16 of March - Murdered

[Big Lebowski2]

 

[goga782]

You can call it a homicide or a manslaughter. A murder has a totally different quality. Besides, it's not even a full-consciuos homicide. So, with all regrets to Rachel Corrie's parents, you can stop your propaganda try right away.

 

[C022]

1. Nobody proved she was murdered.
2. When you come to a war area, trying to interfere with army operation you have a very good chance of not coming back.
3. I hope that her death has explained to the other brainless freaks of this kind that such games are dangerous and should be avoided.

 

[rikhardur2]

Come on goga78 don't see that right away as propaganda (it kind of reminds me of our "debates" )

 

[goga782]

Come on goga78 don't see that right away as propaganda (it kind of reminds me of our "debates" )

Rik, amigo mio!
How should a call a statement that is only there to twist the facts? It's not like R.I.P. Rachel Corrie, it's calling sth. a marduer which wasn't a murder at all. She paid the risk of going to a no-go area where no one in his mind could guarantee safety to her. If you plant yourself infront of a bulldozer with the driver having no chance to see you, it's your own risk and no judge a this world (well, I'm overestimating this profession here and now ) would speak the bulldozer driver guilty of a negligent homicide, since th cause and the result was self-inflicted. A murder has different qualifications, which simply don't fit here. If you chose to call it a murder, it's simply not true and since it is being placed in here because of political reasons (not humanitarian in any sense), it's propaganda.
Why for all the reasons in the world is no one complaining and writing sth. about a mass genocide in Darfur or a recent REAL murder of the Russian journalist Ivan Safronov? It would be a good and sincere topic, where no one would be of a different opinion. Why don't we find a photo of an Israeli teenager, who was blown up, while riding a bus for a single reason - because he was a Jew and there was an intent to MURDER him or sb. else, regardless of who this man or woman is?

 

[C022]

Why for all the reasons in the world is no one complaining and writing sth. about a mass genocide in Darfur or a recent REAL murder of the Russian journalist Ivan Safronov? It would be a good and sincere topic, where no one would be of a different opinion. Why don't we find a photo of an Israeli teenager, who was blown up, while riding a bus for a single reason - because he was a Jew and there was an intent to MURDER him or sb. else, regardless of who this man or woman is?

Would you just stop this whining ?! One guy started anti-israeli propaganda
topic. So fucking what ? What is the big deal ?
And you know what ? May be this topic is even not about Israel, but about the driver of that bulldozer, who Big Lebowsky accuses of murder personally and he never intended to claim that Israel was a murderous state

 

[goga782]

Would you just stop this whining ?! One guy started anti-israeli propaganda
topic. So fucking what ? What is the big deal ?
And you know what ? May be this topic is even not about Israel, but about the driver of that bulldozer, who Big Lebowsky accuses of murder personally and he never intended to claim that Israel was a murderous state

You know, it's better to think before writing such stuff. If you tend not to answer to such topics and let lies stand alone, it's your businness, although this is not the right behaviour imho. You know pretty darn good, that Big Lebowski didn't mean a sigle person here.
So waht? Yes, we can't cure the world but we can have an argument with another person and delivers proofs and facts if we don't like some wrong statements being uttered. After all, there are enough people whoe have no clue what's going on and one-two such unanswered topics are enough for them to take one side in this conflict still without knowing anything.

 

[C022]

You know, it's better to think before writing such stuff. If you tend not to answer to such topics and let lies stand alone, it's your businness, although this is not the right behaviour imho. You know pretty darn good, that Big Lebowski didn't mean a sigle person here.
So whht? Yes, we can't cure the world but we can have an argument with another person and delivers proofs and facts if we don't like some wrong statements being uttered. After all, there are enough people whoe have no clue what's going on and one-two such unanswered topics are enough for them to take one side in this conflict still without knowing anything.

I did answer to the topic as you can see. I just hate this "why it's always about the jews" whining. Firstly, because it just NOT. Secondly, you sound intelligent enough to understand that arab-israeli conflict is much more popular and known topic than a murder of some russian journalist or a civil war in Sudan, or whatever it was and as such is much more likely to be brought up in whatever connection. Yet you chose being extremely naive about this specific issue making a laughable comparison with some anonymous to 99.999% of the earth population, russian journalist.
Looking for an excuse to start this "why they are always against the jews" whining. [edited].

 

[Jan van Grabski2]

Flowers are beautiful because they die.

Is she your hero, BL ? Sad, when words like "hero" focus on the death, not the life.

 

[Calvin2]

Didn't Rachel Corrie win a Darwin Award. If she didn't she was robbed. Anyone dumb enough to be a fail buffer in that conflict deserves what they get.

 

[Nikoo2]

6,525,170,264.
Yes I'm emotionless freak

 

[HIGHLANDER2]

Everything a side. You have to respect these people because they choose to go and try to help other people who are obviously powerless, regardless of how dangerous it might be. Yes we can all have an a opinion but really we are all just sitting on our arses and they are actually trying to make a difference.

 

[MikeMaccabiFan2]

Everything a side. You have to respect these people because they choose to go and try to help other people who are obviously powerless, regardless of how dangerous it might be. Yes we can all have an a opinion but really we are all just sitting on our arses and they are actually trying to make a difference.

I have no respect for people helping (for whatever reason) terrorists to kill our children. They give them legitimation, publicity, and martyrs - she's not the one, though - I don't think she's any different from someone coming to building site and being killed by bulldozer.

 

[LuDux2]

6,525,170,264.
Yes I'm emotionless freak

There did you get that number?


Here's my calculations according to http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

6,320,400,266 2003-3-16 12:00 am (1)
6,320,650,278 2003-3-17 12:00 am (2)
0,000,250,012 difference in 24 hours (3)
0,000,010,417 difference in 1 hour (4)
according to wikipedia it happened "[Between 16:45 and 17:00]"
10,417*16,75=174,488 (5a) and 10,417*17,00=177,092 (5b)
(1)+(5a)-1=6,320,574,753 and (1)+(5b)-1=6,320,577,357

 

[C022]

You people are nothing but cynical heartless bastards

 

[goga782]

I did answer to the topic as you can see. I just hate this "why it's always about the jews" whining. Firstly, because it just NOT. Secondly, you sound intelligent enough to understand that arab-israeli conflict is much more popular and known topic than a murder of some russian journalist or a civil war in Sudan, or whatever it was and as such is much more likely to be brought up in whatever connection. Yet you chose being extremely naive about this specific issue making a laughable comparison with some anonymous to 99.999% of the earth population, russian journalist.
Looking for an excuse to start this "why they are always against the jews" whining. [edited].

Sorry, this journalist isn't anonymous, since his death was reported in all big Western media outlets and it came right before his alleged publication of Russian deliveries of weapons to Syria and Iran via Belorussia.
I guess, you know the reason for "popularity" of the Arab-Israeli conflict in the Western World, but it's still not a reason not to point fingers to much more real and acute problems in this world. Since every comment that comes from the leftists' side is about alleged humanitarian concerns, why not confront them with issues like Darfur, killing of journalists (freedom of press, freedom of opinion)?
Yes, it's way too often about "the Jews" and way too often the allegations are based on bias, lies, propaganda. If we don't confront them, who is going to do so? If you find your time to be too precious to engage yourself in talks like that since you cannot convince your opponent, so be it. But don't call people naive, who make their voice public. Of course, neither you nor I nor anybody else can convince an anti-Israel hardliner with facts. But there are lots of other people reading and listening who do not have any kind of opinion. You want also to lose them and live in a kind of isolationism in Israel? You can't afford it to be that way.

 

[goga782]

Everything a side. You have to respect these people because they choose to go and try to help other people who are obviously powerless, regardless of how dangerous it might be. Yes we can all have an a opinion but really we are all just sitting on our arses and they are actually trying to make a difference.

Highlander, whom do they try to help? What is their aim? What are they trying to reach? These people fully support terrorist acts against Israel and the Western World as a whole. Such people never go to demonstrate against dictators, against terrorism. Their whole aim is to be anti-US and anti-Israel. They aren't helping anybody in this world. They are blended with sth. they hold for idealism, but in reality it is a political one-sidedness with no regards to facts and individual deeds.
Would it be just because of humanitarian reasons, they would go to Palestinian communities and collect money for them, try to make any kind of ventures, that would lead to jobs for the unemployed in high rates Palestinian population. They would preach peace there and try to get into the Palestinians' minds with that idea. They would go to Israel and help the people in Sderot, who are being bombed with Kassam rockets every single day of the year. They would try to iniciate similar projects as above for Israelis living below the poverty line. They would try to make joined ventures by Palestinians and Israelis, who could work together, exchange ideas etc not only to political topics (Actually, such initiatives exist but only in cases, where Israelis take the position of the Palestinians to 100%).
The actions of Rachel Corrie and the Palestinian Solidarity Movement, to which she belonged, as well as other such organisations actions are simply politically motivated and contain one-sided bias. What did she try to do in Gaza? Protect the house of a mass-murderer, who blew himself up in Israel, killing truly innocent people with intent? Why not go to Israel to parents, children and other relatives of the victims and stand by their side? If only one-sided, but that would be the only logical reason to act for her.
Go to this website: http://www.palsolidarity.org/ and look for yourself what kind of organisation it is. Read their texts, read about them on google.

 

[C022]

...I guess, you know the reason for "popularity" of the Arab-Israeli conflict in the Western World...

What reason would that be in your opinion ? Let me guess...The conflict is a good excuse for yet again blaming the jews for every single kind of crime the humanity knows about ?

 

[C022]

Highlander, whom do they try to help? What is their aim? What are they trying to reach? These people fully support terrorist acts against Israel and the Western World as a whole. Such people never go to demonstrate against dictators, against terrorism. Their whole aim is to be anti-US and anti-Israel. They aren't helping anybody in this world. They are blended with sth. they hold for idealism, but in reality it is a political one-sidedness with no regards to facts and individual deeds.

I must say that you are the only person here trying to drag this topic into a political discussion. You are the one who is trying to get some anti-left-arab propaganda going, while no anti-israeli reactions/propaganda have been seen so far, except for the first (actually not containing any text) post
So I can conlcude that you actually enjoy participating in such topics and would probably start one if BL had not given you this opportunity to jump onto.

 

[HIGHLANDER2]

Highlander, whom do they try to help? What is their aim? What are they trying to reach? These people fully support terrorist acts against Israel and the Western World as a whole. Such people never go to demonstrate against dictators, against terrorism. Their whole aim is to be anti-US and anti-Israel. They aren't helping anybody in this world. They are blended with sth. they hold for idealism, but in reality it is a political one-sidedness with no regards to facts and individual deeds.

I am talking about this girl Rachel Corrie and others like her who looked to be supporting the ordinary people of the Palestine whom where not terrorists and going about there normal daily life..