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Simonas1232
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Lithuania will be bringing an army of fans to Turkey. Only about 600 this time, though. Here's the article: http://www.lithuaniabasketball.com/news-421-lithuania-bringing-an-army-of-fans-to-turkey.html
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gazara2
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but now they deserve more ,don tell me that ji yanlin better than Vroman 
in Asian Championship ,Vroman Simply kill him under the basket and not him only also Wang Zhizhi ,2 players over 212 and Vroman killed them ,also freijie made big impact ...
For Sure Freijie Khatib and Vroman will receive NBA Offers
(Elie Restom one of the best deffenders ,big Heart)
(El Khatib our Legend)
(Turkoglu and Freijie)
(Abdel Nour)
(Jax Vroman)
(Ali Kannan)
(El Fahed our best shooter)
(Our coach Thomas Baldwin)
Stankovic Cup in Khatib Hands after a big win agaisnt Japan by 39 pts
Lebanese Crazy Fans
Goooooo LEBANONNNNNNNNNNNN
in Asian Championship ,Vroman Simply kill him under the basket and not him only also Wang Zhizhi ,2 players over 212 and Vroman killed them ,also freijie made big impact ...
For Sure Freijie Khatib and Vroman will receive NBA Offers
(Elie Restom one of the best deffenders ,big Heart)
(El Khatib our Legend)
(Turkoglu and Freijie)
(Abdel Nour)
(Jax Vroman)
(Ali Kannan)
(El Fahed our best shooter)
(Our coach Thomas Baldwin)
Stankovic Cup in Khatib Hands after a big win agaisnt Japan by 39 pts
Lebanese Crazy Fans
Goooooo LEBANONNNNNNNNNNNN
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Luíz for 32
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but now they deserve more ,don tell me that ji yanlin better than Vroman
in Asian Championship ,Vroman Simply kill him under the basket and not him only also Wang Zhizhi ,2 players over 212 and Vroman killed them ,also freijie made big impact ...
For Sure Freijie Khatib and Vroman will receive NBA Offers
Fadi El Khatib, Matt Freije and Jackson Vroman are near to the age of 30 and their chances to make to the NBA are lower. Even if they do it well for Lebanon this summer in Turkey. Freije and Vroman had already their shot in NBA, but they fail.
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sagenas2
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gazara, I don't want to be rude, but are you dreaming? I agree, threy're good players, but NBA? You must be joking. They're stars at their level, but at world level they can't play very good. 
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gazara2
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man when Matt can Score over Argentina 27 pts and be the best scorer in the game and when Vroman put Scola in Foul trouble ?? this is not WC level ...Which team is for you A WC Level Lithuaniaa ??
Go kill yourself
you will in WC what the Trio can do Khatib-Matt-Vroman
wait and see
Go kill yourself
you will in WC what the Trio can do Khatib-Matt-Vroman wait and see
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daniab2
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man when Matt can Score over Argentina 27 pts and be the best scorer in the game and when Vroman put Scola in Foul trouble ?? this is not WC level ...Which team is for you A WC Level Lithuaniaa ??
Go kill yourself
wait and see
Gazara , please stop ...
We r proud of our players and our team but there is no need to overrate them to look strong so enough with these posts.
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Justin in AZ2
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I actually agree with Gazara. Freije especially. While playing in US college, he set a school record in points, in a very difficult conference, and carried his team to very advanced levels.
A lot of success in NBA depends on your reputation and expectations. Without those things, you do not get playing time, and without playing time, you do not look very good.
Keep in mind, the NBA is a league that values most of all one thing: altheticism, i.e., jumping high with long arms, big dunks, etc. Many excellent players do not get drafted, signed, or get playing time because they lack this element.
Athletic is usually not always the best basketball player, but that is the business model of the NBA.
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Justin in AZ2
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but now they deserve more ,don tell me that ji yanlin better than Vroman
in Asian Championship ,Vroman Simply kill him under the basket and not him only also Wang Zhizhi ,2 players over 212 and Vroman killed them ,also freijie made big impact ... For Sure Freijie Khatib and Vroman will receive NBA Offers
The Chinese are horrible. They are in the NBA for one single reason: marketing. The NBA business plan is to expand to China. It is that simple.
Many forget, NBA is a business with international ambitions. It is about one thing first and foremost: money. The quality of the basketball is secondary.
Many American basketball fans, such as myself, follow college basketball and international basketball more than the NBA, because the NBA is a travesty of sport today. See for example, this article by an American fan:
http://basketballnoitall.blogspot.com/2010/08/top-ten-ways-that-college-basketball-is.html
There is no doubt that both Freije and Vroman deserve second chance in NBA, based on their skill. For example, Vroman has proven on the court that he is as good as Scola, that is a fact.
BUT..... Scola can interest the entire continent of South America in the NBA. We are talking $dollars$ here. What can Vroman bring that compares to that?
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sseppel2
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You have an excelent example with Navarro or Jasikevicius. Terrific players, both of them. Pure talent and skill. But they lack athleticism, so they couldn't succeed in the NBA.
These guys were mere shooters in the NBA, when they have been MVPs in Europe.
Anyway, I still think these Libanese guys should prove they can compete in Europe first before even consider they can be important in the NBA. Vroman did play a couple of years in Spain and in Lithuania for a while, but his train to the NBA has already departed.
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sseppel2
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ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Ok, maybe Vroman played better than Scola in one single game, but saying that he has proven on the court that he is as good as Scola...
Scola has played for years in a top - Euroleague team being the undisputed leader of the team. WTF, I think he is still the Euroleague top scorer ever (if not he is the close second or third). Vroman was a correct player in the same league, but his statistics and impact in the game were not even close even when he was in teams that were one or two steps lower than TAU. Besides, I don't really think an Argentinian would interest "the entire continent of South America" precisely. Moreover, he has definitely proven his value in the NBA. Look his statistics, for god sake. Or watch both play.
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Alvertis42
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I love Scola, I'm not very familiar with Vroman, but the NBA is definitely the last place I'd compare basketball talent between two non-American players
sseppel, you are right about Scola being a top performer in Europe, but I think you are overrating the NBA here.
Jasikevicius is the best European player of the decade and didn't shine in the NBA. Nobody can seriously consider him 2nd to any other player(maybe to only Bodiroga)
Does that matter?
Would you say that Vujacic is better than Jasikevicius because he plays for the Lakers (sometimes) ?
sseppel, you are right about Scola being a top performer in Europe, but I think you are overrating the NBA here.
Jasikevicius is the best European player of the decade and didn't shine in the NBA. Nobody can seriously consider him 2nd to any other player(maybe to only Bodiroga)
Does that matter?
Would you say that Vujacic is better than Jasikevicius because he plays for the Lakers (sometimes) ?
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sseppel2
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I love Scola, I'm not very familiar with Vroman, but the NBA is definitely the last place I'd compare basketball talent between two non-American players
sseppel, you are right about Scola being a top performer in Europe, but I think you are overrating the NBA here.
Jasikevicius is the best European player of the decade and didn't shine in the NBA. Nobody can seriously consider him 2nd to any other player(maybe to only Bodiroga)
Does that matter?
Would you say that Vujacic is better than Jasikevicius because he plays for the Lakers (sometimes) ?
I think there must have been some misunderstanding here. I have NOT said that Scola is better than Vroman because he played better in the NBA. I said that Scola has proven through all his career that he is a huge player. First in Europe and later in the NBA and with his NT. Definitely better than Vroman. About the comparision I made between them, I ment when they both played in the ACB, Scola for TAU Vitoria and Vroman for Gran Canaria and Girona.
Actually, I said in a previous message that players like Jasikevicius or Navarro didn't succeed in the NBA and are outstanding players. So I really don't see what your point is.
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gazara2
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i am not Overrating Friejie and Vroman and Khatib but you can t say that these 3 are not good players and cant do anything in WC level !
these 3 are top players and can do a lot in WC
these 3 are top players and can do a lot in WC
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all_about2
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Team USA is the team I am cheering for in this World Cup Championship since the PHILIPPINES is not included.
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sagenas2
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man when Matt can Score over Argentina 27 pts and be the best scorer in the game and when Vroman put Scola in Foul trouble ?? this is not WC level ...Which team is for you A WC Level Lithuaniaa ??
Go kill yourself
wait and see
Well, by saying "world level" I didn't meant about World Championship, because there's teams which aren't very good at internetional level. I'm saying that in NBA (or even in top Euroleague level) they might not play so well as they play now ;] I'm saying, that your country team isn't one of the top teams where players must fight for their place in roster.
By the way, few years ago Vroman played in Lietuvos Rytas (then he was still with american (? If I remember correctly) passport
He's good, but I don't think he made such a big proggress. And first of all, he needs to show his abilitys in top euroleague teams, if he wan't to get many attention.
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Justin in AZ2
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Well, by saying "world level" I didn't meant about World Championship, because there's teams which aren't very good at internetional level. I'm saying that in NBA (or even in top Euroleague level) they might not play so well as they play now ;] I'm saying, that your country team isn't one of the top teams where players must fight for their place in roster.
By the way, few years ago Vroman played in Lietuvos Rytas (then he was still with american (? If I remember correctly) passport
I think this illustrates what I mean about "expectation" being very important. On Lebanon's national team, he HAS TO BE the man, there is no one else. And guess what happens? He plays as good as anyone, tearing apart Argentina for example with all of the NBA talent.
In NBA, or for Euro club, the expectation is much lower, and so his playing time is less, and so his production is less.
I suggest that he is as good as Scola, but is never given the chance to prove it unless he is on the national team. The confidence and expection bring out the best in him. Everywhere else, he is considered a backup, so that is all he ever produces.
Food for thought, no? How else do we explain his spectacular performance against top-flight international competition? [The same could be said for Freije.]
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Buran2
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Iran's official roster for Turkey 2010 is not out yet, but the federation just announced that Iran's Captain, Samad Nikkhah-Bahrami will also be missing the tournament because of injury.
Earlier, it was also announced that Iran's prolific 3pt shooter(SG), Hamed Afagh, will be missing the games due to knee injury.
With both these key players out, I don't think Iran could put on an impressive show in Turkey (Hope they prove me wrong).
Earlier, it was also announced that Iran's prolific 3pt shooter(SG), Hamed Afagh, will be missing the games due to knee injury.
With both these key players out, I don't think Iran could put on an impressive show in Turkey (Hope they prove me wrong).
Khalid802
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Lebanese fans who are going to Izmir will also be making alot of noise
I will be one of them
(Bought an afro red wig, printed some t-shirts with bball designs, have the Lebanese flag ready, but I don't know if i'll also paint my face yet )
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thelebanese802
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WHO WILL WIN THE FIBA WORLD CUP (TURKEY 2010)?
VOTE HERE: http://www.lebanesebasketball.co.cc/2010/07/who-will-win-fiba-world-championship.html
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sagenas2
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In Europe there's many teams where they could be main players.
Teams of Lithuania, Germany, France and etc. don't have money for stars and can't have their best national players in their team so some key players must be foreigners. Like Hollis Price jumped from Lietuvos Rytas to Dinamo (when they were quite expensive team), Eidson jumped from Lietuvos Rytas to Maccabi and I can give you much more examples. By the way, when Vroman played in Lietuvos Rytas, other teams weren't very interested in him. Every player have his chance. but not every handles it. ;]