2020 Olympics New tournament format. Predictions. General talk

[Shawshank2]

Dude, way too early to speculate on a drawing I doubt we'll (Lithuania) get screwed 2 tournaments in a row by a draw (and partially FIBA itself). But first of all there's Olympic qualification and Slovenia.

dude, im talking about new system not ltu nt . Making 2 diffrent draws for only 12 team tournament looks strange idea and possibly counting +- scores against diffrent level teams and by that decide who gets eliminated for me sounds even more strange.

I want to see more olympic basketball not less in olympic years when all the best players playing and less lucky/unlucky draws made.Fiba went diffrent way.

 

[Gabe Ball2]

I agree it's still too early to know, we'll just have to wait and see

 

[yisoo2]

I don't like it either. run 3 Never liked system with that "2 best 3rd place finishers" or similar formats, when teams can't decide their fate between each other and are dependent on other groups. Imagine you are getting the USA in your group, you're blowing out by some 30, and you're most likely out thnx due to worse points difference just because the draw wasn't favorable, fc it. It was a great format, with a lot of great games, but FIBA needs to show that they are working and as usual FC ked up. No doubt they pushed IOC to this idea

Your opinion is very clear!!

 

[YodaJD2]

I agree too, it's to early too early to know, we must wait and see. however here have nice opinions.

 

[Straight forward2]

David Silver says that it's unlikely that NBA will have a brake during Olympics. It would be huge blow for the Olympics itself. I think Spain would suffer a lot, because Rubio was the main piece for them in 2019 and Lull, Rodriguez are getting washed out. Serbia surely would feel this sharply because BOG is their best player in FIBA, IMO, and Jokic is Jokic, plus Bjelica (but Serbia would still be a good team). I don't see how France would survive without Fournier, Gobert, they do have depth, but those 2 and even such defensive monsters as Ntilikina matters. Lithuania, IMO, would suffer the least from European best teams. Domas and JV are impactful, but, IMO, not vital and we do have solid bigs like Gudaitis, Birutis, Geben, also that means we really beating Slovenia in qualification. If NBA players won't show up, Greece should be in Olympics and they won't miss Giannis all that much, he's not a good fit for FIBA. Americans without NBA players would probably suck at FIBA. G league players and some college studs? If there' no young Durant now (I didn't study all that much really), they are in real trouble. At least the title would be completely open then, and I think Euro powerhouses would go after it.

Also I think knowing this situation with Corona and NBA, there's tons of chances Olympics will take place only in 2022.

 

[Katastroika2]

We should qualify but we will have a B roster. Which out of some reason feels bad because that could have been a peak of two combined generations. Anyways, as you have said - it can open the path to some epic sensation and overthrowing of USA.

 

[Mindozas6]

Also I think knowing this situation with Corona and NBA, there's tons of chances Olympics will take place only in 2022.

The last thing I read about the issue few months ago, it was said - 2021 or its cancelled, unless some new info appeared, maybe missed it. Anyway, looks like basketball will suffer the most here. No star players - the prestige of bball tournament would go down drastically, I'm a huge Olympics fan, but I don't even know if I want to see some B-squads competing for such honorable award like Olympic medal, it would be the worst bball Olympic tournament ever, even without NBA pros we used to have best other NTs from around the world. Shitty situation. I hope some solution will be found, still lot of time to go

 

[Straight forward2]

The last thing I read about the issue few months ago, it was said - 2021 or its cancelled

It would make sense. I see what you mean, but to me it would still be fun to go without NBA players. Still huge entertainment even if not that exciting and special event when absolutely all best athletes come.

 

[madmax2]

The last thing I read about the issue few months ago, it was said - 2021 or its cancelled, unless some new info appeared, maybe missed it. Anyway, looks like basketball will suffer the most here. No star players - the prestige of bball tournament would go down drastically, I'm a huge Olympics fan, but I don't even know if I want to see some B-squads competing for such honorable award like Olympic medal, it would be the worst bball Olympic tournament ever, even without NBA pros we used to have best other NTs from around the world. Shitty situation. I hope some solution will be found, still lot of time to go

ikr...
as much as I enjoy gruelling FIBA grindfests and this brand of basketball, not having the best players compete would significantly diminish the prestige of the tournament. I probably wouldn't even watch any games at all, that including lithuanian games as well lol. The Olympic basketball event would become the same 3rd rate competition as Olympic football is imo

 

[Victorious2]

David Silver says that it's unlikely that NBA will have a brake during Olympics. It would be huge blow for the Olympics itself. I think Spain would suffer a lot, because Rubio was the main piece for them in 2019 and Lull, Rodriguez are getting washed out. Serbia surely would feel this sharply because BOG is their best player in FIBA, IMO, and Jokic is Jokic, plus Bjelica (but Serbia would still be a good team). I don't see how France would survive without Fournier, Gobert, they do have depth, but those 2 and even such defensive monsters as Ntilikina matters. Lithuania, IMO, would suffer the least from European best teams. Domas and JV are impactful, but, IMO, not vital and we do have solid bigs like Gudaitis, Birutis, Geben, also that means we really beating Slovenia in qualification. If NBA players won't show up, Greece should be in Olympics and they won't miss Giannis all that much, he's not a good fit for FIBA. Americans without NBA players would probably suck at FIBA. G league players and some college studs? If there' no young Durant now (I didn't study all that much really), they are in real trouble. At least the title would be completely open then, and I think Euro powerhouses would go after it.

Also I think knowing this situation with Corona and NBA, there's tons of chances Olympics will take place only in 2022.

Without NBA players most of the same teams will be strong, but there will be not much difference in level among them.

The biggest loss will be for the USA, Canada, Australia and France. This will impact the medals.
Yet, France, Spain and Serbia will be weaker, but decent enough. These countries still have plenty of talent in Europe.
Greece and Lithuania will gladly sacrifice their NBA players (Giannis, Valanciounas, Sabonis) for the loss of the NBA players of the above mentioned countries.

 

[Chuck Diesel2]

Think 12 of the top American Euroleaguers (unnaturalized by other countries) could still compete for gold in Tokyo.

Brown/Henry
Loyd/James
Higgins/Hilliard/Barron
Clyburn/Booker (if healthy)
Hines/Reynolds

Baldwin, Mickey, Peters and plenty of others on deck.

 

[Katastroika2]

Think 12 of the top American Euroleaguers (unnaturalized by other countries) could still compete for gold in Tokyo.

Brown/Henry
Loyd/James
Higgins/Hilliard/Barron
Clyburn/Booker (if healthy)
Hines/Reynolds

Baldwin, Mickey, Peters and plenty of others on deck.

I think that this is a very good team but they wouldn't be the best team in the competition. I think that a more balanced non NBA Finals roster out of NBA playerse is the prefered option of coach Pop. USA had a nominally very solid team in China and looked horrible.

I think best would be a 2010 or 2014 like roster of young extremely talented players that are on the edge of getting superstars. The only one of this category in China was Donovan Mitchell (besides Tatum who had health issues).

 

[ChuckDiesel22]

I think that this is a very good team but they wouldn't be the best team in the competition. I think that a more balanced non NBA Finals roster out of NBA playerse is the prefered option of coach Pop. USA had a nominally very solid team in China and looked horrible.

I think best would be a 2010 or 2014 like roster of young extremely talented players that are on the edge of getting superstars. The only one of this category in China was Donovan Mitchell (besides Tatum who had health issues).

Oh I agree, by and large you're going to have a better chance with NBA players than non NBA players. I was mostly trying to take a stab at fielding an all Euroleague Team USA with the best shot to compete for a gold, which I don't think is that far fetched. They might not be the favorites, but if Mike James and Jordan Loyd get hot from deep or Will Clyburn has a timely block or whatever, there's no reason they couldn't be in the mix in the medal rounds. Also, there's a case to be made that 12 Euroleague Americans would have more familiarity with one another than last year's China failure due to the comparatively fewer teams in the league and many of them having been teammates, not to mention their familiarity with the rules, refs and competition.

A repeat of 2010 and 2014 would be ideal, but there were generational talents on those teams. As you said, that wasn't the case in 2019. For me there's a clear line of demarcation where if dudes start catching "dropout fever" again next summer and USA basketball is down to their fifth or sixth options, I think I'd rather roll with Pierra Henry and Othello Hunter than the Colin Sextons and Mitchell Robinsons of the world.

By the way, I was locked out of my account for some reason, hence the new username.

 

[ChuckDiesel22]

If USA Basketball can put out any (positionally distributed) 12 of the following 35 players, they should be in really good shape to win gold. After that it starts getting dicey.

PGs
Lillard
Curry
Paul
Morant
Lowry
Irving
VanVleet
Holiday
Young
Brogdon

2’s
Harden
Booker
Beal
Mitchell
LaVine
Westbrook

Wings
Leonard
Butler
Tatum
George
Ingram
Middleton
J. Brown
Covington
Mikal Bridges

Bigs
James
Davis
Durant
Adebayo
Aldridge
Jaren Jackson Jr.
Zion
Griffin
Love
Turner

 

[Katastroika2]

Yeah, that is a good list. But it depends who of them is coming. It's a difference if James and Davis show up or Turner and Love. Same with Middleton and Brown or Leonard and Tatum. Olympic Gold is very important to Team USA, I am 100% sure there will be a well balanced great team.

 

[Straight forward2]

On other hand, the game time for those who will be following games lives from Europe... 6 AM or sometimes even 4 AM...it's a torture...

 

[Mindozas6]

On other hand, the game time for those who will be following games lives from Europe... 6 AM or sometimes even 4 AM...it's a torture...

I moved your post to this thread as I think you mean Tokyo Olympics

Overall I agree, times sucks. I remember 2006 World Champ in Japan, there hardly were games at such early time or the same Beijing 2008. You could watch most of the games in the morning or at midday with very few exceptions. Even in Sydney 2000 with even bigger time differences, such late night games were only bronze one and probably opener vs Italy

 

[mojo132]

Noticed the other day that the Olympics announced all games will be played without foreign spectators.
Not sure if anyone hear was planning to attend, but that won't happen now.

Hurts some of the countries that travel well or are in closer proximity to Japan as their fans won't be there.

 

[Straight forward2]

4 FIBA writers give early prediction. Kaunas qualification tournament now happens to be most waited and hardest to predict tournament. All 4 fellows agrees that Canada, Brazil and Serbia are clear favorites to snatch the tickets, while Lithuania and Slovenia each share 2 votes.

Not sure if P. Mills still at the point to be best scorer of Olympics, it's on Bogdanovic or Fournier, IMO.

As for medalists...to me it's USA gold, CANADA silver (some peppers here!) and SERBIA (shouldn't choke 2 times in a raw)

http://www.fiba.basketball/olympics...ho-will-qualify-and-who-will-impress-in-tokyo

 

[Katastroika2]

4 FIBA writers give early prediction. Kaunas qualification tournament now happens to be most waited and hardest to predict tournament. All 4 fellows agrees that Canada, Brazil and Serbia are clear favorites to snatch the tickets, while Lithuania and Slovenia each share 2 votes.

Not sure if P. Mills still at the point to be best scorer of Olympics, it's on Bogdanovic or Fournier, IMO.

As for medalists...to me it's USA gold, CANADA silver (some peppers here!) and SERBIA (shouldn't choke 2 times in a raw)

http://www.fiba.basketball/olympics...ho-will-qualify-and-who-will-impress-in-tokyo

How the fuck Brazil is favourite in Croatia?! Against Germany and Croatia? I don't see that they are any stronger than those two mentioned especially in Croatia.