by using speculation, as the information you are stating is incorrect and misleading

Ahanmisi, Newsome and Winston were all granted FIBA exception at around age 22-23. For instance Winston moved to Philippines when he was 21, and attended his final college year with local UAAP. Ahanmisi and Newsome already graduated college in US before they moved to Manila at age 22. So ideally Fil- foreign prospects who wish to represent Philippines in FIBA tourneys must either move after their third year of college in US or right after they graduated. The status of Slaughter, Malonso and Adams is different as either they acquired passports earlier or enrolled in a Philippine school since age 18.

As cited by you that given afore-mentioned players’ circumstances there is a huge possibility that we may able to obtain exception for Ballungay, Lucero, M. Philips, Koon and Villegas.

Nevertheless, I’m not implying that players over 22-23 y.o. when they started residing or playing in Philippines will not obtain exception. Hermoso and Pringle still has chance due to their more than 5 years of being resident in Philippines.


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[FilWelsh2]

Sage Tolentino is utlised sparingly by Cincinnati. I do hope that he will transfer sooner to Philippines where he can be fully utilise. And SBP could also apply his FIBA exception before he reach 22….

Well, some players obtain clearance even after age 22 but likelihood of approval is much higher when you are in that age or younger at start of your residence in Philippines.

 

[DAdmiral2]

DAdmiral doesn't know that there are other things not just only being in the case such as Ahamnisi, Malonzo or Adams... And he forgot, Jawato only get his passport at age of 27... Remember, FIBA is a corrupt organization, same as FIFA, The reason why Qatar gets 2027 FIBA WC hosting rights w/o any official bidding for that event... If the federation gives money to FIBA for exemption case.. Then they will give you request to have those players exempted... That's reality bro....

You cannot cite exceptions to the normal and say it's normal practice (it is NOT), there are details u ommit that explain each situation, Mav is actually not exempted but got a document proving confirmation of citizenship before 16, Jawato lived as a minor in Indonesia.

I'm not naive to not admit that there is no bribery or lobbying, but this is different from the norm. And is absolutely NOT a requirement.
you are misleading people

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

You cannot cite exceptions to the normal and say it's normal practice (it is NOT), there are details u ommit that explain each situation, Mav is actually not exempted but got a document proving confirmation of citizenship before 16, Jawato lived as a minor in Indonesia.

I'm not naive to not admit that there is no bribery or lobbying, but this is different from the norm. And is absolutely NOT a requirement.
you are misleading people

I'm not misleading... This is the truth... FIBA doesn't follow whatever the rules of those countries about their legalities of their nationalities... They don't care about that bloodline... Mexico also lobbying the case of Juan Toscano Anderson by the way as local player (same as Clarkson), But same as JC, JTA can't get exemption case since he's not living in Mexico... This is realtalk here, SBP can afford to lobby the case of Pringle, Cstand, Mikey, Ross or any Fil-foreigners already living more than 5 years or playing professional league of that said country but SBP is hesitant to lobby their case for exemption because once they get exemption case, Those players i mentioned can leave the PBA easily and go to higher pay leagues such in Japan, Korea, Taiwan or China as Asian locals spot and that is what PBA / SBP afraid of... That's why they are controlling those Fil-foreigners to have their exemption case as local in FIBA events... Their local talents already leave abroad due to higher salaries, imagine if those Fil-foreign players follow local counterparts to pursue their career overseas... What will happen to the PBA if all of those marquee players, Locals or Fil-foreign leave the league? For sure PBA will leave behind and their remaining players staying are 2nd rated players or bunch of benchwarmers remaining... This is what SBP / PBA afraid of....