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Toxicity2
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No more comments in this thread?!? 
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Metec2
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Ouch! It is hard to watch.
It all starts with and ends with our defence. Currently Italy is on 85-90 points pace which is hard for us to match in any circumstances. Bad defence prevent us from making transition points and our half court offence doesn't worth more than 60-65 against any defence.
They are just killing us with their penetration which creates many open looks for them, this quarter they had open 3 point shoots and luckily for us they missed some open looks.
It all starts with and ends with our defence. Currently Italy is on 85-90 points pace which is hard for us to match in any circumstances. Bad defence prevent us from making transition points and our half court offence doesn't worth more than 60-65 against any defence.
They are just killing us with their penetration which creates many open looks for them, this quarter they had open 3 point shoots and luckily for us they missed some open looks.
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christodoulou762
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This game stopped being interesting a long time ago.
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radallo2
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when Gentile has this kind of night I just ask myself if he will never be able to have them everynight..
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MaccabiTA2
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And that's how our EuroBasket ends.
Maccabeo's prediction was right, saddest part is that it's gonna give him fuel for 3 more Euroleague seasons of the same thing..
Maccabeo's prediction was right, saddest part is that it's gonna give him fuel for 3 more Euroleague seasons of the same thing..
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ncjazz2
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I guess huge lead is not enough for Italian coach. Why Gallinari and Gentile back in the game?
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maccabeo2
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ahaha no friend. it was the easy predition possibile
italy is tronger and play modern bball. israel is a mediocre team that pay an orrible old bball
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Toxicity2
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The only bad thing of this game is the injury of Bargnani... damn, he was playing great and he's still our only legit inside threat! 
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slice me nice2
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Italy is showing its class. Israel couldn't cope with those talents. I think Israel got what they wanted in this tournament.
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Metec2
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Maccabeo makes the same prediction every Maccabi / Israel game, and guess what 23/24 of the teams loose so he will be right eventually.
He will write the same thing and it doesn't matter if Maccabi will win the EL title after he predicted early elimination or if he will be right from the first game of the competition, his output is constant, so don't worry.
I feel very bad for our team, we had some decent games, but many people will remember that at the last 2 games we haven't been a factor. I'll still remember this tournament as a progress forward, even if it is just because we started very low after last Eurobasket. When we played teams that have similar talent we play good enough.
This game shouldn't be blown our of proportion (even though all of us expected at least a closer game):
Our best players last year: Bench, minimum salary player at awful NBA team, bench player at weak EL team, key player at weak Eurocup team, a starter for a weak EL team, 5th man for Maccabi. The complete majority of our bench haven't played even at Eurocup level last year.
Italians have: 2 Starters for weak NBA team, rotation player for NBA powerhouse and many EL players.
We lost to a better team, we would have to take it step by step, In the last 2 years our basketball moved from its darkest era (All youth team + NT where in the worst situation ever), hopefully this tournament was the first major step forward towards a better future.
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goga782
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Worst possible game by Israel. Due two situations of unawareness in the closing seconds of the first two quarters, Israel was -10 instead of being -5.
But what has cost Israel the game was its lack of ball movement. Too much one-on-one, too many forced actions. That made it very easy for the Italian defense to prevent points. That was also the first game, when Israel didn't move the ball. Casspi was a showstopper, Eliyahu has tried too much and Mekel was holding the ball for too long. True, he couldn't be stopped by the Italian defensed, showing up everybody of the Azzurri but his job is to get the team offense going. With single actions, you can't be an offensively superior team.
On defense, some guys are clearly not ready for this level, for example Shawn Dawson. People were talking about him being Maccabi Tel-Aviv material already but this is not the case. Dagan Yavzury, an alleged three-point specialist, recently signed by the yellows, has played a horrific tournament from beyond the arc.
It was just a day, when Israel made every mistake it could make and the Italian defense was very aggressive. Kind of switched worlds. Thus, the big difference. For me, it was rather a coincidence. Not that the Italians have advanced. They deserved it. But such a bad game from Israel is not its everyday game, regardless of the opponent.
In the next two years, Israel has to bolster its bench with upraising talent. I believe, Dawson will get better. There are other players that will develop their skills, too, while the older guys will more and more give up their NT roster spots.
By the way, maccabeo is followign statistics so much and likes the scoring of Limonad or the shooting of Yavzuri. S'il vous plait! Some guys can score well at some level but the next step is too big for them. However, if you can create for others and play high level defense, you will always get your chance in the EL.
At the same time, I didn't like the low amount of shots Limonad has taken. I think, to focus your whole offense on three players with the rest chipping in with by-products, is not enough.
And regarding modern basketball. There is nothing multidimensional in the Italian game. They hardly have a post game, rely too much on shooting and on one-on-one actions. Luckily enough, they have several of one-on-one specialists but this will not bring them far. Such teams live and die with their shots. No point guard, no creator of plays for teammates. Simply rely on individual scoring skills.
Lithuania is up next, after a strong battle with the Georgians. Lithuania also doesn't have a classic playmaker but it will abuse the Italians in the paint. If they manage to face up Italian scorers and make them work hard, it's Lithuania all the way. But if Italy catches fire, it's gonna be tough for the Baltics.
But what has cost Israel the game was its lack of ball movement. Too much one-on-one, too many forced actions. That made it very easy for the Italian defense to prevent points. That was also the first game, when Israel didn't move the ball. Casspi was a showstopper, Eliyahu has tried too much and Mekel was holding the ball for too long. True, he couldn't be stopped by the Italian defensed, showing up everybody of the Azzurri but his job is to get the team offense going. With single actions, you can't be an offensively superior team.
On defense, some guys are clearly not ready for this level, for example Shawn Dawson. People were talking about him being Maccabi Tel-Aviv material already but this is not the case. Dagan Yavzury, an alleged three-point specialist, recently signed by the yellows, has played a horrific tournament from beyond the arc.
It was just a day, when Israel made every mistake it could make and the Italian defense was very aggressive. Kind of switched worlds. Thus, the big difference. For me, it was rather a coincidence. Not that the Italians have advanced. They deserved it. But such a bad game from Israel is not its everyday game, regardless of the opponent.
In the next two years, Israel has to bolster its bench with upraising talent. I believe, Dawson will get better. There are other players that will develop their skills, too, while the older guys will more and more give up their NT roster spots.
By the way, maccabeo is followign statistics so much and likes the scoring of Limonad or the shooting of Yavzuri. S'il vous plait! Some guys can score well at some level but the next step is too big for them. However, if you can create for others and play high level defense, you will always get your chance in the EL.
At the same time, I didn't like the low amount of shots Limonad has taken. I think, to focus your whole offense on three players with the rest chipping in with by-products, is not enough.
And regarding modern basketball. There is nothing multidimensional in the Italian game. They hardly have a post game, rely too much on shooting and on one-on-one actions. Luckily enough, they have several of one-on-one specialists but this will not bring them far. Such teams live and die with their shots. No point guard, no creator of plays for teammates. Simply rely on individual scoring skills.
Lithuania is up next, after a strong battle with the Georgians. Lithuania also doesn't have a classic playmaker but it will abuse the Italians in the paint. If they manage to face up Italian scorers and make them work hard, it's Lithuania all the way. But if Italy catches fire, it's gonna be tough for the Baltics.
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Italian Pride2
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after italy-spain this is the best game for us,we share the ball and play hard defense finally!
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maccabeo2
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The only bad thing of this game is the injury of Bargnani... damn, he was playing great and he's still our only legit inside threat!
bargnani out it change things. is a big problem.probaly fatal
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maccabeo2
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el won doesnt say of the way we won. on court we ve lost game 1 with milan. just a crazy melli's faulth and 2 free trought failed by langford 1 second before the end(!), gave us the serie, but mainly, blatt totally change players and style from march. he understood how weak was the team and the system he used! so,ohyaon out and rice offensive talent always, in. so, much offensive power and dramatically incresed three points attempt plus a tyus explotion anyway this is out of topic
comkng back to yesterday, israel is a team cant play such european quarter final. is a dramatically limitated team that play same basketballe played in 70's when there wasnt the arch
it was easy to predict that a stringer team , with such offensive talent and shooters, destroy israel
what i really cant undesrstand is what happen in il bball schools. in israel will always grew up back court players. so, why they dont force teaching and train offensive talent tipical by small players like shooting and penetrating.
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goga782
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You still don't get that a basketball game isn't over until it's over? If you cannot close the game and your opponent wins, then a) it has been a very close game and b) the other team has won deservingly. It is not soccer, where the better team loses 0-1 to an unfortunate counterstrike goal.
It's not a matter of teaching. The teaching is like it has used before. Sometimes, you have generations of strong players, sometimes you don't. In 2000, 2004 Israel has had U20 generations filled with good players (silver medal, losing in the final by one point), several of whom have made very solid careers. Sometimes, you have diamonds like Jamchy or Berkowitz. Sometimes, you lack scorers. It happens.
You cannot compare yesterday's Israeli game with the 1970ies. Back then, players used to share the ball more. Yesterday's one-on-one(-all) action all the way was so atypical and thus had little success. Since not having a dominant post up presence and hardly shooting from the outside, Israel's one-on-one game became one-on-all. Italy could simply close the paint and that was it. Of course, Italy has played a very good game but they took what Israel gave them And that was a non-effort, to be honest, especially in the second half. And what genius decided to play zone against the Italians?!
Last but not least: Blatt. I it weren't for him, Maccabi would reach nothing in all those years. Only his strict system, based on how to make a team better, lead Maccabi to four successful years, culminating in the title.
Before writing nonsense that can be refuted easily, you better look at the stats. Ohayon's minutes in the playoffs decreased by a whopping 67 seconds compared to the complete season!
Rice has got +/- the same number of minutes as Ohayon all season long, while providing shaky offense and worse defense than Yogev. He became better during the Top 16, soming out better in crunch time. But "relying on the offense of Rice"... of course, with 33% FG. If Ohayon would shoot this percentage, you would be complaining over and over again. Who came up strongest, was Hickman. He has destroyed Milano. Rice was clutch with his free-throws and great in the first game, but after it his output decreased by a lot during the playoffs. Rice had his clutch coming out in the Final Four, especially the late stages of the final. But he needed a lot of time to get there. And Blatt gave him his time, despite being disappointed for the whole regular season and most parts of the top 16.
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maccabeo2
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two free trow failed 1 second to the end is still live game ?? ahaha come on . the match was over. it was enough langford scored one, i say one, ft and history of our el was very difrferent. but thats not so important. what was fatal , it was a otally dofferent basketball organized by blatt. sure, hard defens as his mark but much much more space to offensive talent and shooting attempt.thats how we won
u know, dont writing of mta or rice or blatt or goodes or berkovitz, i'm impressed u stil admire and prefere a "calculated"
d basketball. a bball that is for defense and transition. it ias a so so past bball every team pleyd before the arch line invention. ps do u really counted rice played same minute's playoff as during reg season????? impossibile
pps i didnt write of talent that magically grew up together . u are right . that is something about luck! i meant that every il player is a back court player so, all bball il school, should force increasing shooting , playmaking and penetration skills, not simply defense and starting transition
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Just as you have to hit a shot, when you want to add point on the scoreboard, you have to hit a free-throw first. As far as we both know, no player is hitting 100% FT.
Dennis Schroeder has missed the last FT in two EBC game past week and Germany is out of the tournament because of it (when we simplify the reason).
Langford made one and missed one. He could have also missed both or made both.
Again, since Rice's minutes didn't go up (PLEASE, GO TO THE EL WEBSITE AND LOOK FOR YOURSELF), Blatt didn't go with offense instead of defense. Rice simply made less mistakes than he has done before. Who has emerged as an offensive weapon is Alex Tyus, who is a "non-offensive" player for you. If not for his input on both ends of the floor, it would have been much much tougher.
I don't admire any sort of basketball, be it slow or fast. I admire the right way to play for any particular team and each team has a different path to success. I admit, I like the 1980ies Phoenix Suns or the showtime LA Lakers a lot. Fun to watch. My favourtie team are the Bad Boys from Detroit, however. If Maccabi can win the offense, go for it. If it destroys the opponent on defense, go for it.
As far as about Israeli basketball, you have no clue what you are writing about. My club had guests from Maccabi Tel-Aviv U16 a couple of years ago. They all are being taught how to shoot right, they all have the right mechanics. But whether you become a great shooter on professional level or not, is not just about teaching. It is also about talent. Sometimes you have snipers of that kid, sometimes you don't. In practice a backcourt player (let's cal him Ohayon) will hit the long-distance shot without any problems. In good tempo and in high percentages. But it's different in a game. All those youtube masters of jumpshot who are working with professionals, will not hit any single shot in a real game because they won'T be free to shoot. Game pace and game pressure, tall, fast and athletic opponents. It's a different level. We'll see, if young players will grow up in Israel, who are being able to fill the shoes of Micky & Co.
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maccabeo2
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langford failed 2 free throw ,exactly as zalgiris failed two ft in 2004. it was a big luck. with 2004 team gershon shouldnt arrive to the final that way. i consider the match vs zalgiris a home lost match with saras parker baston vujcic. langford failed 2 ft at the very end of the match.
rice: could u please show me minute he played during reg season, and munites played during playoffs?
could u please wrote me 3 points att average during reg season and during playoffs?
u are rigth about shooting talent. but u can improve it working hard on and mainly, u should have coaches following the perimetral offensive org. grewing up so many small players, all coaches should organize perimetral teams instead of searching th eclassicla american bball style
to win u must have scorer and many pure shooters. no way. impact on results is much higher
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goga782
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Here you go:
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=TEL&seasoncode=E2013#!stats
Rice:
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003367&seasoncode=E2013#!PO
Actually, he has attempted less threes per game in the playoffs and has shot a horrific percentage. He was driving to the basket, went to the line and made his FTs. He was shooting bad from the floor. He was facilitating offense for his teammates better. Bacially, Maccabi has used him in a couple of one-on-one plays, not more.
Langford has missed one FT at the end of regulation with the game tied. He missed one at the end of overtime, when Maccabi was leading by two:
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=236&seasoncode=E2013#!playbyplay
If a team cannot close a game, it has lost. If a team fights until the buzzer, it preserves itself a chance. And if it wins with the last shot, then the game has been even until then. Full stop. It doesn'T mean, this team is generally better. But it has been a bit better in that game and thus it has won the game.
When writingsth., especially about stats, please, look the up before. Everything that you write about such stuff is nonsense otherwise.
All coaches have to work with their respectiv squads to the goal of what is better for that respective squad. But there are general rules, too. Without any inside game, without any athleticism, you have to rely on your shooters. And shooters alone will never win anything big as they can be shut down or simply miss their shots. It's the right mix that gets the job done. But... futile to talk to you about that. You don't liten to anybody because you are so in love with the three and nothing else in this game. Modern basketball is not about shooting. Modern basketball is about being versatile.