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2023 Lithuanian NT

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So the rumor is that Sirvydis looks good with reserve NT. Exhibition will show more, but I think he's nearly a lock since Radzevicius out with an injury. Maybe Sirvydis can at least partially solve the lack of true shooters since Grigonis out. It's good that Tubelis will join NT. If he won't prevail against Maldunas and Tarolis it will be very disappointing case let's face both latter guys are not even close to be true NT material and definitely have no future. The lack of such defenders as Butkevicius, Radzevicius at 3 will force Maksvytis to push Sedekerskisa at 3 when he will need more defense and hopefully these days Kuzminskas feels more natural at 4.[

I see 4 main problems of this upcoming NT. No proper back up PG (most annoying to me). Lack of true shooters (lack of Grigonis). Lack of defensive glue guys (Butkevicius), no definite answers at 4 (specially if Sedekerskis will have to play 3 a lot).

I agree. While it's tough for me to be optimistic at this point, we'll see.

My pre-exibition stage prediction of final roster is this:

Jokubaitis, D. Giedraitis
Brazdeikis, Dimsa, M. Normantas
Sedekerskis, Sirvydis
Kuzminskas, Tubelis, Bendzius
Valanciunas, Motiejunas

I just refuse to incorporate Kariniauskas, even if he has basically red carpet under current conditions being the only nominal PG after Jokubaitis (assuming coaches will afraid to go with 21yo Marciulionis as a back up for still 22yo Jokubaitis). I hate the idea of such players running the NT.

Uggghhhh. I can't let you continue spouting nonsense about Dovis Giedraitis unchallenged. On my part I hate the idea of such players as D. Giedraitis being anywhere near the national team let alone at a key position at which they don't normally play. The 0.8 EFF Giedraitis registered over an average of 8:30 minutes per Euroleague game in 2022-23 is why he got only the 8:30 minutes of court time per game from his coach. And 4.6 EFF over an average of 15:54 minutes per LKL game isn't exactly impressive either. He may have the potential to get better of course. If and when he does, I'll change my mind.

But why you keep touting him bewilders me. (I'm not impressed by scout speak, good release, good first step, etc.) Yeah, yeah, he has a good game every once in a while but so what? You can't extrapolate from a good game while ignoring a multitude of bad ones. Effectiveness/quality comes out in the numbers over time.

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From most podcasters they see same 9 players as locks

Jokubaitis,Kariniauskas
Brazdeikis,Dimsa,Normantas
Kuzminskas
Sedekerskis
Valanciunas,Motiejunas


This top 9 men playoofs group is weakest LTU NT main group since when? 2009?


remaining 3 tourists places can go manny diffrent ways and every summer tradition for ltu fans will begin guess who will be 10,11 or 12th bench player


Did Zemaitis,Zukauskas,Echodas played big roles in eurobasket 2022? basically none , final result its all about NT top 8-9 playoofs guys
 
Kariniauskas, Normantas locks...god help us...Specially Kariniauskas...I'm sure Sirvydis is searching NKL market heavily or Romania's leagues market..

Our playoffs run will be huge if we are counting on Kariniauskas and Normantas. Serious take.

In my opinion this roster is on the same tier with 2017 roster and it could even be better depending on how good will be role players as Sedekerskis, D-Mo (who should be better than in 2017 when he was out of shape generally), Kuzminskas, Sirvydis.

Hepcat, bro, BB is not stats, it's actual performance. You can't measure D or BB IQ by stats.
 
Kariniauskas in FIBA WC 2023 qualifaction 4 games - 5.5ppg, 4apg, 32% FG (20% threes) in 19mpg. I'm sorry, but I can't see how can Marciulionis be worse than that. Or even anyone from Giedraitis, Dimsa, Normantas playing at 1 in these minutes.

Normantas didn't do much better in qualification. 5.8ppg, 35.7% FG, 6.1eff in 18 minutes.

That's our playoffs material...At least Normantas plays some D and hustles. IDK what Kariniauskas do.

PS: I'm not saying they won't make. I say it's funny to call them locks and some reliable options for PO. They barely could play in FIBA windows.

Rubstavicius outplayed both in 13mpg, with 7ppg, 6.5eff and 71% from the field.
 
When all of them says same things that make living from writting,talking about basketball they cant be all wrong

But that such lkl players is locks it shows how weak 2023 NT is.


2017 had peak nba Kuzminskas version , Ulanovas best tournament, Kalnietis was only 31 and one year from averaging 18pts in olympics,Dmo was still moving his feet in 2017.

I take 2017 overall this very average NT of 2023


There are reasons why Sirvydis and Giedraitis are in student camp and Normantas,Dimsa,Kariniauskas in main camp right now.
 
They are not locks. Just as Dimsa wasn't lock last summer. Maksvytis will have a tough decision. Last season he took a scrub Zemaitis just to have another nominal PG? How much that helped? Off course we had Grigonis who played with the ball a lot, and even Lekavicius, so the situation was different, but I still don't think Kariniauskas and Normantas are entirely locks. Kariniausaks will have to show something against stronger opponents during the exhibition stage...

Ulanovas was rather mediocre in 2017, he had his best tournament in 2019 with 10eff. Motiejunas actually was really bad in 2017, completely out of shape. Couldn't do anything. Was just a shadow of himself after chaotic years without much of basketball basically after fatal injury in 2015. Now he has been playing at higher level last 2 season in EL. His legs was all gone after 2015. Actually now he probably still can move better than 2017 cause he has been working a lot on his physical status and was taking care of himself tremendously. Don't expect much, but he should be better than his pathetic 4,7eff in 2017. Kalnietis on the decline compared to 2016.

3 leaders - Kalnas, JV, Kuzminskas + solid role players in Maciulis, Ulanovas, Juskevicius.

3 leaders - Jokubaitis, JV, Brazdeikis + solid role players in Sedekerskis, D-Mo, Kuzminskas, Dimsa, Sirvydis (I think Sirvydis will surprise people in terms of his current level).

Both teams to me more or less on the same tier.
 
From Dimsa,Kariniauskas,Normantas only 1 dimsa should have made the team in 2022

Now in 2023 backourt is so limited that people who living from basketball are predicting all 3 will make it.


Guards decide 70% of team results in 2020s basketball.Thats why im calling this very average NT , worst since 2009.


I dont believe coaches would put players they see in final roster in tottaly diffrent camp that would make no sense.

In order for Sirvydis or Giedraitis make the team they obviuosly have to look way better and show coaches that they were wrong about them.


Sirvydis is shooter type player that doesnt do anything more well. He is enigma nobody has any clue what kinda level is,but history for rookies at shooting is bad in first NT summer.

I would believe way more that Giedraitis defensively will help NT than Sirvydis will make shots in his first summer with NT.
 
It is simply much more open than most people expected. If we had Grigonis, Lekavicius there wouldn't be much talk about the backcourt...Maybe 1 unknown piece. Now we miss plenty of players in 1-3 positions.

Sirvydis becomes very realistic because of Butkevicius and Radzevicius losses alone...He's like the only pure 3 in the roster now and NT badly lacking shooters. So basically a red carpet...He already played solid minutes in Eurpcup for 2 years before leaving Rytas. In the Summer League NBA he was dropping 15ppg. That's not easy to do as we know. Around 4 EL clubs were interested in him after that. We'll just have to wait and see.

As for Giedraitis, his main weapon is that he's the best perimeter defender in the country now. Like guarding small agile guards. I don't see how can we exclude this when "guards decide 70% of the team results". And what EL PO showed and LKL final that he's not shitting his pants and can make shots. If I'm the coach, to me Giedraitis with his stellar D and more consistent decision making is more reliable than say Normantas who is very streaky at all what he does, even defense...
 
Summer league is a joke not real basketball, everybody there shoots just to shoot.

Guarding small guards I agree, but guarding multiple position players not just small guards Dimsa and Normantas simply have better bodies for that

Not every NT even have that small guard.2 main possible opponents in 2023 Greece and Serbia dont even have such type, after Sloukas is out.


I repeat coaches desicion putting Sirvydis and Giedraitis in other camp makes zero sense if coaching staff would see them in top 9 playoofs rotation

Radzevicius and Sajus got injury and coaches calling to main camp not Sirvydis,not Jogela but 2 PF-C types instead?

That's says to me coaches sees more problems in frontcourt positions than SF.

My guess they see Brazdeikis,Sedekerskis,Kuzminskas filling SF position minutes in main top 9 playoffs rotation
 
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Radzevicius and Sajus got injury and coaches calling to main camp not Sirvydis,not Jogela but 2 PF-C types instead?

That's says to me coaches sees more problems in frontcourt positions than SF.

My guess they see Brazdeikis,Sedekerskis,Kuzminskas filling SF position minutes in main top 9 playoffs rotation

JV will join later so they need big bodies for training more than SF. And Sirvydis needs playing practice on FIBA court
 
JV will join later so they need big bodies for training more than SF. And Sirvydis needs playing practice on FIBA court


Birutis is called for 2 weeks just for that.How manny centers they need for practising ? :)

Birutis,Motiejunas,Maldunas and Valanciunas himself is right there with them in photos and who knows what is Jonas role when media is sended home and doors is closed

Playing practise with that funny Taiwan tourist roster of NKLA players that everyone made fun of? Ok if that helps Sirvydis sure he can do that :rolleyes:
 
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JV will join later so they need big bodies for training more than SF. And Sirvydis needs playing practice on FIBA court

This.​ + Tubelis will join only on 28 too.



Summer league is a joke not real basketball, everybody there shoots just to shoot.

Guarding small guards I agree, but guarding multiple position players not just small guards Dimsa and Normantas simply have better bodies for that

Not every NT even have that small guard.2 main possible opponents in 2023 Greece and Serbia dont even have such type, after Sloukas is out.


I repeat coaches desicion putting Sirvydis and Giedraitis in other camp makes zero sense if coaching staff would see them in top 9 playoofs rotation

Radzevicius and Sajus got injury and coaches calling to main camp not Sirvydis,not Jogela but 2 PF-C types instead?

That's says to me coaches sees more problems in frontcourt positions than SF.

My guess they see Brazdeikis,Sedekerskis,Kuzminskas filling SF position minutes in main top 9 playoffs rotation

The idea of reserve NT is to give space for young talent to show themselves and to get to know with our talent pool. Sirvydis needs that. No-one knows how good he is, but he surely needs playing time, exposure. My prediction simply is that he will look good, but we'll have to wait and see.

You highly underrate Summer League. It's not easy there to standout. Plenty of NBA players and all of them are greedy and talented. The game is ISO, but if you standout you have certain skills and talent. Iggy was 18ppg in Summer League and we know his instant impact to the NT. Sirvydis (even though being older) averaged 15.5ppg and he did it in just 22,5mpg. F.e. 11th pick French Ousmane Dieng scored 15ppg in this year's SL, but he did it in 30,5mpg. Petrusev, establish 10eff kinda guy in EL, was dropping 12,5ppg in SL. Nico Mannion, established Italy's NT player, had 8,7ppg. He already is a role player for Italy and this summer his role will be even bigger. There's tons of talent is SL. Tons. Whenever Sirvydis is ready to give something to NT we'll see, but don't look down on his achievement in SL, that's hard to do.

As for Giedraitis we need him against Montenegro's American dude. We need him against USA dudes as Jalen Brunson, and you can throw him against bigger guards too. He used to play mainly SG in ACB and he was guarding best oppositions guards for Estudiantes. We can even throw him against Bogdanovic, Walkup and he will fight like a lion.

I'm OK with Normantas generally, but he has worse lateral quickness, loses concentration more often, doesn't read team defense as good as Giedraitis and makes more mental mistakes. It's good he can be pretty good at switch all defense. But generally Dimsa and Normantas are very similar. IDK if there will be huge need of those 2 similar players as DImsa obviously has an edge and will play much more. His main weapon is that he's cheeky, but he can make good and bad things with that. In LKL finals he screwed down the stretch in that do or die game generally.

I didn't mention yesterday, but a lot will depend if Tubelis is ready to be mobile 5. Our D with JV and D-Mo will be crap, let's face it. We need to have that alternative unit who could surivive defensively some stretches and to change the dynamics of some games. I think Maldunas is just a practice meat. He would be destroyed by better teams. It's on Tubelis. If Tubelis is not ready, I would even throw Sedekerskis at 5. If 203cm Garuba can play 5, then 205cm Sedekerskis can too, even if he's couple of kg lighter.

And lastly I still hope Marciulionis can surprise, even though I feel it's 1 or 2 years premature. If Kariniauskas will substitute Jokubaitis, it means probably even worse defender subs Rokas. And the worse thing that Kariniauskas is trash at both ends. To me a back up PG should be a bulldog defensively. I would actually favor Bickauskis more than Kariniauskas, with all seriousness.
 
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Birutis is called for 2 weeks just for that.How manny centers they need for practising ? :)

Birutis,Motiejunas,Maldunas and Valanciunas himself is right there with them in photos and who knows what is Jonas role when media is sended home and doors is closed.

Same amount as before?
Before :Valanciunas, Motiejunas, Birutis, Sajus
Now: Valanciunas, Motiejunas, Birutis, Maldunas
 
Same amount as before?
Before :Valanciunas, Motiejunas, Birutis, Sajus
Now: Valanciunas, Motiejunas, Birutis, Maldunas

And Radzeviciu substation? or only centers needed to be replaced for practising?

If my math works they have more true centers than true Sf in that camp
 
And Radzeviciu substation? or only centers needed to be replaced for practising?

Plenty of combos. Brazdeikis, Dimsa, Normantas, Kuzminskas, Sedekerskis. Easier to fill it.

As for Sirvydis and first games against Jordan (Jordania) is just a scratch. The key is how he looks in the camp. He has ambitions to make the senior team, IMO.
 
Plenty of combos. Brazdeikis, Dimsa, Normantas, Kuzminskas, Sedekerskis. Easier to fill it.

As for Sirvydis and first games against Jordan (Jordania) is just a scratch. The key is how he looks in the camp. He has ambitions to make the senior team, IMO.


Maybe u are right

Most likely thats why Sirvydis is not seen in head coach plans that he is not training with main NT players
 
Maybe u are right

Most likely thats why Sirvydis is not seen in head coach plans that he is not training with main NT players

The main reason - Sirvydis needs all the freedom and attention in reserve NT to figure out who he is ATM. He doesn't need to run without the ball for 3 days with senior NT and to play couple of first soft practices. All eyes on him against Jordan, he must show that he's the best player of reserve NT team if he has serious ambitions to make senior NT and get the role. Again, we know that Leksas unleashed rumor he looks like the best player in the camp. Can't wait to see how he's doing against Jordan. Some shots may not drop in, I'm alright with that, but overall his aggression level and various skillset should prevail, he must standout. There's also Jogela after good season and he's ACB kinda material now. If he's obviously better than Jogela then he can become a role player of senior NT, IMO.

Marciulionis
D. Giedraitis, I. Sargiunas
Sirvydis, Jogela

That's the players I want to see against Jordan.
 
I rather have soft training with euroleague players than super hard versus taivan Nkla tourists if im seriuos about making NT.

But maybe Sirvydis is american mindset he needs to bully weak ones to increase his own believe now i gonna show to real players too :)


as alwasy most topics going about 10-12th bench players that wont even play in most critical games and not top 9 main players that matters
 
I rather have soft training with euroleague players than super hard versus taivan Nkla tourists if im seriuos about making NT.

What Taiwan? What are you talking about? Why do you have to be lost all the time? Sirvydis and other best reserve NT players will never play against Taiwan.

Lithuania will play 2 first games against Jordan (33 in FIBA ranking). It has nothing to do with Taiwan. There's no games for Lithuania NT against Taiwan.
https://www.lrt.lt/naujienos/sporta...iu-tvarkarastis-laukia-ir-prancuzijos-issukis

In Taiwan will go Paulauskases and such. Balciunas side project. IDK why he decided to put those scrubs under "reserve NT" umbrella, that was silly (just because Taiwan asked the team to be related with NT). After the games against Jordan, 3-4 best players will join senior NT and only scrubs will go to Taiwan. I doubt even Jogela, Marciulionis, Sargiunas will go assuming they are not taken to the senior NT .

I'm starting to have a problem with Balciunas. He picked to soft exhibition last summer because of money. Now he's shitting reserve NT name because of Taiwans askings and money.
 
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dude you dont even get my jokes.U always are lost not me. I know well where with who gonna play, you dont see smile?


Sirvydis is ale training in same camp with players that will play with Taiwan Thats why im calling them taiwan tourists.

If Balciunas make jokes of Lithuania name on jersey with player he choosen,i also would put my jokes in same way



That Balciunas gonna do his money manipulations again it was clear from day 1 when Gevdilas become president. Such people dont change

He using Lithuanian basketball name,sending joke players to Taiwan in such way selling lithuanian basketball name and also fooling Taiwan basketball people

If Taiwan would understand what kinda joke players Balciunas is sending,i wouldnt be suprised they would close any future partnership with Lithuania


Funny things those players is literally federation people players like Paulauskas son or Vainauskas club players. Balciunas is doing his manipulations on all fronts behind scenes and comes with poker face in media and telling how tallent and hungry ltu NT will be :cool:


give him credit smart manipulator
 
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