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2023 Lithuanian NT

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We don't care that you wouldn't trust him. I don't trust you, simulate your ass out of here.

Svajunas, I think the whole idea about international forum is to exchange ideas with fellows from different countries. I personally enjoy when foreigners give their insights even in Lithuanian subforum. Besides, Toruko is right. It's not like we can fully trust Ulanovas to shoot well in WC or that he can survive against bigget PFs defensively. Generally, we don't have a good answer at 4 ATM, even if I think this problem is a little bit overrated.
 
Balciunas: "Last decade was Valanciunas' decade, this decade will be new talents (Matas Buzelis) decade"

Even our head of federation can't wait to move on while JV is still in his prime :D

We gotta say it was a rough decade since we build around JV, since 2014. One medal and lot of disappointments. It's not on JV entirely. Maybe a bit more luck or one sharper guard at the right time and it would be different story, but I really hope we'll never building again around traditional center.
 
Ulanovas is not good shooter,neither is Sedekerskis or Sabonis.

Their stats shooting wide open 3points (that opponents risk by coach plan) on low attempts is misleading to real shooters that is shooting half of their shots contested ones.

In NT 2 weeks competion is more important how players is handle his emotions/brain inside him in this media era than his true shooting ability.

Put in empty gym with no cameras all NT players im telling u that ale 15% shooter from 2022 Giedraitis would outshoot every single NT player at minimum will be top 3.

Brazdeikis is bad 3point shooter overall (thats shows his usa and euroleague practise ) but he hit shots in those 2 weeks and i believe because he dont even got in 2022 how important NT is for lithuanian people and had way less pressure in his head compare to *real* lithuanians
 
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This season Ulanovas shoots some contested threes, some step backs though. Not that he now suddenly "a shooter", but it gives some promise. His confidence level is at the new high.

Sedekerskis shoots 38% in EL. Tubelis shoots 47% in NCAA. Both are open threes kinda shooters, but it's still OK. Jankunas was that kind of shooter and in some tournaments he was very useful. Like in 2015 where he shot 43.8% (7/16). That spreads the floor a little bit. Yeah, who wouldn't want Markkanen at 4, but it's not like we are completely naked at 4. Far from it. If Maksvytis wakes up, I believe Sedekerskis will surprise. He's pretty good already. I keep my hopes reserved as you can't trust or ask much from Tubelis, but he's also very interesting piece.

I mean when you have Sabonis, Kuzminskas, Sedekerskis, Ulanovas, Tubelis, you're not in the worst situation via 4 position in the world :) Despite not having one unquestionable and natural stud there.

Brazdeikis is pretty bad shooter, but also he is streaky. In College he shot 39%. He can randomly shoot like a nightmare or shoot the lights off.

PS: Maksvytis is the hostage of being Valanciunas' coach, IMO. He would barely reduce his role and that's gonna be his tragedy of he do that. The only success he's having is with 2 agile and good defending bigs. He can simulate that to certain extent with Sabonis, Sedekerskis, Tubelis. I hope he'll do the right thing.
 
This season Ulanovas shoots some contested threes, some step backs though. Not that he now suddenly "a shooter", but it gives some promise. His confidence level is at the new high.

Sedekerskis shoots 38% in EL. Tubelis shoots 47% in NCAA. Both are open threes kinda shooters, but it's still OK. Jankunas was that kind of shooter and in some tournaments he was very useful. Like in 2015 where he shot 43.8% (7/16). That spreads the floor a little bit. Yeah, who wouldn't want Markkanen at 4, but it's not like we are completely naked at 4. Far from it. If Maksvytis wakes up, I believe Sedekerskis will surprise. He's pretty good already. I keep my hopes reserved as you can't trust or ask much from Tubelis, but he's also very interesting piece.

I mean when you have Sabonis, Kuzminskas, Sedekerskis, Ulanovas, Tubelis, you're not in the worst situation via 4 position in the world :) Despite not having one unquestionable and natural stud there.

Brazdeikis is pretty bad shooter, but also he is streaky. In College he shot 39%. He can randomly shoot like a nightmare or shoot the lights off.

PS: Maksvytis is the hostage of being Valanciunas' coach, IMO. He would barely reduce his role and that's gonna be his tragedy of he do that. The only success he's having is with 2 agile and good defending bigs. He can simulate that to certain extent with Sabonis, Sedekerskis, Tubelis. I hope he'll do the right thing.

Its not a question of quality but chemistry. The point is you roughly get half of your points from two big and in order to operate freely they need space and the other guys must stretch the floor. It would be another question if you had someone like De Colo or Fournier a three level scorer but there is nobody in this class in your backcourt so you must play the right place, create open shots and they need to make them and therefore Kuzminskas is inevitable since he is the only combo forward he can make shots.

At least you should defend better with Ulanovas and Butkevicius.
 
Its not a question of quality but chemistry. The point is you roughly get half of your points from two big and in order to operate freely they need space and the other guys must stretch the floor. It would be another question if you had someone like De Colo or Fournier a three level scorer but there is nobody in this class in your backcourt so you must play the right place, create open shots and they need to make them and therefore Kuzminskas is inevitable since he is the only combo forward he can make shots.

At least you should defend better with Ulanovas and Butkevicius.

More or less agreed.

But that half points from two bis is not true. JV and Domas combined 28,7ppg from 89ppg total. They combine as much as Markkanen does by himself alone :) With better spacing they would probably score more. In a way it's actually an advantage to some extent. Many players can step up, like Kuz dropping 18pts in 8finals, or you never know when Lekavicius will drop 18pts. Almost 6 players were in double digits for LTU. But this "egalitarianism" is also a problem when we have to close games. We need leadership from the perimeter and we will barely have that this Olympic cycle.

Anyway, it's only a matter of time. We have too deep talent pool coming. Lithuania will climb back to top 5 FIBA NTs this decade.
 
My Euro, born 1998 and younger, Žalgirisless, Window NT:
Marek Blaževič
Danielius Lavrinovičius
Gytis Masiulis
Paulius Danusevičius
Arnoldas Kulboka
Paulius Murauskas
Lukas Uleckas
Matas Jogėla
Mantas Rubštavičius
Ignas Sargiūnas
Marius Valinskas
Arnas Velička

'Forgot' Kulboka because he never played in LKL. Out goes Mineikis
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ergB3nIQ1E&t=639s

At this element from todays ltu players Butkevicius and Sedekerskis is best in my opinion.

In theory they can do that moving without the ball around Domas even not being good shooters.

Dont wanna see coaches friends in PF as 11-12th players like 2019 Bendzius 2021 Masiulis 2022 Zukauskas

Its time even my formula says Tadas at 25 should be ready to help NT already in 2023-2024
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ergB3nIQ1E&t=639s

At this element from todays ltu players Butkevicius and Sedekerskis is best in my opinion.

In theory they can do that moving without the ball around Domas even not being good shooters.

Dont wanna see coaches friends in PF as 11-12th players like 2019 Bendzius 2021 Masiulis 2022 Zukauskas

Its time even my formula says Tadas at 25 should be ready to help NT already in 2023-2024

That's the area were we can surely improve further. We have plenty of good cutters. Aside mentioned, Kuz, Ulanovas, Brazdeikis, Tubelis are all good cutters. I remember Jokubaitis saying this summer "Domas always asks us to cut". It's the legacy of our turtle bb last decade. We were either playing p'n'r or watching JV posting up while everyone else remain stationary. I think Euro ball is not really about good cutting basketball, it's more American school, but we should polish this better. Lithuanian school used to be like driving in kicking out for shooters. But now we need to add much more cutting and movement without the ball around Sabonis and Jokubaitis. This duet is the key and will determine our upside in upcoming 2 tournaments. So far Jokubaitis had the best connection with Sabonis. They already played together in 2021 and 2022 and hopefully they will have even better chemistry in 2023. Fox and Ox game tapes is a must as Jokubaitis is also lefty and fits the narrative well.

https://twitter.com/caine_purnell/status/1410076927621091330
https://twitter.com/ltu_basketball/status/1560676804939378688
https://twitter.com/ltu_basketball/status/1559615183299006468

Three things that NT is surely capable to do it:

Improve chemistry with Sabonis (mainly cutting action and coming from the top)
Improve defense (reduce JVs minutes, add Ulanovas, Sedekerskis)
Play faster (most players love to run)
 
Thats why Toruko saying that He doesnt trust Ule is bs. He havent seen all the games that we did.
 
In last 5 minutes i want to see this lineup in 2023 atleast tried in close games

Dimsa,Butkevicius,Brazdeikis,Ulanovas,Sabonis

Switch everything,good size in all positions.

3 smart experienced dudes still in their athletic peak that defensively will be pain in ass for opponents, one elite long passer that sees everything and one wild unpredictable mustang in my eyes good mix of everything

If mustang will be too wild that day grigonis/jokubaitis in

most important thing there is chance that lineup will make stops when NT will need them !
 
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When you think about it 7,2ppg, 2,8apg in LKL kinda PG made 2022 NT....
 
In last 5 minutes i want to see this lineup in 2023 atleast tried in close games

Dimsa,Butkevicius,Brazdeikis,Ulanovas,Sabonis

Switch everything,good size in all positions.

3 smart experienced dudes still in their athletic peak that defensively will be pain in ass for opponents, one elite long passer that sees everything and one wild unpredictable mustang in my eyes good mix of everything

If mustang will be too wild that day grigonis/jokubaitis in

most important thing there is chance that lineup will make stops when NT will need them !

I like that. I'm an Ulės fan since day one. Butkė is a cool dude. Iggy is also cool. Dimša can score and bring some energy. And Sabukas can pass the ball.
 
We get to see Wemby going on us again...

Unleash Krivas to contest him :D Seriously, nor we nor other countries have anything to put in front of him...

I wonder how this will effect FIBA basketball. Something like forcing him to foul out probably is one of the ways to keep him out of the game? But how? He's agile and flexible with that size. Maybe bullying him in the post positions is one of the ways. I'm afraid prime Wemby will create another dominant dynasty of BB, just as Spain did with Pau and all the depth. I kinda enjoyed completely open EB 2022, but it won't last too long.
 
In last 5 minutes i want to see this lineup in 2023 atleast tried in close games

Dimsa,Butkevicius,Brazdeikis,Ulanovas,Sabonis

Switch everything,good size in all positions.

3 smart experienced dudes still in their athletic peak that defensively will be pain in ass for opponents, one elite long passer that sees everything and one wild unpredictable mustang in my eyes good mix of everything

If mustang will be too wild that day grigonis/jokubaitis in

most important thing there is chance that lineup will make stops when NT will need them !

The problem is that Ulanovas is undersized and too small for bigger PFs like Gainnis, Markkanen, Cancar, Vezenkov and such. In such cases I would rely on Sedekerskis at 4. But I'm not against to try Ulanovas at 4 at all.

With Dimsa the problem is that he's a bad decision maker. He can play D and he can shoot (if it's his night...he's super streaky). But his decisions is crap. He goes like from -4eff to +14 when he shoots well. When you pair Dimsa with anothe 2 bad decision maker in the perimeter - Butkevicius, Brazdeikis, you have a problem. You don't have a single decision maker. Well, in your line-up Ulanovas would be play making and sharpening things, but it's probably not enough.

Sabonis is a glue guy and paradigm player that you can build general identity and he can establish presence that will make NT better, but he's not a clutch player. He's not a player who can take the ball and go for his own buckets. We still need that guy with the ball in the clutch. IDK if we can put Ulanovas in this position. It works so far for Zalgiris, but he's also not exactly this guy. Our best chance is Jokubaitis' growth and even current presence, but the problem is that he is not very good defender.

I'm OK to give a chance for such line-up, but essentially it would work much better if it was some-one like D. Giedraitis. A guy who is a good defender and a good decision maker. But unfortunately this season Giedraitis progress wasn't as expected and he always has issues with health.

In 2-3 years I hope Marciulionis will occupy that position when you want DEFENSE and still solid play making at 1. He should become that guy of a short stretched playing bully defense and likely closing some games.

Dimsa is neither good decision maker or point guard. But probably we won't have any better option and we'll have to give it a shot. Just to give a little bit of a chill on Dimsa, he's a 15mpg, 3.3eff kinda guy for Zalgiris in EL. It only looks good when his shots fall...and it happened only in 3 games this season in EL. I would suggest to keep expectations on him reserved cause solid D is the only good thing that he does on a daily basis.
 
Nobody cares about your theories, coach will put what works in reality.

Dimsa,Butkevicius,Ulanovas,Brazdeikis works in euroleague thats 10 more important fact than your theoritical horoscope very biased predictions on beloved players.

Daily guard defence that what our backourt lacked alot in 2022 when Arnas had to defend everybody.


Start putting finger on Sabonis for all star is not good enough to be just good,NT need great Sabonis. Untill Sabonis will show he can dominate fiba courts nobody will put most producing player Valanciunas on bench .

Not coach must make this desicion,but Sabonis show with his play that its time for that . Coaches in 2022 they put Sabonis inside and JV near 3point line,but when Sabonis couldnt take advantage of Cancar/Muric inside in Slovenia game and looked overpowered with just 6pts in 34min against France giants coaches said enough we will go now to plan B

And Valanciunas produced his best game with NT jersey. Picturing like only Valanciunas is getting balls inside and Sabonis is not getting touches is funny and simply not true.

Domas shoots 6-7 shots not because he dont get touches,he touches ball more than anybody, but he shoots only layups and from 2m distance when he manages to fight his way that close to the basket. If he would shoot open 4-5m jumpers (that opponents gives him) it would be 12-13 shots attempts and his game would be way easier.


Sabonis himself have to step up in fiba, not his fan blame everybody else for his average game according to his level he can

Pikenrolas trio when discused who played better in eurobasket and who should get best lithuanian player award for 2022 said it was Jonas and Pakenas is big Sabonis fan and tried find arguments but even he admitted that. Kleiza and Vysniauskas was sure who played better in eurobasket.
 
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Sabonis ready for WC 2023:

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketb...is-the-world-cup-is-going-to-be-very-exciting

TBH, I would love to see how JV absent NT would look. How it would change the dynamics, the hierarchy, defense, intensity. I'm not saying that NT would be necessary better, but I think it would be very healthy experiment. I simply don't believe we can win anything with the identity - Valanciunas' stagnant, slow offense + zero defense. This sh...has zero chance.

Really waiting when we will make a real shift from that shit finally...
 
I don't believe you. You have 20 pages in 7 threads to convince me you are honest

You should trust the holistic goal more...In sports it's fun win, and that's what I want to see NT doing. That's all what's it about.
 
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