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Silent Killer2
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this shows we don’t have actually a “program”
if we do, SBP doesn’t need to worry about who we send in this tournament..
if we do, SBP doesn’t need to worry about who we send in this tournament..
2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)
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C2Hamm2
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this what irks me with Gilas. im not ok but i understand if they wanted CTB gone. mid way 2021, I alright accepted there is a chance he'll be gone. but its the pool he made so we got players anytime games are needed that really hurts. they drafted some of the players without replacing them. binwesit nila yun players that was fortunate enough to be offered work in other countries. if SEA games is a hassle to form a team, i dare say add a player or 2 from other leagues just so we have an ongoing pool of players. doesnt matter if thats kyt jimenez or gerald anderson. what matters is we have a pool playing together every now and then. if someone gets drafted by PBA or gets a contract abroad, replace them from the pool. we can have Mighty or Strong or whoever partly bankrolling it and they can deep their hands on it. once many times do these teams play in a year anyway? 2 tournaments? and if PBA wants in? we just replace a few players. doesnt even need half of it. kahit main players lng. the whole bench would have chemistry and can carry one if the stars sit. win win for all. but thats a pipe dream now. we just have to wait for PBA to finish before we can have a team .
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thatweirdguy2
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Just like what happened to the 3x3 team. Whatever the PBA covets the PBA gets. Our program is $hit because there's no real leadership, no actual plan and no unity. It hurts because most of the fans are knowledgeable and we know what's wrong.
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Rodbi2
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Truly disappointing. PBA just loves to headline every international tournament there is for Gilas yet they still insist on very short preparations.
For now, the least they (PBA people) could do for this SEA games issue is to immediately identify players from non-playoff and QF-losing teams in late-March to early-April. They can only make forecasts for now on which those 8 teams would be but for sure, they can't expect BGSM and SMB to suffer early exits in the Governors' Cup can they?
For now, the least they (PBA people) could do for this SEA games issue is to immediately identify players from non-playoff and QF-losing teams in late-March to early-April. They can only make forecasts for now on which those 8 teams would be but for sure, they can't expect BGSM and SMB to suffer early exits in the Governors' Cup can they?
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Servinio2
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2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)
The 3x3 teams for the coming 32nd Southeast Asian Games should be handled by Chooks To Go Pilipinas because they know the sport better. The top ranked Filipino 3x3 players are all under Chooks while the best women players are with the Uratex Dream program of WNBL 3x3.
http://servssports.wordpress.com/category/basketball/3x3
The 3x3 teams for the coming 32nd Southeast Asian Games should be handled by Chooks To Go Pilipinas because they know the sport better. The top ranked Filipino 3x3 players are all under Chooks while the best women players are with the Uratex Dream program of WNBL 3x3.
http://servssports.wordpress.com/category/basketball/3x3
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IPC2
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Oo nga, e. Baka naman, they'll just pick whatever veterans are available, even though they're not good in terms of FIBA play, and/or lack the upside for it. Just because they're good in the PBA doesn't mean it will translate to FIBA. Need players (and coaches) who will be good for FIBA.
What's more is that the SBP might not even consider players outside the PBA, such as promising players from the collegiate, and even HS levels, even though some may show more promise than many PBA vets.
Hay nako, PBA.
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IPC2
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We're better off giving game time to the likes of Mason Amos, Will Gozum, Kevin Quiambao, and Allen Liwag than to Vic Manuel, Ian Sangalang, Troy Rosario, Poy Erram, and Raymond Almazan. At least the former four still have youth and upside.
I dunno which young big can replicate Erram's and Almazan's rim protection, though. As poor as they are in FIBA, rim protection is still an asset.
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BJ_Reloaded2
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We have to be fully aware that the host country Cambodia is doing all the tricks in the book as far as hosting rights are concern. Basketball is just one small piece of the problem, keep that in mind the previous announcement that all passport holders from their respective country they want to represent are qualified to play(its not about lineage here it’s all about legit passport). So the possibility that the host country will parade a very strong line-up on both Men and Women team because according to some insiders the host country are limiting the number of events to be participated by the other country and only the host country can parade a complete line-up on all categories and events especially in events like contact sports and e-sports where we Filipinos are very strong at. Therefore I won’t be surprise if Cambodia may end up second or third overall in terms of medal tally come SEA Games.
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reamily2
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As much I would like to agree its the Tnt team that is better and the sea games 3x3 teams are using national team level players when they resort to one on one game the chooks team arent that talented individually to stop these guys..
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k3ttch2
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Cambodia has a large diaspora community to tap, mostly in the US, Canada, France and Australia, so it makes sense for them to use this vast resource. I wouldn?t be surprised if their SEA Games basketball team is majority Cambodian-American.
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hmbopbaduwap2
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That is what their Mens team has been doing the past 3 stagings of the games, it's just that they have difficulties scouting 6'5 and above heritage players
Sikatrix2
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Has Chooks stopped playing with an import? Is it true that they are preventing Mac Tallo from joining Converge like what Snow is insinuating?
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Servinio2
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The team has released Henry Iloka and Marcus Hammonds leaving only Mike Harry Nzeusseu.
However, they are working on MHN's naturalization which should be easier since he is already married to a Filipina and has been residing in the country for quite some time.
While FIBA rules call for a passport before the age of 16, it is relaxed in 3x3 wherein only a valid passport issued within a certain time period before the competition is sufficient.
http://servssports.wordpress.com/category/basketball/3x3
Sikatrix2
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It will take a minimum of two years I think if thats the path they chose(Non-congress) unless laws have changed. One year declaration of intent. One year after petition minimum before hearing for naturalization. So they might not make the Olympics unless this has been in the works for months at least.
https://lawphil.net/statutes/comacts/ca_473_1939.html
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ja.he2
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If ever, we can use MHN on 5x5 games of Gilas whenever JC, JB and Kouame are not available.
Sikatrix2
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Is Nzeusseu better than say CStan or Barefield?
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hmbopbaduwap2
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Looks like this will also be our pool in the SEAG, the core of last year's Asia Cup fourth place team plus Jeff Manday, Jorey Napoles and Brandon Bates
https://www.pba.ph/news/gilas-3x3-starts-warming-up-for-fiba-asia-cup
A seven-man pool led by Almond Vosotros and Joseph Erioubu are now in the thick of preparations for the country's coming campaign in the FIBA 3x3 Asia Cup in Singapore slated this March.
With Vosotros (TNT) and Eriobu (Purefoods) in the pool are TNT players Samboy De Leon and Lervin Flores, Jorey Napoles of Cavitex, Meralco's Jeff Manday, and Brandon Bates of Platinum Karaoke.
Coach Lester Del Rosario (Pioneer Elastoseal) will handle the team once again and assisted by Patrick Fran (Meralco).
Vosotros, Flores, De Leon, and Eriobu were part of the Gilas 3x3 team mentored by Del Rosario that finished a fighting fourth in last year's FIBA 3x3 Asia Cup also held in Singapore.
The Filipinos lost to China in the battle for bronze, 20-18, in a campaign highlighted by their massive upset of top seed Mongolia in the quarterfinals, 21-20, behind the game-winning deuce of Vosotros.
The fourth place finish was the highest ever for the country in the continental competition.
Unlike the last time when Gilas 3x3 had to go through the qualifiers, the Filipinos are now seeded to the main draw as part of Pool D.
"Preparations started mid-November until before Christmas, once to twice a week. Then we resumed training last Monday (Jan. 23)," said Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) 3x3 program director Ronnie Magsanoc.
Gilas 3x3 is leaving for Singapore on March 30, as the qualifiers will be played from March 29-30.
A total of 16 countries divided into four pools of four teams each, are seeing action in the qualifiers.
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IPC2
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If this is going to be the case, I think we should send players from other leagues, maybe the collegiate leagues, and even HS players. However, they should be under a good coach like Nenad or Charles.
So far, my list of non-PBA guys is as follows:
Guards: Jared Bahay, Jerom Lastimosa, Evan Nelle, Schonny Winston, Gian Mamuyac, James Spencer, Nic Cabanero, Miguel Oczon, Renzo Competente, Patrick Sleat
Wings: Caelum Harris, Jared Abadam, Cholo Anonuevo, Francis Lopez, James Nacua, Josh Coronel, Jacob Bayla, Enoch Valdez, John Barba, Jolo Manansala
Forwards: Mason Amos, Alex Konov, Josh Lazaro, Kevin Quiambao, Will Gozum, Allen Liwag
Bigs: Seven Gagate, Gab Demisana, Raven Cortez, Geo Chiu
Pretty deep pool. With a good NP and competent coaching, this lineup could have a shot.
I get Sikatrix's sentiment that this should be a chance for the 2023 team to build chemistry and cohesion, but many of the useful PBA guys (Japeth, Scottie, Brownlee, June Mar, Perez, Malonzo, Oftana) will still be in the playoffs less than a month before the SEA Games. Furthermore, the B.League boys (Thirdy, Carl, Dwight, Parks, Heading) will still be playing in their regular season. So, we really can't send the 2023 core without compromising training time. Plus, fatigue will be a factor.
SBP need to name a pool from players in the Philippines (or maybe in the KBL) as early as March. Need to practice by then. Defensive drills and all that, since defense (or lack thereof) is primarily how we lost last time, along with sending a pool of 6-7 useful players, of which only 4 (June Mar, Wright, Ravena brothers) were regulars in the rotation, the other 4 regular rotation players (Pogoy (although he made up for it in the last window), Troy, Mo, and Montalbo) being absolutely crap in that tournament.
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ja.he2
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I am not that MHN is better than those two. The only reason I put him into consideration is his availability.
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