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2023 Lithuanian NT

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People say those 11-12th spots doesn't matter...False. It matter highly. Those players will take important roles in upcoming tournaments, sometimes key roles. So if you care about the next tournaments (and why would you care about them less than current ones?) then you take those 11-12th spots extremely seriously.

Well I certainly agree that those eleventh and twelfth spots matter. Players foul out of games and injuries happen. Look at what Adas Juškevičius did for the 2014 team when he was called back to the team after having been cut when Mantas Kalnietis hurt himself just days before the tournament. Juškevičius stepped in beautifully at PG when Šarūnas Vasiliauskas struggled and Team Lietuva ended up battling for the Bronze.

But!!! The national team isn't a training exercise for the future! Let me repeat, it's not a training exercise. The twelve best/most useful players available right now should be the ones taken. "Potential" and five euros will get you a six pack of beer but it's not something that'll land a player a slot on the national team.

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last 4 puerturico games

vs Usa 74-117
vs Italy 65-98
vs Serbia 75-110

vs LTU 80-93

Or Puerturico improved their game alot in last 2 days or found opponnet that is more their level
 
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last 4 puerturico games

vs Usa 74-117
vs Italy 65-98
vs Serbia 75-110

vs LTU 80-93

Or Puerturico improved their game alot in last 2 days or found opponnet that is more their level

Most likely the latter
 
Brazdeikis in 5 friendly games made 4 our of 20 three pointers 20% like half of them was wide open.Opponnets risking on him even in friendlies

Jokubaitis made 2 of 10 20%

Dimsa made 3 of 9 33%

Normantas made 5 of 15 33%

Kariniauskas made 1 of 3 33%


Just elite shooting backourt we have in 2023.

What though would you do? Is there a really good Lithuanian three point shooter lurking in the wings somewhere? I see that legendary veteran Mindaugas Lukauskis led all Lithuanians in the LKL with 43.2%(35/81) shooting from the three point line but....

So what could Coach Maksvytis have actually done? Try to lure Adas Juškevičius out of retirement from the national team program by guaranteeing Juškevičius a spot on the final roster?

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I know that the LKF took considerable criticism for agreeing to play these two games in the Philippines. What I don't understand is the rationale behind the criticism. Team Lietuva needed to be in place in East Asia five or six days before the World Cup in order to become acclimatized to the time change and heat anyway. Games therefore could, actually should, be played.

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No grip. The team is really loose defensively. I think our 5s at D will be the main issue in WC. With Sabonis we at least had somewhat bearable defense and played faster. Now we look really bad defensively even against somewhat mediocre PR. Can NT still improve? I think only slightly. Our bigs will get ridiculed inevitably. Some players as Dimsa, Brazdeikis will get in better shape and probably there still be a bit more communication, but that will help only slightly.

Offensively we lack sharpness from perimeter and creativity. So far only Jokubaitis looks well. Again, Brazdeikis and Dimsa will get a bit better and will be more aggressive (specially Iggy, and hopefully with bearable decisions), but they will mostly provide scoring treat, not ability to create for others (Normantas the same story and I don't even talk about Kariniauskas). Realistically we'll be really good offensively when we will barely look at JV and he will get his points only from p'n'r and offensive rebounds. Now entry pass and see what JV can do really looks awful. Sort of anti-basketball, or 90s basketball.

Getting to Olympics directly would be fantastic result, but I think we will be heading to qualification. Seeing how much sharper Jokubaitis is with his facilitation culture I think we could have a very good ball movement with Sabonis, Ulanovas, Grigonis, Jokubaitis on the court next symmer. Elite ball movement and enough of aggression. You can spice this mix up with either more offense (Brazdeikis) or defensive glue guy (Butkevicius) and you have very strong unit. I think whatever the outcome - next summer we'll have strong chance to qualify to Olympics. Stronger than in 2021 qualification. I expect all to show up injuries aside except probably Ulanovas (but even he may want to play for the last time).

From this team I just expect sincere fight. There's no objective arguments to ask success. We had some surprising tournaments in the past, always a possibility, but from objective point of view I don't see success.
 
I don't believe that this team can win against a top team (miracles happen though). But draws gives a fairy straight path to 1/4, cause Greece has bigger absences. They don' have Giannis and the best guards in Sloukas and Dorsey. Calathes is also still a good pg. Lithuania at least has its main pg and a main big. If we can't do that then we are weak now, that's what i think.
 
The team is really loose defensively. I think our 5s at D will be the main issue in WC.... Now we look really bad defensively even against somewhat mediocre PR.

I'm intrigued by Coach Maksvytis' attempt to implement a defense that keeps Jonas Valančiūnas down low defending the paint and therefore doesn't require him to switch off and defend fleet footed guards scurrying around the perimeter. A type of zone with the other four players defending the three point arc could work since basically no teams play any more than three or four shooters who can drain three pointers at any one time.​

Offensively we lack sharpness from perimeter and creativity. So far only Jokubaitis looks well. Again, Brazdeikis and Dimsa will get a bit better and will be more aggressive (specially Iggy, and hopefully with bearable decisions), but they will mostly provide scoring treat, not ability to create for others (Normantas the same story and I don't even talk about Kariniauskas). Realistically we'll be really good offensively when we will barely look at JV and he will get his points only from p'n'r and offensive rebounds. Now entry pass and see what JV can do really looks awful. Sort of anti-basketball, or 90s basketball.

​Two points from Valančiūnas down low would still be two points. I don't care how it looks or whether some pundits call it antiquated. Basketball isn't figure skating. Winning ugly would still be winning.

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I don't believe that this team can win against a top team (miracles happen though). But draws gives a fairy straight path to 1/4, cause Greece has bigger absences. They don' have Giannis and the best guards in Sloukas and Dorsey. Calathes is also still a good pg. Lithuania at least has its main pg and a main big. If we can't do that then we are weak now, that's what i think.

Success to me would be reaching Olympics and everything further.
 
European/Lithuanian fans in theory have to wish and support Usa,France,Australia,Canada that they would make semifinal teams

Problem draw bracket do not allow that to be the case.

One from Serbia/Italy/Greece/Montenegro/Lithuania will be in semifinal.


Very good chances that one from those 5 teams will get direct place to Olympics if 3 of 4 non european giants+Olympic host France will do their job till semifinal


If LTU 2019-2022 roster would been playing i would have real hopes making semifinal seeing this good draw for us

But with this 2023 mediocre roster and how they looked so far even favourable draw unlikely to help
 
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That is true. At least we have a decent shot to fight for direct Olympic ticket. That's without Sabonis, Grigonis, Lekavicius, Butkevicius, Ulanovas, R. Giedraitis. Half of the roster. It's funny, but we even have some chances to get to semis. I mean Serbia and Italy are strong, but they are not at USA, France, Australia level. Not even close. Serbia with Bogdanovic is still strong, but not exactly elite NT, specially knowing their mental lapses. If we get to 4finals (which is complete gamble - we can win and lose easily against better teams), it will be a fight nevertheless (us being underdogs against Serbia off course).

I can't decide whenever we are underdogs against Greece (probably 50/50 is fair, but I think Greece's defense gives them an edge). I treat us slight favorites against Montenegro.
 
Points per game in friendly games:

Valanciunas 15,6pts
Kuzminskas 10,3pts
Jokubaitis 10,1pts
Brazdeikis 10,0pts
Bendzius 9,4pts
Motiejunas 8,1pts

Sirvydis 5,9pts
Kariniauskas 5,2pts
Normantas 4,8pts
Sedekerskis 4,5pts
Dimsa 4,5pts
 
Lithuania got more offensive firepower than this Greek squad. I think the game will resemble the 2017 Gre-Ltu matchup but from the opposite side, as Lithuania got more individual talent there.
 
Greeks gonna say Liths are favourites ,Lithuanian says Greeks are favourites .Old trick trying to put all the pressure on opponnets


According to vikipedia

LTU NT 2023 have 1 nba player and 5 euroleague players

Greece NT 2023 have 1 nba player and 9 euroleague players


and somehow Greece is underdogs in that game ? :)
 
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There's a big difference in who's the NBA player in both teams and you also need to understand that LTU is the favorite for me because they got more individual quality in a couple of players like Valanciunas, D-Mo and Brazdeikis. Meanwhile the only single guy who can pull of scoring in this Greek squad is probably Rogkavopoulos.
 
I'm becoming the sceptic of Maksvytis. Hoped that he would develop into something solid, but I'm starting to doubt this. Same old scrub's mentality.... He didn't learn a single thing from 22 when he totally wasted 2 spots with Zemaitis and Zukauskas.

Let me point out the not insignificant detail that both Kristupas Žemaitis and Eigirdas Žukauskas actually earned invitations to the Lithuanian team camp last summer:

Kristupas Žemaitis 2021-22

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[TD]GAMES[/TD]
[TD]MINUTES[/TD]
[TD]EFFICIENCY[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Eurocup[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]24:44[/TD]
[TD]11.3[/TD]
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[TD]World Cup Qualifying Tournament[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]12:20[/TD]
[TD]2.3[/TD]
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And may I remind you that Žemaitis was the starting PG on that 2022 Lietkabelis team that cruised past Žalgiris in an LKL semifinal and finished as league runners-up?

Eigirdas Žukauskas 2021-22

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[TD]BCL[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]9:46[/TD]
[TD]2.6[/TD]
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[TD]World Cup Qualifying Tournament[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]18:06[/TD]
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They then outperformed several other candidates at training camp and won spots on the team.

You instead would have had Coach Maksvytis select your personal favourites in their place strictly on the basis of your say-so "My guys are just better!" In some fantasy world of yours perhaps....

:rolleyes:
 
There's a big difference in who's the NBA player in both teams and you also need to understand that LTU is the favorite for me because they got more individual quality in a couple of players like Valanciunas, D-Mo and Brazdeikis. Meanwhile the only single guy who can pull of scoring in this Greek squad is probably Rogkavopoulos.

Centers is not deciding factor in 2020s basketball that Lithuania have best center is not game changer

It's way more important who has best guards .Guards play is deciding factor when 3 minutes left and score is tied

That's why Greece won in 2017 they had best guard in that game

Clubs of players doesn't support your logic that Greek is weaker

In Lithuania podcasts experts agrees american Walkup is highest quality overall guard from these two rosters

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Centers is not deciding factor in 2020s basketball that Lithuania have best center is not game changer
If you have black hole in defense under the rim its an issue believe me.


It's way more important who has best guards .Guards play is deciding factor when 3 minutes left and score is tied​
Yes this kind of guards we have with Air Moraitis and Magic Bochoridis in our roster. :rolleyes:
I noticed that Θομας Βολκαποπουλος (Thomas Walkupopoulos) has a problem with ball handling under pressure. He gives everything but it is his first FIBA tournament. Usually even good players need one tournament to adapt and reach their top performance.
 
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