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2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

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Chot should show that he learned from his tactical and strategic mistakes last SEA Games. Cone should help in that.

Player selection must be good too. Last May, we were good enough to win, but half the roster was poor.

I think it's time we gave Carl and Oftana some burn and opportunities to shine here if they're available.

I know I said the aforementioned quote before, but I've been torn between using this tournament to prepare for the World Cup or using this to help in identifying and developing prospects aged 25 and under. This is still an opportunity to develop young players for FIBA play while the seniors pool trains abroad.
 
I know I said the aforementioned quote before, but I've been torn between using this tournament to prepare for the World Cup or using this to help in identifying and developing prospects aged 25 and under. This is still an opportunity to develop young players for FIBA play while the seniors pool trains abroad.

If we do opt for a developmental team, let's limit it to age 25 and under, and then those who have had less than 10 FIBA games for the senior team. Maybe a couple players who are over 25 but not over 27, but have not gotten enough opportunities and/or game time in FIBA play.

Here's my developmental pool as follows:

Guards: Jared Bahay, Jerom Lastimosa, Evan Nelle, Schonny Winston, Gian Mamuyac, James Spencer, Nic Cabanero, Miguel Oczon, Renzo Competente
Wings: Caelum Harris, Jared Abadam, Cholo Anonuevo, Francis Lopez, James Nacua, Josh Coronel, Jacob Bayla, Enoch Valdez, John Barba
Forwards: Mason Amos, Alex Konov, Josh Lazaro, Kevin Quiambao, Will Gozum
Bigs: Seven Gagate, Gab Demisana

It should be noted that Kai meets the criteria, but since he's already a big part of the senior team, he's not in my list.

If it's going to be a developmental team, the coach should be one who can develop players for the international game, and has a good system on both ends, especially on defense. Of course, must instill a winning mentality. Disclaimer: The defense part was just my preference, personally, since I'd like a team that has a good foundation on defense.

If I missed any names, maybe we can add here.
 
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If we do opt for a developmental team, let's limit it to age 25 and under, and then those who have had less than 10 FIBA games for the senior team. Maybe a couple players who are over 25 but not over 27, but have not gotten enough opportunities and/or game time in FIBA play.

Here's my developmental pool as follows:

Guards: Jared Bahay, Jerom Lastimosa, Evan Nelle, Schonny Winston, Gian Mamuyac, James Spencer, Nic Cabanero, Miguel Oczon, Renzo Competente
Wings: Caelum Harris, Jared Abadam, Cholo Anonuevo, Francis Lopez, James Nacua, Josh Coronel, Jacob Bayla, Enoch Valdez, John Barba
Forwards: Mason Amos, Alex Konov, Josh Lazaro, Kevin Quiambao, Will Gozum
Bigs: Seven Gagate, Gab Demisana

It should be noted that Kai meets the criteria, but since he's already a big part of the senior team, he's not in my list.

If it's going to be a developmental team, the coach should be one who can develop players for the international game, and has a good system on both ends, especially on defense. Of course, must instill a winning mentality. Disclaimer: The defense part was just my preference, personally, since I'd like a team that has a good foundation on defense.

If I missed any names, maybe we can add here.

guard: Patrick Sleat
wing: Jemuel policarpio
forwards: Allen Liwag, Raven cortez
Center: Ladis Lepalam

I like NU's 6'4" manansala, I don't know where to put him. tweener guard and forward. very good at perimeter defense and he can jump too
 
I’m still confident that we could re-claim that Gold with the likes of JB(our naturalized), Remy Martin, Sedric Barefield, BGR and Ron Harper Jr.(how I wish) as the core and let our so-called A-team focus more on WC2023.
 
Sea Games team will be composed of the Big 3 of Fajardo C stan and Brownlee
 
indonesia and even thailand will cream this team, vietnam if it gets more halfbreeds in its team will also stand more than just a good chance of beating this team. the days of sending college players for a sure win SEA games gold is long and gone, we not only need pba players but also our main naturalized player just to be competitive.

At least it can be an upgrade to the last lineup, the worst I've seen, which by the way had 8 PBA players. 6 PBA players were in the rotation, and of those, only Wright and June Mar were useful. The other rotation PBA players (Troy, Mo, Pogoy, Montalbo) performed bad. Pogoy only redeemed himself in the November 2022 window. Additionally, not gameplanning and adjusting to the shooting of Indonesia (32-86 (37.2%) from 3 in the three games before, and made 13 three-pointers on 41.9%) contributed to that. Zoning on a shooting team, not rotating, etc.

And the purpose of the lineup is development. I understand that we'd like a sure win (for which we might need 1-3some good PBA players and a good naturalized player, yes), but we also need to expose the youngsters with the greatest potential. And besides, deficiencies in talent can be compensated for by a good coach with a good system on offense, defense, or both.
 
Sea Games team will be composed of the Big 3 of Fajardo C stan and Brownlee

As much as we want a more younger line-up, I think we cannot do about it anymore..If that's the GrandPas wants.
 
Sea Games team will be composed of the Big 3 of Fajardo C stan and Brownlee

will chot still be the coach? i suppose mvp would want to give him a chance to redeem himself.

As much as we want a more younger line-up, I think we cannot do about it anymore..If that's the GrandPas wants.

Yeah, the SBP and Chot got shamed, so they'd want the strongest possible lineup to redeem their asses. I won't be surprised if Chot gets to coach the SEA Games lineup.
 
gone are the days wherein we can send a rag tag team and a carabao to play center and we still win gold

All of you should accept that Basketball already rising sport in ASEAN region... The reason why the sport is now the 2nd most popular sport on earth.. It's obvious that most of the countries already trying to be competitive in international competition... Don't tell Philippines are not improving, Actually their program is improving, Your grassroot program still a top 8 in Asia, But other countries investing in the sport this time... Indonesia already preparing for defending the title since last year, and planning to have another naturalized player because Bolden will be not available for upcoming SEAG... Thailand and Vietnam aggressively finding more foreign local blood players overseas, especially FIBA eligible players... Malaysia already have their naturalized player/s to beef up their squad... Singapore keep their team improving by putting their core in their PRO squad Slingers and Cambodia is also copying Vietnam and Thailand style recruitment by finding foreign based locals too.... Don't be surprise if after 10 years, teams like Laos, Myanmar, Timor Leste and Brunei will try this sport and joining international competitions.. NBA and FIBA sees ASEAN region is a big market for their business tool... They were now investing their venture here in this region.. market the sport very well, with more than 800 million people in this region, Don't be surprise for that... Long time ago, no one in other ASEAN countries take this sport seriously.. But that's the thing of the past now... You have to welcome those countries and make it love for the sport.. It will good for your region in the long run...
 
I have a question... Is basketball also the 2nd most popular sport in ASEAN region? We all know football is undisputed no.1 sport in ASEAN (with exception of the Philippines)... But as 2nd, who are the sport that has potential to be 2nd one?
 
All of you should accept that Basketball already rising sport in ASEAN region... The reason why the sport is now the 2nd most popular sport on earth.. It's obvious that most of the countries already trying to be competitive in international competition... Don't tell Philippines are not improving, Actually their program is improving, Your grassroot program still a top 8 in Asia, But other countries investing in the sport this time... Indonesia already preparing for defending the title since last year, and planning to have another naturalized player because Bolden will be not available for upcoming SEAG... Thailand and Vietnam aggressively finding more foreign local blood players overseas, especially FIBA eligible players... Malaysia already have their naturalized player/s to beef up their squad... Singapore keep their team improving by putting their core in their PRO squad Slingers and Cambodia is also copying Vietnam and Thailand style recruitment by finding foreign based locals too.... Don't be surprise if after 10 years, teams like Laos, Myanmar, Timor Leste and Brunei will try this sport and joining international competitions.. NBA and FIBA sees ASEAN region is a big market for their business tool... They were now investing their venture here in this region.. market the sport very well, with more than 800 million people in this region, Don't be surprise for that... Long time ago, no one in other ASEAN countries take this sport seriously.. But that's the thing of the past now... You have to welcome those countries and make it love for the sport.. It will good for your region in the long run...

It's not that the Philippines isn't improving in relation to ASEAN. It's improving too slow in relation to countries like Lebanon, South Korea, and Japan. I mean, SoKor and Japan have been producing NBA-style forwards and sending homegrown talent overseas, and Japan blew us out.

If we improve too slowly and we're not careful, the other ASEAN countries have the potential of beating us, first with FIBA-ineligibles, and then with some talented FIBA locals.

That Indonesia loss was a wake-up call. Need better rosters now to win this thing, but we still can't neglect the development of our FIBA-fit youngsters. Need a lot of the best youngsters who haven't seen much FIBA action, being supplemented by good and FIBA-fit PBA players and a good naturalized player. Good coach too, and with a good amount of practice time.
 
It's not that the Philippines isn't improving in relation to ASEAN. It's improving too slow in relation to countries like Lebanon, South Korea, and Japan. I mean, SoKor and Japan have been producing NBA-style forwards and sending homegrown talent overseas, and Japan blew us out.

If we improve too slowly and we're not careful, the other ASEAN countries have the potential of beating us, first with FIBA-ineligibles, and then with some talented FIBA locals.

That Indonesia loss was a wake-up call. Need better rosters now to win this thing, but we still can't neglect the development of our FIBA-fit youngsters. Need a lot of the best youngsters who haven't seen much FIBA action, being supplemented by good and FIBA-fit PBA players and a good naturalized player. Good coach too, and with a good amount of practice time.

But your team still able to produce a Kai Sotto like big man in Asia... Other countries doesn't have that kind of talent... Other countries are wishing that they will have that kind of big man that surely dominates inside the lane.. And he is what? 20 or 21 years old? Your team still lucky that you have Kai Sotto talent in Asia that other teams dreaming of... As for my point, It's good that other ASEAN countries treating basketball seriously right now... This is good for the sport and for competition in the region.. No way now Philippines will able to prepare a week before SEAG, That is thing of the past already... And with new FIBA format, they were now experiencing exposure that they badly needed... Indonesia gain a lot of exposure during their preparations for FIBA Asia cup, before, they were unable to face such as Australia, China, Korea, Lebanon, etc... But with new format, things are change.. That experience they get during their campaign will be able to bring to their match up against Philippines... They are not afraid playing against the Philippines anymore, this is actually a good thing for the sake of ASEAN basketball scene... Same as Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia.. That Division B competition format of FIBA surely those countries badly needed to gain some exposure because one thing they were noticed why they can't able to beat Philippines in every SEAG campaign, Because they are all lack of valuable experience playing against teams who are same level as Philippines...
 
That Indonesia's famous victory vs the Philippines in SEAG basketball last year opens the competition to all, As other ASEAN countries now determine to copy Indonesia's success.... They are now aiming to win a gold medal after that what happened last year... They realized now Philippines in basketball is not forever immortal.. They are thinking right now that Philippines is not untouchable in basketball scene...
 
will chot still be the coach? i suppose mvp would want to give him a chance to redeem himself.

This guy is really well connected. How many chances has he gotten? Almost everyone in this world has only one chance in every opportunity to prove themselves.
 
sorry to burst your bubble but the reasons we lost was 1) we didn't respect the competition by sending a rag tag pba + bleague team and 2) we were too cocky not to have a naturalized player to match up with Bolden. what we can't afford now is to send an all filipino lineup and an ill prepared team even if its all pba.

Yeah. We can surely beat that gold medalists Indonesia last year had the SBP gathered their sh*ts together.

Indonesia winning against the Philippines is more of a perfect timing while the SBP is in shambles.
 
i think the sbp's focus on this year's world cup hosting also contributed to the loss, indonesia has been preparing for that moment since 2016

I don't think that SBP will allow such repeat. However, I believe we will have a pool dedicated for the SEA Games. Those that will not make the cut in the World Cup roster will probably play here. I can sense either that Brownlee or Kouame will be tapped as well.
 

The rest of the team has to be carefully selected now. Ideally, a good mix of youngsters with potential alongside some PBA players who fit international play. Of course, among those not part of the World Cup pool.

Also, they have to be well-coached.
 
sorry to burst your bubble but the reasons we lost was 1) we didn't respect the competition by sending a rag tag pba + bleague team and 2) we were too cocky not to have a naturalized player to match up with Bolden. what we can't afford now is to send an all filipino lineup and an ill prepared team even if its all pba.

But whatever the reason is, Philippines lost that game... Give credit to the Indonesian team who prepared hard to beat your team.. Because before as i said, Philippines can able to win the Gold even they will send all amateurs (Youth team) and only prepare for 1 week because other ASEAN countries doesn't care to compete in basketball... This is not the case now... Try again that sh*t your team did last year and again they will beat your team again because other ASEAN countries already determine to beat your ass right now.... A prepared less talented national team will always win against a talented squad but no preparations at all....
 
Yeah. We can surely beat that gold medalists Indonesia last year had the SBP gathered their sh*ts together.

Indonesia winning against the Philippines is more of a perfect timing while the SBP is in shambles.

But Bolden - DMX combo is tough... Both are still young and will play for Indonesia atleast 10 -15 years... Once those two players (or three alongside African recruit Diagne) will reach their prime years, Only way to retain your SEAG title is to have Kai Sotto in the line up... I don't think Kouame alone will able to match up against those three upcoming stars of Indonesia, Unless Philippines will not try to win SEAG anymore... I heard Indonesian federation (PERBASI) are recruiting foreign based local FIBA eligible to fill in the spots for their team... The challenge of Indonesia to your supremacy in ASEAN basketball will be on the highest level... Indonesia are not afraid on your team dude.... Their chairman (Erick Thotir) is a dedicated basketball aficionado who dreaming one day Indonesia basketball will play in the World Cup or Olympics in the future... That is his goal long term...
 
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