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2023 Lithuanian NT

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So rookie Tubelis need less time to prepare for world championship than already experience fiba tournament players? :)


Nba contract player can be around NT like Jonas since day 1,can do all physical training,watch all 2nd week coaches tactical preparation,he just cant do contact game (in theory)

Full of twitter how France nba players playing 5 vs 5,Doncic making jokes with teammates and so on ,our rookie havent even come wow :)



No wories our raw rookie from ncaa will come monday when 25 days will be left to first world champ game :rolleyes:

This smells so Balciunas just not get one more abcense (that federation got lots of heat) letting ridiculous things for rookie


Today NT already plays first game,its means they did tactical preparation already too. Tubelis knows everyhting he dont need participate in neither of that stuff
 
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"​Šiuo metu su rinktine sportuoja 17 kandidatų, o paskutinis – Ąžuolas Tubelis – prisijungs pirmadienį" Nothing about Tubelis not being here yet


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Shawshank said:
So rookie Tubelis need less time to prepare for world championship than already experience fiba tournament players? :)

Nba contract player can be around NT like Jonas since day 1,can do all physical training,watch all 2nd week coaches tactical preparation,he just cant do contact game (in theory)

No wories our raw rookie from ncaa will come monday when 25 days will be left to first world champ game :rolleyes:

This smells so Balciunas just not get one more abcense (that federation got lots of heat) letting ridiculous things for rookie
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I don't see how Ąžuolas Tubelis can be integrated into the team at this late stage either. Not only is he only 21, but this would be his first national team camp plus he's never even played with or against any of the other players at camp either.

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I know it's just a start of preparation and so on and some players will only later come to optimal shape, but boy we looked mediocre with this line-up :D OMG...

I mean I saw only one sure fire EL player and that's Sedekerskis. Size, athleticism, toughness, agility. Liked how he defends, rebounds, passes. That's all. Even say Motiejunas looks slow and unathletic. Kuzminskas just as last year looks like strong Eurocup player, EL boderliner. I understand that such players as D-Mo, Dimsa will look better, they had solid EL seasons, but oh boy it was pretty weird and uncomfortable to see this JV, Iggy, Jokubaitis less roster.

I only liked that we have few youngsters with upside - Jogela, Sirvydis.

Kariniauskas scored against scrubs, he can do that from time to time, but dude provides zero facilitation...zero! It's complete myth that he can dish others and control the team. He sucked with that in Rytas, in NT qualifiers and he sucks now...I have zero sense of having floor general with him. And forget about his points against stronger teams, that's not happening. So basically you have no facilitation and bad defense with Kariniauskas. I only can laugh listening to Maksvytis when he said that they picked players from reserve NT for problematic positions. I can clearly see that this team will have issues with facilitation. No-one aside Jokubaitis can facilitate in this team, no-one. Maksvytis didn't see any point even to invite one of top prospects at 1 in the camp.

Dimsa, D. Giedraitis will provide perimeter defense when they will get into shape (IMO, Normantas' defense is overrated and he's only solid at best when he's playing optimal BB, but today he couldn't guard). So, OK, perimeter defense with time will improve, but facilitation will remain huge problem. I still don't understand Maksvytis. Last summer he let go Sedekerskis when we badly needed defense at 4 and so on. This year he doesn't even give slightest chance to clearly the best facilitator we have at 1 after Jokubaitis.

If Jokubaitis will get in foul trouble, we will be watching tunnel vision slashing of Disma, Normantas, Kariniauskas, D. Giedraitis. I really hope that Maksvytis can grow as a coach, but I see he's not ready to let go average coach's habits. I can clearly see that Kariniauskas will be complete trash against any stronger team. He can't guard Ukrainian scrubs and can't create anything even at this level. Yes, Marciulionis wouldn't be real answer to this problem NOW, but I can clearly see that he's way better than Kariniauskas in terms of facilitation and defense already. We just, again, being stubborn and provincial in the department of coaching.
 
My current premature prediction is that Valanciunas, Motiejunas, Bendzius, Sedekerskis, Kuzminskas, Sirvydis, Brazdeikis, Dimsa, Kariniauskas and Jokubaitis have guaranteed spots. Last big will be one of Maldunas, Tubelis and Tarolis and last guard will be one of Normantas, Giedraitis and Jogela
 
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Ludux you missed Dimsa as lock, but probably had in mind. Otherwise I agree, but hate the red carpet for Kariniauskas.
 
Straight forward said:
I know it's just a start of preparation and so on and some players will only later come to optimal shape, but boy we looked mediocre with this line-up :D OMG...
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Most basketball observers wouldn't be inclined to dismiss a 100-72 victory against the eleventh place finishing team at Eurobasket 2022 as "mediocre". The ones at Basketnews.lt and Krepš​inis.net certainly saw it otherwise. Your preconceived notions of which players "are" good and which aren't seem to have prompted you to treat the game as an opportunity to pen a work of fiction. Here are some cold hard facts regarding Lithuanian player performance during the game:


Excellent


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[TR]
[TD]PLAYER[/TD]
[TD]MINUTES[/TD]
[TD]EFFICIENCY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Donatas Tarolis[/TD]
[TD]16:05[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eimantas Bendžius​[/TD]
[TD]14:05[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mindaugas Kuzminskas[/TD]
[TD]16:32[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Vaidas Kariniauskas[/TD]
[TD]18:16[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matas Jogėla*​[/TD]
[TD]21:44[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


* Jogėla actually led the team in both rebounds and assists (and turnovers) despite playing out of position at PG!


Good


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[TD]PLAYER[/TD]
[TD]MINUTES[/TD]
[TD]EFFICIENCY[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD] [TABLE="border: 0, cellpadding: 0, cellspacing: 1"]
[TR]
[TD]Deividas Sirvydis[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[TD]17:32[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD] [TABLE="border: 0, cellpadding: 0, cellspacing: 1"]
[TR]
[TD]Gabrielius Maldūnas[/TD]
[/TR]
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[/TD]
[TD]15:59[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
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[TD]Donatas Motiejūnas​[/TD]
[TD]18:18[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
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Bad

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[TR]
[TD]PLAYER[/TD]
[TD]MINUTES[/TD]
[TD]EFFICIENCY[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Tadas Sedekerskis[/TD]
[TD]17:10[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eigirdas Žukauskas​[/TD]
[TD]15:11[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
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[TD] [TABLE="border: 0, cellpadding: 0, cellspacing: 1"]
[TR]
[TD]Tomas Dimša[/TD]
[/TR]
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[/TD]
[TD]14:41[/TD]
[TD]-1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Margiris Normantas[/TD]
[TD]14:29[/TD]
[TD]-4[/TD]
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Straight forward said:
I mean I saw only one sure fire EL player and that's Sedekerskis. Size, athleticism, toughness, agility. Liked how he defends, rebounds, passes.
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Tadas Sedekerskis was worse than a non-factor in the game. He was a non-entity. He took zero shots! You habitually criticized Arnas Butkevičius​ for being a "stopper" on offence (until he joined Žalgiris last September ...) but now you're heaping praise on Sedekerskis for doing even less! Sedekerskis was cut in both 2021 and 2022 for being tentative and afraid of making mistakes. Well he better start showing more initiative on the court or he won't make this team either.

Straight forward said:
Dimsa, D. Giedraitis will provide perimeter defense when they will get into shape....
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The tournament starts on August 25th. We don't have months to wait. (Maybe years in the case of Dovis Giedraitis.) Incidentally, Krepš​inis.net​ is implying that Giedraitis has yet to arrive at the main team's camp. Very curious.

Straight forward said:
Kariniauskas scored against scrubs, he can do that from time to time, but dude provides zero facilitation...zero!

I can clearly see that Kariniauskas will be complete trash against any stronger team.
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Ugggghhh! Kariniauskas was the leading scorer with 18 points and had an excellent game. I know that must have annoyed you because it undermines your narrative, but an objective observer would simply accept the fact and add it to the data points that need to be considered. Why can't you show at least some objectivity and give credit when credit's due?

Straight forward said:
I still don't understand Maksvytis. Last summer he let go Sedekerskis when we badly needed defense at 4 and so on. This year he doesn't even give slightest chance to clearly the best facilitator we have at 1 after Jokubaitis.

I really hope that Maksvytis can grow as a coach, but I see he's not ready to let go average coach's habits. I can clearly see that Kariniauskas will be complete trash against any stronger team. He can't guard Ukrainian scrubs and can't create anything even at this level. Yes, Marciulionis wouldn't be real answer to this problem NOW, but I can clearly see that he's way better than Kariniauskas in terms of facilitation and defense already. We just, again, being stubborn and provincial in the department of coaching.
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I'll remind everyone that you agitated non-stop for Kazys Maksvytis to be appointed head coach from late 2016 onward. Now you're heaping the same scorn you heaped on his predecessors for not embracing your favourites as the second coming (of Šarūnas Marčiulionis, Šarūnas Jasikevičius, etc.)

I ask you once again, are you a paid publicity agent for these favourite players of yours?

:confused:
 
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Shawshank said:
https://twitter.com/Giannis_An34/status/1685364887810437120

Giannis with his mom visiting where his roots come Nigeria yesterday.

Is it safe to say that Giannis isnt preparing to play in world championship?

26 days left till first game and he is other continent from NT camp


Or he gonna do Tubelis type preparation? :rolleyes:
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Most probably he ain't playing but even if he does it will be with minor preparation and very little playing time in exhibition games. Would be only brought for the game against New Zealand + the 2 ones in the second round.
 
R1ou said:
Most probably he ain't playing but even if he does it will be with minor preparation and very little playing time in exhibition games. Would be only brought for the game against New Zealand + the 2 ones in the second round.
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That doesnt sound like Giannis.That kid all about work or he is all in or he simply out (because rehab process after surgery isnt finished)

In previuos summers when Giannis played,he was doing normal preparation right with the NT? I remember him playing early preparation games last summer with Greece.


I have feeling Greece federation knows the answer they simply wont tell it till last minute that opponnets didnt know to which Greece NT to prepare.
 
Not really. I think last summer he only played in 1 out of 3 acropolis games for example, and of course the well known 2017 case where he starts preparation with the team when he had a similar knee problem and eventually dropped out of the team after playing again half of exhibition games.
 
R1ou said:
Not really. I think last summer he only played in 1 out of 3 acropolis games for example, and of course the well known 2017 case where he starts preparation with the team when he had a similar knee problem and eventually dropped out of the team after playing again half of exhibition games.
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I mean not playing every friendly game,but being with the team from early in the camp,when he played in previuos summers.

Maybe he wasnt playing every friendly game (nobody is) but he was on the bench watching,being part of training camp not on other continent like now,its smells vacation :rolleyes:
 
My prediction is that 2023 roster will be by far the worst roster of 20s. I somehow feel that this roster may overachieve, no pressure, very obvious roles and so on, but generally I see only 5 true EL players and I don't even like what I see in D-Mo as one of them...

That's not gonna repeat any time soon...
 
sirvydis has been very impressive. he is knocking down threes consistenly, but also showing flashes of playmaking. he could end up being a quicker version of grigonis
 
zalias said:
sirvydis has been very impressive. he is knocking down threes consistenly, but also showing flashes of playmaking. he could end up being a quicker version of grigonis
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No, he's not quicker than Grigonis. And overall comparison doesn't make sense. Unless you meant the quickness of the shot, then I would agree.
 
Bendzius so far works nicely as stretch 4. Off course, if his trigger will get cold he's basically useless, but good signs so far. JV is still not very good passing off the double team, but not horrible either. With Jokubaitis on the court the offense runs smoothly. Liked Sirvydis and Sedekerskis passing, Jogela's. This team will be more fun than it seems looking at the sheer roster.
 
how does it not make sense? they're both sg/sf players who can shoot and make plays with the ball for others.
 
zalias said:
how does it not make sense? they're both sg/sf players who can shoot and make plays with the ball for others.
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Grigonis pure SG, Sirvydis is SF and I don't think we'll see him playing a single minute at 2. Different positions. That's where it ends basically. Grigonis has incomparably more handles, quicker, more agile at both ends, has much more facilitation game and versatility in terms of scoring.
 
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