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CoachZ2
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Hahahhahaha. That's hilarious 
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bukefalos2
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athleticism is not a significant feature for power forwards in the nba.
Lamarcus aldridge, zach randolph, davis west (in his prime) dirk nowitzki, david lee, kevin love are not great athletic players but they are averaging nearly 20pp 10rpg
They have some other specialities like Saric.
what changed on saric's gameplay last year ?
Is he shooting better ?
or better rebounder today ?
I watched Saric 2 years ago in national team, he was coming off the bench. He is definetely much more usefull and effective player than this year.
As I said before, he wasted his time
He should follow the same way as gasol parker nowitzki
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Aldrige is very athletic. Others I agree with. But almost all of them are very very developed mid range and even perimeter shooters as stretch forwards (outside of Randolph). Then many of them are also complete players in terms of post moves, and attacking the paint/rim (outside of Nowitzky). Many of them are above average defenders (outside of Nowitzky).
Saric is neither of those things yet. He is very athletic, and people who think he is not are very wrong. He keeps crying about playing the SF, but those are childish dreams. He is a PF and he needs to work on developing there. He needs more strength and toughness, he lacks energy on the boards. The shot is very inconsistent still. Many other things.
In order to play in NBA and get better he needs to develop as an all around player across the board. Improve everything. To be able to play at a very young age you have to be able to provide a team something why they want you on the floor, otherwise you won't see the court. So in NBA most of the PF that get to play at an early age are either exceptional defender/rebounders, elite shooters for PF position so they can effectively stretch, Elite post up player that brings toughness in the paint when attacking. Saric is neither of those things. He is just supremely talented all around big, meaning with development he can be a beast all arounder, a monster of a player. That just means he can needs to be better at everything.
That's why he shouldn't go to NBA now, but rather play 25 minutes in Europe and develop all aspect of his game and work on his body. I am not gonna comment on Efes since I know extremely well the situation with him (Djordje Adzic, Ivkovic's assistant coach was my first door neighboor for 20+ years and we still talk a lot), since that will be very unfair to a person who is close to that situation. Let's just say it this way, he is not doing his best to become a next level beast. In contrast to Cedi Osman.
Going to the NBA doesn't solve players development issues and holes in the game. They play players who can contribute on the floor right away, and we all agree that it is better for him to develop with steady starting role in Europe vs 5 min a game on game roster, or playing D-League if things are not going right.
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The feet of Saric are very slow. The seasons change when he steps with the ball. Despite he is a great PF for Euroleague, I don't think he can make it in Nba.
He should have never came to Efes. He lost 2 years for nothing. Same for Bogdan Bogdanovic. He is a F4, championship contender level in Euroleague but he can not play in Nba.
Both will try their chances in Nba next year but I am quite sure both will be back in 2 years to Europe.
He should have never came to Efes. He lost 2 years for nothing. Same for Bogdan Bogdanovic. He is a F4, championship contender level in Euroleague but he can not play in Nba.
Both will try their chances in Nba next year but I am quite sure both will be back in 2 years to Europe.
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His footwork needs to develop, that doesn't make him a bad athlete. Also keep in mind that he has only one season, this is the second now. An the foremost, player himself is the most important thing for his development, then everything else. It's not Efes fault, at least not entirely. As it is very know, Ivkovic loves working with youngsters and giving them a chance. So there is no reason he shouldn't be able to develop.
Bogdanovic will have NBA longevity, he has a shot that will always get him minutes in NBA and there are always spots on teams for guys like him. For Saric, the way he is now, not so much.
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ThePeraCar2
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you wish,players with good shooting will always have place in NBA as CoachZ said
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Noncom2
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NBA is full of elite scorers.
For an euro player to be a third option for scoring in a NBA team is a great achievement.
You have to do so much more to be competitive in NBA. Scoring is not enough.
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Not scoring, just pure shooting ability, you can score many ways. Pure shooters can always find a place in NBA. Elite level shooters. Otherwise there is no way to explain that some Steve Nowak and similar (there are at least 20+ of those) are hanging around the league getting minutes. Pure Shooters will always find a roster spot in NBA, big men, paint players, point guards those are hard to break through. You really have to be exceptional.
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Noncom2
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Well yes, can't argue about that.
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Picek2
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Well.
One of the most embarassing losses by any croatian team in any sport.
Congrats to Czechs for completely outplaying us.
It was hard to be in the hall and watch this but we will come back.
Maybe even in my lifetime..
One of the most embarassing losses by any croatian team in any sport.
Congrats to Czechs for completely outplaying us.
It was hard to be in the hall and watch this but we will come back.
Maybe even in my lifetime..
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bukefalos2
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Saric will play in 76ers
Covington who is not better than saric, averaged 30 min per game last year.
76ers has been tanking for years
Saric would get those minutes for sure if he played in the nba last season.
Every night, playing against best players and training under better individual coaches would be priceless for this kind of potential players.
at least, he would put on some muscles
Saric is great rebounder and very strong player at his age. He has a great court vision and ballhandling skills
despite being inconsistent, he has NBA 3pt range, Needs to work on it.
He could be an All-star player
He should leave as sson as possible
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CoachZ2
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Saric will play in 76ers
Covington who is not better than saric, averaged 30 min per game last year.
76ers has been tanking for years
Saric would get those minutes for sure if he played in the nba last season.
Every night, playing against best players and training under better individual coaches would be priceless for this kind of potential players.
at least, he would put on some muscles
Saric is great rebounder and very strong player at his age. He has a great court vision and ballhandling skills
despite being inconsistent, he has NBA 3pt range, Needs to work on it.
He could be an All-star player
He sholuld leave as sson as possible
You are smoking wrong kind of weed if you think Saric is a better player than Covington. Also they have drafted Jahlil Okafor so they can have both him and Noel as a PF on the floor. Then there is absolutely no chance of Saric breaking significant minutes. He can't break that line up now, might in 2 years.
There is no way he can line up at SF in NBA.
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bukefalos2
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Noel,okafor and embiid are all center
They will certainly trade one or two of them when they all come back.
on the other hand, that is why I said he wasted his time and his chance
If he decided to play in the NBA last season, he could made some impact due to short rotation.
Saric was one the best player in his draft class
and yes he is better and more versatile player than covington
when covington were playing in Dleague, saric won domestic cup and was selected MVP
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Noel is a PF, who fills in as a center (due to injury of Embiid). He will be a starter with Okafor, since Embiid will miss second consecutive season of NBA due to serious injury (probably career over too). Covington is a SF, a position that Saric can't play in NBA. He cannot break that line up. Whatever some people think. Being best in the draft class means shit in terms of NBA readiness and playing, it's all about potential. Or someone thinks that Porzingis or Hezonja are Top 10 players right now in that draft? To just step in and play right away. That's insane, draft position with euro players is always potential!
It's a very insane notion. Also people forget that Dario was drafted by Orlando and traded for Peyton, because they didn't see him breaking into Tobias Harris - Aaron Gordon duo at F. That should say enough about his NBA readiness.
It's a very insane notion. Also people forget that Dario was drafted by Orlando and traded for Peyton, because they didn't see him breaking into Tobias Harris - Aaron Gordon duo at F. That should say enough about his NBA readiness.
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bukefalos2
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nerles noel is definetely a center
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nerlens-Noel-6455/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/nerlens-noel
look at NBA comparison.. Larry sanders and dikembo mutombo.
and this is lineups of 76ers last season
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/covinro01/lineups/2015/
I made mistake
luc mbah a moute played as a PF. Nevermind, Saric would get those minutes
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nerles noel is definetely a center
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nerlens-Noel-6455/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/nerlens-noel
look at NBA comparison.. Larry sanders and dikembo mutombo.
and this is lineups of 76ers last season
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/covinro01/lineups/2015/
I made mistake
luc mbah a moute played as a PF. Nevermind, Saric would get those minutes
He was seen as a C prospect, but never developed into it. Look at the date of that scouting report you are reading. Before he played a single college game. He was an athletic PF/C mic at Kentucky and he was drafted to be that for 76ers as well. He can cover for C, due to his athleticism and exceptional defense, but he will be a PF on most of time, especially on defense since he was blown apart by any C with the post game. Otherwise 76ers would not spend not ONE but TWO lottery picks on C. He had to play C since Embiid was out for the season. He will slot in at PF next to Okafor at C, Connington at SF, Mbash Moute is an established player in NBA and Saric will not be able to kick him out of the rotation with his current level of play.
Saric has one season in the elite European League and EL, and he even there showed he ain't ready to be a monster in Europe. Thinking a big man breaks into NBA easier than in Europe is just nonsense. That position in NBA carries so much physicality which Saric doesn't posses and there are even worries he never will. He is still just a talent.
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Noel is just a 3rd year player so he even doesn't know his real position since he had wasted his first year. Plus, 76ers was full of chaos last year. Aldemir was tried to be used as SF in some games. Come on the guy is center. Anyway, they corrected their mistakes after few games. 76ers is a typical experimental team. They fill the team with bunch of rookies. They are looking forward to select few of them for their long term plans. So let Noel play his game this year. I bet he would be used as PF if Embiid would be healthy.
About Saric, you know my opinions. He is overrated. If I would be the head of Croatian basketball, I would invest on Arapovic and Slavica. The guys are the real deals. Especially Arapovic. They are more fit for European basketball.
About Saric, you know my opinions. He is overrated. If I would be the head of Croatian basketball, I would invest on Arapovic and Slavica. The guys are the real deals. Especially Arapovic. They are more fit for European basketball.
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Watch out for Aaron Gordon this season, he actualy added shot to his game, might be right up there among the most improved players in the league. (sorry for OT)
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OT. Aaron Gordon will come into prominence this season but as far as the award goes, Kanter will get the MIP award. I will bet on him when the betting sites open a section for this award. Oklahoma is golden mine for him.