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Ray "Bobby" Parks Jr
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elcian
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This is all so stupid. If he can't play this year then what a bunch of bullshit. I'm so sick of this crap. Instead of improving himself against top flight competition in the USA, he has to play in this shithole of basketball, the Philippines. A country where so many potentially good players are constantly being mired by stupid rules and dirty politicking. What a bunch of hogwash.
He was so good as a player in the All-Asia team, basically the MVP of that team, and he wastes a potentially life changing 2-3 years of basketball development here. Holy crap. The best player of his generation and the one Filipino player who might have a chance to get into the NBA and it blows up in his face big time.
He won't get to play for NU, he won't get to play for Georgia Tech, he won't even get to play for the national team (the initial plan). Can any of you seriously tell me he did not waste his freaking time staying here? What a load of crap. BULL CRAP. Worst of all, even if he does go the USA, he has to redshirt for one more year. What a waste of time. That's 4 years of basketball development he will have wasted. I'm just so pissed off. This is so dumb, so stupid. Waste of time. Waste of effort. Waste of chance. Waste of opportunity. I'm disappointed but what can I do? Nothing but mope. Crap.
He was so good as a player in the All-Asia team, basically the MVP of that team, and he wastes a potentially life changing 2-3 years of basketball development here. Holy crap. The best player of his generation and the one Filipino player who might have a chance to get into the NBA and it blows up in his face big time.
He won't get to play for NU, he won't get to play for Georgia Tech, he won't even get to play for the national team (the initial plan). Can any of you seriously tell me he did not waste his freaking time staying here? What a load of crap. BULL CRAP. Worst of all, even if he does go the USA, he has to redshirt for one more year. What a waste of time. That's 4 years of basketball development he will have wasted. I'm just so pissed off. This is so dumb, so stupid. Waste of time. Waste of effort. Waste of chance. Waste of opportunity. I'm disappointed but what can I do? Nothing but mope. Crap.
fadzki
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amen dude... what a waste of talent...
sharky
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LOL. coz he's half black. but seriously just because a filipino wants to have a better education and a better basketball training and competition in the USA then if he decides to play in the "UAAP" he needs to go through this 2 years of residency. that's why for me i see a little bit of racism/discrimination towards FILIPINO- Foreigners. i think 1 year is enough.
ankle breaker
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if he can't play in the UAAP, let him play for CESAFI instead to stay competitive. there is no residency rules, just plain enrollment form and scholarship grant then go. 
patay-butiki
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@ghostr!der:
what is the "child of an OFW" exception?
bcoz while bobby parks is obviously american, ray's mother is filipina and may be an OFW.
but is there really such a thing as an OFW exception?
what is the "child of an OFW" exception?
bcoz while bobby parks is obviously american, ray's mother is filipina and may be an OFW.
but is there really such a thing as an OFW exception?
paolylo
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the UAAP has probably the dumbest set of eligibility rules in all of world amateur basketball. 'nuff said.
people aren't stupid. most of those rules were pathetic attempts to level the playing field between the big spending schools and the modest ones. that residency rule is racist because it sends a message that ALL Fil-Foreigners are THAT much better than local players so taking away years of actual UAAP game experience supposedly benefits those teams who can't bring in a Fil-Foreigner. ditto with that equally idiotic rule where a player from a different UAAP-member high school needs to sit out a year when playing for another UAAP-member university. it's protectionism more than anything else. at least the NCAA and CESAFI are keeping it real.
this isn't the early 90's anymore. the UAAP board should just accept the fact that they got so many things wrong and start from scratch. it's just a freaking 8-member league and it seems they're all desperate to win.
people aren't stupid. most of those rules were pathetic attempts to level the playing field between the big spending schools and the modest ones. that residency rule is racist because it sends a message that ALL Fil-Foreigners are THAT much better than local players so taking away years of actual UAAP game experience supposedly benefits those teams who can't bring in a Fil-Foreigner. ditto with that equally idiotic rule where a player from a different UAAP-member high school needs to sit out a year when playing for another UAAP-member university. it's protectionism more than anything else. at least the NCAA and CESAFI are keeping it real.
this isn't the early 90's anymore. the UAAP board should just accept the fact that they got so many things wrong and start from scratch. it's just a freaking 8-member league and it seems they're all desperate to win.
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The_Big_Cat
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If Bobby Jr goes back to the US, he will only be able to play 2 years (2012 & 2013) by virtue of the US NCAA rules' 4 within 5 years. His stint last year 2010 at NU also counts as one playing year in the US NCAA plus the redshirt year, this 2011 if he moves back to the US. So 2 years have been removed from Bobby Jr.
Whereas in the UAAP, he can play 5 within 7 years (2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 & 2016).
ghostr!der
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The OFW exception may be availed of when the entire family has to transfer overseas due to work commitments of a filipino parent.
However this has to be supported by relevant documents filed with the POEA with a DOLE approved work contract. I highly doubt if Ray's mom filed any 5 years ago.
Would still like to see him play especially in light of today's battle with Ravena.
Money talks and NU's got alot to burn. NU officials I talked to at the venue seemed optimistic. Though realistically, I can't see FEU, UP, Ateneo and DLSU voting in favor of NU.
However this has to be supported by relevant documents filed with the POEA with a DOLE approved work contract. I highly doubt if Ray's mom filed any 5 years ago.
Would still like to see him play especially in light of today's battle with Ravena.
Money talks and NU's got alot to burn. NU officials I talked to at the venue seemed optimistic. Though realistically, I can't see FEU, UP, Ateneo and DLSU voting in favor of NU.
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ghostr!der
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No iota of discrimination in this rule. The Cardona/Saldana rule applies equally to filipinos and foreigners.
It simply states that players who have spent 3 of the past 5 years overseas have to take a two year residency to be eligible to play in the UAAP.
That's why full blooded pinoys like Jonas Villanueva have had to take residency and foreigners like Moriah Gingerich, Kirk Long, Rob Bornancin and Vince Burke who took their high school here in the Philippines are not required to take any residency.
The unintended effect of this rule is teams have had to recruit younger players. Michael Pate was recruited overseas and took his residency in LSGH in order to be eligible for the UAAP college team immediately upon HS graduation. Same with the star crossed Marko Batricevich.
patay-butiki
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hmmm..... so OFW's equate to OCW's pa rin pala. meaning, the term OFW does not include all FILIPINO workers. they have to have contracts. filed with the POEA no less. so OVERSEAS CONTRACT WORKERS pa din.
unless you can argue that those who did not file with the POEA can be considered as UNDOCUMENTED OFW's. if i were NU's lawyers, i will look into this and argue that ray's mom is an UNDOCUMENTED OFW. and she should not be discriminated against. becoz the UAAP rule just said OFW's, which should encompass all OFW's, documented or not.
ghostr!ider, you have a copy of the pertinent UAAP rules and exceptions?
ghostr!der
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Yes, OFWs have to be documented. They usually leave the Philippines with a work visa and are issued OFW cards which entitles them to special immigration lanes as well as duty free benefits. Some atypical examples of these are flight attendants and even professionals working abroad for multinational companies.
Undocumented workers (leaving on a tourist visa) cannot be considered OFWs. I would think it would be unlikely for Ray's mother to leave for the USA on a work visa when she probably has a green card as a spouse of an American national.
Exemptions are strictly construed against the person claiming it and I believe that the general Saldana / Cardona rule will apply against Ray Parks.
Undocumented workers (leaving on a tourist visa) cannot be considered OFWs. I would think it would be unlikely for Ray's mother to leave for the USA on a work visa when she probably has a green card as a spouse of an American national.
Exemptions are strictly construed against the person claiming it and I believe that the general Saldana / Cardona rule will apply against Ray Parks.
You want to let us believe that you are from the inside and you know more than most of us do?
nardong_putik
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QWERTY1234
latest......ray parks cannot play this year under nu.
MON FERNANDEZ AGEED TO SBP for FAJARDO TO PLAY IN WUHAN, CHINA THIS SEPTEMBER..
WOW!!
Now we have a very reliable insider??Galing
latest......ray parks cannot play this year under nu.
MON FERNANDEZ AGEED TO SBP for FAJARDO TO PLAY IN WUHAN, CHINA THIS SEPTEMBER..
WOW!!
Now we have a very reliable insider??Galing