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2023 Lithuanian NT

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JV says that Brazdeikis should come. That's a good news. The way this NT is built, Brazdeikis is more important that Butkevicius. Even though we badly needed both. If we have Jokubaitis and Brazdeikis messing from perimeter, we have a backcourt core and serious aggression.
 
Shawshank said:
Horrible defensive lineup.Opponnets guards gonna have NTs career high performances
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How to you suggest to play good D with JV and D-Mo? Our close outs will be non existant. Maybe some zone defense and risking on shooting...the only solution likely.
 
Have pesky guard defenders that fight over screens like Seibutis type or Diaz from Spain such type guard


Valanciunas played with Seibutis,Maciulis near him and that team was very good defensive team


Now all opponnets need to do put Brazdeikis with Valanciunas in same pikenrool and help god ltu fans .Opponnets will get wide open jumper every single time.Because Brazdeikis is cluesless where and how to react and Valanciunas too slow


Horible fit having Valanciunas/ Dmo and Brazdeikis as a guard. I would try play Brazdeikis as SF.,just to have one real defender at guard position


Who from Jokubaitis/Brazdeikis is guarding elite fiba guards scorers? Atleast in 2022 coach used to put Butkevicius,now they gonna put Sf Kuzminskas on guard? :)
 
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Valanciunas these days is much slower compared to his 2015 self. Back then his effort was still at another level defensively. We have guys as Dimsa and D. Giedraitis to do what Seibutis was doing. And we have Sedekerskis and Radzevicius to do what Maciulis was doing (well, close). But these days JV and D-Mo really on that slow side vets...

It will be hard for Maksvytis to make decisions. He may go with more defensive players (Normantas, Giedraitis, Marciulionis, Radzevicius) or more offensive (Rubstavicius, Sirvydis, Kulboka, Benzdius), or to try to get the best mix (which is more likable), but there's no optimal solution.

Yeah, Jokubaitis and Brazdeikis ain't no good defenders at 1 and 2, but you also can't go with Giedraitis and Dimsa offensively to have sufficient offense. Only Jokubaitis at 1 ATM can make our offense run at high level.
 
Start Jokubaitis+Dimsa as backourt .Overall I dont see how team can survive playing Jokubaitis+Brazdeikis and slow center in same lineup


But yeah there is no good asnwers .

One things is to have lesser tallent but in which pieces fits together . This 2023 NT have neither :rolleyes:



I would treat Brazdeikis same way like in Zalgiris did. If he not scoring alot and like alwasy f**ing defensive team rotations 10minutes playing time

If he scoring alot 28minutes.

Such brainless player cant be main player of winning team. He can be in 6th men volume scorer role
 
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O dangaus podcast naming possible players if Brazdeikis also wont come


Jokubaitis,Normantas,Dimsa,Kariniauskas,Radzeviciu s,Bendzius,Kuzminskas,Sedekerskis,Jogela and so on thats literally window games roster from 2021 + Valanciunas :rolleyes:
 
Balciunas was on Delfi podcast. If I understood his bul.. diplomatic speech, Brazdeikis never seriously considered skipping WC and Sabonis has 3 weeks to heal finger, give birth and sign contract with KIngs
 
Urbonas is the most clueless and the biggest joke ever to me in terms of commentating. I mean, It's the new bottom! That redneck thinks that Kariniauskas is better facilitator than Jokubaitis and says it like it's nothing, like just rational :D The biggest idiot ever. I thought R. Paulauskas is the bottom, but no, there's Urbonas...Complete redneck who can't walk 2 meters away Utena's mindset. Kariniauskas could play shit in Rytas...he was horrible by all means, barely could crack rotation. But, no, for Urbonas he's better facilitator than best Barca's facilitator :D "Jis sustatytu visus"! :D :D :D I mean, I can't stop my self, but call this complete douchebag​ a joke.

OK, boomer! Keep that kind of rednecks away from LTU BB. Keep him locked in Utena.
 
I already know the main problem of Lithuanian coaches - provincialism. You can clearly see that Urbonas head is all over with mediocrities. In his mind he knows Kariniauskas better and ever treats better than Jokubaitis. Again, to think that Kariniauskas offensively can do something better than Jokubaitis you have to be an idiot, hands down, I can't justify that. It's like comparing D. Sabonis or Geben. Valinksas for him is better player than D. Giedraitis, Rubstavicius.

Hopefully Maksvytis is growing into a coach with broad horizon. We need that to happen. I think Adomaitis also basically grows into such, even both of these 2 were negatively affected by working with mediocrities for many years in clubs like Utena, Neptunas and even Rytas, or Russia. Now Maksvytis is getting better, avoids mediocrity mentality, analysis EL market broadly and so on.

After Kazlauskas there's Jasikevicius. 2 world class coaches. One retired, other didn't yet coach NT. We badly need more. I like how Maksvytis progressing, I feel that his attitudes expands. I don't mind Adomaitis to come back to the NT one day. While Such as Urbonas will always remain petty provincial.
 
I will say this. That 15 spot in the ranking for us is very metaphoric. That's exactly what happened with Lithuanian basketball - it became mediocre. Aside center position, what has been happening with Lithuanian basketball since 2008? Only decline. When EL stars Siska, Jasikevicius and such declined and retired, we had Kalnietis, Seibutis, Maciulis as the core. EL role players. After these such players as Kuzminskas, Grigonis, Lekavicius followed. Also EL role players and probably an inch worse than previous trio. Yes, we had Valanciunas and Sabonis who kept NT respectable, but overall this ranking is a great metaphor - LTU basketball has been on a declining mode 2008-2022 and reduced to mediocrity (even if this ranking is exaggeration, it's a nice message for us). Some will say, look with A team we're different et cetera...But the fact is we can't win anything with A rosters for long time now. Current A roster can't expect medals objectively.​

Realistically this WC is a great chance to rebuild and to throw a lot of babies into the water. We badly need a rebuild and to develop real deal talents, not EL mediocrities, role players or to ride with lower league's complete mediocrities (Zemaitis, Zukauskas and now likely Normantas, Radzevicius coming). The shift should be happening now already. It's obvious we are not getting anything with current vets, not even talking about hyping Normantas kind of breeds...it's pathetic.. JV got slow, Grigonis crippled, Ulanovas crippled. Let's face it - we are not going anywhere with them anymore. We should legitimately go after new talent that we have plenty. I don't expect Maksvytis to go full mode with that, he is the guy who took Cizauskas back to the map, but generally everyone sees that LTU basketball needs radical recharge. And we have great generation for this coming. The further we hesitate, the more open the wound will become. If we won't throw most of these into the NT (Marciulionis, D. Giedraitis, Rubstavicius, Sirvydis, Tubelis, not even talking about Sedekerskis who is more than the lock in my eyes) we will pay the price in 2024 and even 2025. There will be some crippled players in 2024 too, I'm pretty sure. It's not like there's guarantee that all pieces will come back for Olympics. If we will be forced to go with Normantases and Kariniauskases for 23, 24...we're done as baskebtall country. We need to push that shit cause it sticks for nearly a decade now.
 
Why Ulanovas is crippled? He didn't miss a single game in EL this season.
 
Dreamcatcher said:
Why Ulanovas is crippled? He didn't miss a single game in EL this season.
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I meant that he can't handle both season and the summer with NT. He needs empty summer to be able somehow (with a lot whining and frustration) to handle club season.
 
2024 Olympic qualification tournament starts in 12 months

Todays under 23 youngsters have zero chance to be even close to be ready win olympic qualification tournament


Coaches obviuosly will go with that 1992-1996 group 28-32 old experienced euroleague/nba players that give best fighting chance.


Even federations machinator Balciunas understands that and openly says in interviews now is that group time ,i can bet NT coaches/federation will try to bring 2022 gang back to olympic qualification tournament

Wouldnt be suprised even persona like Ulanovas will think long about playing in 2024 summer because that his last chance for Olympics.



Rettooling/refreshing roster new NT head coach will start after Olympics as always
 
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My post wasn't about what's gonna happen in 2024. My post was about - what the fuck has been happening with LTU basketball for last 14 years...
 
Small 2,5 million country is loosing tallent battle to big countries that open their basketball academies 20-25 years ago and we see results last 10 years


Even average coach will find more diamonds in 5 million kids pool than very good coach will at minimum 10 times smaller pool


Competion level is very high in 2020s with multiple modern nba players on rosters
 
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Shawshank said:
Small 2,5 million country is loosing tallent battle to big countries that open their basketball academies 20-25 years ago and we see results last 10 years


Even average coach will find more diamonds in 5 million kids pool than very good coach will at minimum 10 times smaller pool


Competion level is very high in 2020s with multiple modern nba players on rosters
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As I understand Lithuanian basketball was at the top in 80s with Jovaisa, Chomicius, Kurtinaitis and already good Sabonis, Marciulionis. Then it keep being good in 90s and 00s. And then the decline in 10's. There's a good chance that in 70s Lithuanian basketball was also good with Paulauskas, Jovaisa and some others (not a specialist though). If that's true, we had an elite basketball for 4 decades and only in 10's a decline. We should be coming back to the top in the second half of 20's, so, again, 10s is an exception that should be studied closely.

10s may be just a simple fluke when we didn't develop any elite guards. Also we didn't have elite coach for majority of the time. Only 2013-1016 stretch. Elite coach wouldn't hurt.
 
We had lots of players in Soviet NT until 1957 (Then Stonkus was 2nd in scoring). Paulauskas played 65-73. Jovaisa and Chomicius made debuts in late 70s. Basically we had one elite player for almost quarter of century
 
Fact is 80s, 90s, 00s stacked. 10's not. 20s should be stacked too. And the way things developing I think it will have continuation for 30s, at least first half.
 
Before claiming and dreaming that lithuanian basketball making comeback maybe lets start with making top8 1/4 game first time since 2016 ?


so far this ale stacked 2020s decade started just horribly 2021 shit,2022 shit 2023 will be shit


2010s decade started way better with unforgetable 2010 team that group brought 2 more medals later on.


Somehow im not seeing that 2020s results way being any better but its just me.
 
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