UAAP's 2013 2-Year Residency Rule (The Jerie Pinggoy Rule)

[eindhow2]

Here is what I was saying about UST, maybe, having a hand in the creating of the rule. Though it's really Montinola.

UAAP residency rule ‘good’ for UST, says university exec
But UST has no plans of dangling money in recruitment

MANILA, Philippines — As early as second year in high school, the junior athletes of University of Santo Tomas are getting recruitment letters and being courted by other schools.
This is why, Fr. Ermito De Sagon O.P., Institute of Physical Education and Athletics (IPEA) director member, said UST would actually benefit from the amended residency rule.
From one year, a high school student now needs to sit out two years when enrolling in another UAAP member school in college.

“The new rule is good for us. They have been taking our athletes away,” De Sagon told the reporters after the closing ceremonies on Saturday.

“Actually yung iba nasa second year palang sinisulatan na sila eh. Like our girls now in [UST] volleyball,” De Sagon shared.

UAAP said this rule aims to protect one school’s juniors program.

UST has always had a stellar athletic program in high school, and it has a fourth straight UAAP juniors overall championship to show for it.

But not all of these noted athletes go on to play for UST in the seniors’ division. De Sagon, though, knows though that there is only so much they can do.

“We’re trying to keep them. But as usual, we cannot force them to stay with us,” said De Sagon.

Recruitment

The first step in building a good athletic program starts with recruitment, which is getting real competitive these days in the league.

But De Sagon says UST has no plans of dangling money or signing bonuses to athletes to sway them to enroll in UST.

“We pursue our policy of amateurism. Ayaw nating magbayad ng mga athletes para maglaro sa’tin [We don’t like to pay athletes to play for us],” said De Sagon.

“Hindi tayo makikipagsabay [We are not going to compete that way]. Importante ang value formation [Value formation is important]. We’re not going to destroy our value systems even if we want to be champions.”

“It’s not winning at all cost. We want to win, we want to win the championship honestly and focusing on our core values,” De Sagon added.
This year, UST lost its longtime hold of the UAAP seniors division general championship to La Salle after an unprecedented 14 straight seasons.

A lot of UST teams, especially in the second conference, had a significant dip in their placing, and De Sagon admits, “hindi nakafocus ng maayos [they weren’t focused properly].”



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[ghostr!der2]

You have to admit that Ateneo high school is one of the powerhouses in the juniors level. The only reason they don't win the general championship is because they're not co-ed. Despite this handicap, AHS always figures in the juniors general championship race.

How many AHS players in seniors basket for other teams? Gamboa, Romero, Pe, Suarez. Maniego was from the AGS.

 

[killmebusy2]

You have to admit that Ateneo high school is one of the powerhouses in the juniors level. The only reason they don't win the general championship is because they're not co-ed. Despite this handicap, AHS always figures in the juniors general championship race.

How many AHS players in seniors basket for other teams? Gamboa, Romero, Pe, Suarez. Maniego was from the AGS.

powerhouse maybe in basketball lang but like you said since they have no girls then they can almost never win the overall title...on that note, how many AHS seniors Volleyball players for other teams? compare that to feu, nu, ust and you'll get the picture. basketball ain't the only sport kiddo.

that's why this new rule will also have a positive effect in the HS programs...schools are now forced to strengthen their juniors teams rather than just rely on pirating players from other schools.

 

[kerouac822]

powerhouse maybe in basketball lang but like you said since they have no girls then they can almost never win the overall title...on that note, how many AHS seniors Volleyball players for other teams? compare that to feu, nu, ust and you'll get the picture. basketball ain't the only sport kiddo.

that's why this new rule will also have a positive effect in the HS programs...schools are now forced to strengthen their juniors teams rather than just rely on pirating players from other schools.

Yes, schools are forced to strengthen their juniors teams. But what about benchwarmers in the juniors who want to find playing time or enroll in a course that is only available elsewhere? What use is a good junior team if there is no assurance that a high school player will find a spot once he goes up to college?

Your point of view is very myopic, to say the least. You say that there are no Ateneo volleyball players in other teams, but what about taekwondo jins? Fencers? Track athletes? Judokas?

 

[kerouac822]

After everything that's been said in this thread, what is the real purpose of the Pingoy Rule? Is it to "force" UAAP high schools to develop their sports programs (by means of transferring the recruiting game to as early as elementary)? Is it to allow graduates of UAAP high schools to adjust to college studies (as if UAAP high school graduates are any different from those of schools outside the UAAP)? Or is it to protect the "investment" that the schools have made with their high school players, high school athletics be damned?

 

[ghostr!der2]

powerhouse maybe in basketball lang but like you said since they have no girls then they can almost never win the overall title...on that note, how many AHS seniors Volleyball players for other teams? compare that to feu, nu, ust and you'll get the picture. basketball ain't the only sport kiddo.

that's why this new rule will also have a positive effect in the HS programs...schools are now forced to strengthen their juniors teams rather than just rely on pirating players from other schools.

FEU just restarted its HS program at FERN, hence it has been very aggressive in its recruitment of grade school and provincial kids. If memory serves me correct, the batch of Soc Rivera, Jolas Paguia, Dexter Rosales, Mark Lopez and Jens Knuttel was its first foray into the juniors basketball championship after the transfer to Fairview. Now their (paid?) recruits are blossoming and are entertaining thoughts of transferring, hence the need to protect its "investment".

NU was acquired by the Sy family in 2008 from the Ocampo family. Prior to that, NU was cash strapped and couldn't even afford to give provide recovery meals to their players. They started recruiting heavily with SM money only in the past 3 years. Hence, the need again to protect its "investment".

UST is admittedly a top juniors program, mainly due to its female athletes.

UE is likewise a top juniors program having last won the general championship in 2005/2006.

Ateneo, despite having the distinct disadvantage of having no female athletes last held the juniors championships in 2000/2001 and 2001/2002. If you remove the female athletes from the equation, the Eaglets would have probably swept the last ten UAAP juniors championships.

This year, the Eaglets have been successful in baseball, fencing, chess, judo, swimming, taekwondo, track and field, badminton, table tennis, tennis, football and basketball. Not in volleyball, as you pointed out.

The next time killmebusy, have your facts straight. Sadly, you're embarrassing yourself with your ignorance and obfuscating an otherwise interesting discussion.

 

[budz172]

After everything that's been said in this thread, what is the real purpose of the Pingoy Rule? Is it to "force" UAAP high schools to develop their sports programs (by means of transferring the recruiting game to as early as elementary)? Is it to allow graduates of UAAP high schools to adjust to college studies (as if UAAP high school graduates are any different from those of schools outside the UAAP)? Or is it to protect the "investment" that the schools have made with their high school players, high school athletics be damned?

the purpose of this rule is to protect investments of the UAAP schools. plain and simple BS for some people to spin it any other way.

it does not prevent them from recruiting from non-UAAP schools. if they apply this to non-UAAP transferees, I'd probably think they were actually protecting the players and not themselves.

 

[budz172]

powerhouse maybe in basketball lang but like you said since they have no girls then they can almost never win the overall title...on that note, how many AHS seniors Volleyball players for other teams? compare that to feu, nu, ust and you'll get the picture. basketball ain't the only sport kiddo.

that's why this new rule will also have a positive effect in the HS programs...schools are now forced to strengthen their juniors teams rather than just rely on pirating players from other schools.

and how are they to strengthen their juniors? pirating in grade school?

 

[kerouac822]

the purpose of this rule is to protect investments of the UAAP schools. plain and simple BS for some people to spin it any other way.

it does not prevent them from recruiting from non-UAAP schools. if they apply this to non-UAAP transferees, I'd probably think they were actually protecting the players and not themselves.

In effect, by arguing that graduates from UAAP high schools need to sit out two years in order to adjust to college life, the UAAP board members who voted for the rule are admitting that their high schools are not doing a good job academically.

 

[CoJ2]

the purpose of this rule is to protect investments of the UAAP schools. plain and simple BS for some people to spin it any other way.

it does not prevent them from recruiting from non-UAAP schools. if they apply this to non-UAAP transferees, I'd probably think they were actually protecting the players and not themselves.

and by using the term investment, we could claim that the UAAP is far from being a collegiate league and is now a professional league of sorts, which treats students not as student-athletes but as assets...SMH

 

[killmebusy2]

FEU just restarted its HS program at FERN, hence it has been very aggressive in its recruitment of grade school and provincial kids. If memory serves me correct, the batch of Soc Rivera, Jolas Paguia, Dexter Rosales, Mark Lopez and Jens Knuttel was its first foray into the juniors basketball championship after the transfer to Fairview. Now their (paid?) recruits are blossoming and are entertaining thoughts of transferring, hence the need to protect its "investment".

NU was acquired by the Sy family in 2008 from the Ocampo family. Prior to that, NU was cash strapped and couldn't even afford to give provide recovery meals to their players. They started recruiting heavily with SM money only in the past 3 years. Hence, the need again to protect its "investment".

UST is admittedly a top juniors program, mainly due to its female athletes.

UE is likewise a top juniors program having last won the general championship in 2005/2006.

Ateneo, despite having the distinct disadvantage of having no female athletes last held the juniors championships in 2000/2001 and 2001/2002. If you remove the female athletes from the equation, the Eaglets would have probably swept the last ten UAAP juniors championships.

This year, the Eaglets have been successful in baseball, fencing, chess, judo, swimming, taekwondo, track and field, badminton, table tennis, tennis, football and basketball. Not in volleyball, as you pointed out.

The next time killmebusy, have your facts straight. Sadly, you're embarrassing yourself with your ignorance and obfuscating an otherwise interesting discussion.

that's not the point...yes they have a strong pingpong and soccer program but how many of those actually transfer to other schools and play there? like what kerouac said...there aren't any volleyballers from ahs in other teams yes but are there really an abundance of other athletes transferring from ahs to the other uaap schools sans basketball? anyway, I already proposed a "list of athletes that would be elevated to the seniors team" to address those issues regarding bench warmers or others who won't be elevated. btw, if ahs jrs is as good as you say then why can't they win those same sports in the seniors? coz their players are also being pirated? then this rule would suit them too right?

To say the least, this rule should be looked at 2 folds...the view of the students/parents and the view of the schools. Still the main problem is the over compensation of these athletes. stop that and there would be no need to invent any other rule.

 

[budz172]

that's not the point...yes they have a strong pingpong and soccer program but how many of those actually transfer to other schools and play there? like what kerouac said...there aren't any volleyballers from ahs in other teams yes but are there really an abundance of other athletes transferring from ahs to the other uaap schools sans basketball? anyway, I already proposed a "list of athletes that would be elevated to the seniors team" to address those issues regarding bench warmers or others who won't be elevated. btw, if ahs jrs is as good as you say then why can't they win those same sports in the seniors? coz their players are also being pirated? then this rule would suit them too right?

To say the least, this rule should be looked at 2 folds...the view of the students/parents and the view of the schools. Still the main problem is the over compensation of these athletes. stop that and there would be no need to invent any other rule.

and this proposal punishes the students. these are kids, they have their whole lives ahead of them and they are being screwed early on

 

[ghostr!der2]

Again, lack of factual basis:

Football:
http://www.admu.edu.ph/ls/high-scho...-runner-uaap-75-juniors-football-championship

http://www.admu.edu.ph/news/sports/uaap-ateneo-dethrones-mens-football-title

Baseball:
http://www.admu.edu.ph/news/sports/uaap-ateneo-dethrones-mens-football-title
http://sports.inquirer.net/87493/ateneo-looks-to-finish-nu-off-in-uaap-baseball-finals

Swimming:
Eighth consecutive juniors championship
http://www.admu.edu.ph/high-school/...s-swim-team-looking-back-and-preparing-future

Juniors Tennis:
http://www.admu.edu.ph/high-school/...ts/marcen-gonzales-olivarez-16-u-tennis-champ

Of these athletes in different sports, there are only a handful (maybe 20) whom have partial scholarships. The rest of the AHS kids pay regular tuition in the amount of P120,000.00 per school year. In return, they get a good education, build a network of friends and play competitive sports.

If at the end of their tenure, they're interested in playing for the seniors team, they're welcome to try out. Some are not interested because of various reasons, to wit: incompatible course (architecture, engineering, etc.), change in parent's earning capacity (illness, death, job layoff, additional siblings), mid-level talent/lack of interest of college team, elite talent (marcen gonzalez who will be recruited to play overseas), family tradition, etc.

In these cases, Ateneo will not block the aspirations and desire of its athletes to study and play elsewhere. In the 80s, the core members of the AHS football team (RP Youth players) transferred to UP and as freshmen gave the Seniors title to UP (championship game was against their ex-teammates). They (the athletes) are not investments and whatever the school may have spent on their training has been repaid in full by the student athlete by representing and (oftentimes) winning at the high school level.

Sports is not the end all be all of a student-athlete as aptly demonstrated by UAAP football champion and Bar topnotcher Mickey Ingles. Is it the priority in your school?

With regard to transfering to other schools, not to sound condescending, but if one is already in the Ateneo, why would one want to go anywhere else? Ateneo HS students typically go to UP or schools overseas (NUS, Stanford, Georgetown) or if necessary, DLSU, San Beda, UA&P, Benilde and UST (architecture & medicine only) for college. Very rarely, if any, AHS students transfer to FEU, UE, NU or Adamson unless they are children of owners or administrators of the school.

Those who flunk out of Ateneo often go to schools like PSBA (Badjie Del Rosario) or the provincial Ateneo schools (DAto Arroyo - Ateneo de Naga) in the hopes of fixing their academics and going back to Ateneo.

Another factor why it is unheard of for AHS players to consider playing for another school is their wealth of options. Once the realization that one is not an elite athlete who can make a living out of his physical skills sets in, the student exerts his efforts in other activities and interests. Recent examples include Joboy Tuason (6-1) who decided that he would be better off in the student government as Student Council President and join the Jesuit Volunteers. Ivan Enriquez (6-1) and Al Bugarin (6-3) who both decided that it would be more worthwhile pursuing their academics in preparation for future employement.

To compel students, especially if financially distressed, to sit out two years and miss a scholarship (whether full or partial) opportunity when the mother school is not interested in retaining them in their senior team or they are looking at a specialized course unavailable in the mother school is a cruel punishment for these kids.

 

[killmebusy2]

Again, lack of factual basis:

Football:
http://www.admu.edu.ph/ls/high-scho...-runner-uaap-75-juniors-football-championship

http://www.admu.edu.ph/news/sports/uaap-ateneo-dethrones-mens-football-title

Baseball:
http://www.admu.edu.ph/news/sports/uaap-ateneo-dethrones-mens-football-title
http://sports.inquirer.net/87493/ateneo-looks-to-finish-nu-off-in-uaap-baseball-finals

Swimming:
Eighth consecutive juniors championship
http://www.admu.edu.ph/high-school/...s-swim-team-looking-back-and-preparing-future

Juniors Tennis:
http://www.admu.edu.ph/high-school/...ts/marcen-gonzales-olivarez-16-u-tennis-champ

Of these athletes in different sports, there are only a handful (maybe 20) whom have partial scholarships. The rest of the AHS kids pay regular tuition in the amount of P120,000.00 per school year. In return, they get a good education, build a network of friends and play competitive sports.

If at the end of their tenure, they're interested in playing for the seniors team, they're welcome to try out. Some are not interested because of various reasons, to wit: incompatible course (architecture, engineering, etc.), change in parent's earning capacity (illness, death, job layoff, additional siblings), mid-level talent/lack of interest of college team, elite talent (marcen gonzalez who will be recruited to play overseas), family tradition, etc.

In these cases, Ateneo will not block the aspirations and desire of its athletes to study and play elsewhere. In the 80s, the core members of the AHS football team (RP Youth players) transferred to UP and as freshmen gave the Seniors title to UP (championship game was against their ex-teammates). They (the athletes) are not investments and whatever the school may have spent on their training has been repaid in full by the student athlete by representing and (oftentimes) winning at the high school level.

Sports is not the end all be all of a student-athlete as aptly demonstrated by UAAP football champion and Bar topnotcher Mickey Ingles. Is it the priority in your school?

With regard to transfering to other schools, not to sound condescending, but if one is already in the Ateneo, why would one want to go anywhere else? Ateneo HS students typically go to UP or schools overseas (NUS, Stanford, Georgetown) or if necessary, DLSU, San Beda, UA&P, Benilde and UST (architecture & medicine only) for college. Very rarely, if any, AHS students transfer to FEU, UE, NU or Adamson unless they are children of owners or administrators of the school.

Those who flunk out of Ateneo often go to schools like PSBA (Badjie Del Rosario) or the provincial Ateneo schools (DAto Arroyo - Ateneo de Naga) in the hopes of fixing their academics and going back to Ateneo.

Another factor why it is unheard of for AHS players to consider playing for another school is their wealth of options. Once the realization that one is not an elite athlete who can make a living out of his physical skills sets in, the student exerts his efforts in other activities and interests. Recent examples include Joboy Tuason (6-1) who decided that he would be better off in the student government as Student Council President and join the Jesuit Volunteers. Ivan Enriquez (6-1) and Al Bugarin (6-3) who both decided that it would be more worthwhile pursuing their academics in preparation for future employement.

To compel students, especially if financially distressed, to sit out two years and miss a scholarship (whether full or partial) opportunity when the mother school is not interested in retaining them in their senior team or they are looking at a specialized course unavailable in the mother school is a cruel punishment for these kids.

first of all, my pingpong and soccer statements above were only examples..no need to enumerate each and every sport ahs is good at since that's already established.

look, having a strong juniors program should result into having an even stronger seniors team...if ahs guys hardly leave, why are the results not transferred to the seniors level? certainly ateneo's first priorities are those coming from their juniors right? So are you saying the guys you mentioned (bugarin, et al) declined scholarship offers from other schools or they really did not receive any?

remember that the scholarship is not lost..merely transferred/granted to someone else or probably even retained if the school really wants the student..and if it does get transferred to someone who is even more in need of it then is the rule still as bad?

 

[ghostr!der2]

Read paragraphs #3 &#4.

For those that remained Bugarin (who had a guaranteed UST team A roster slot), Tuazon & Enriquez education was a priority. However, if they wanted to transfer and were given a scholarship, why make them sit out?

There are no guaranteed slots for AHS players. Everyone attends an open tryout and the best get selected.

This is moot anyway. Recruiting is now done at the gradeschool level.

 

[rhk1112]

We will know for sure if the Senate inquiry has any "effect" on the UAAP Board when they meet again next week ... UAAP: Sen. Pia Cayetano says no to HS residency rule in hearing

 

[Silent Killer2]

http://www.spin.ph/sports/basketbal...d-nothing-more-by-ateneo#.UVlzbYz9VGg.twitter

Dad insists Pingoy promised scholarship, food allowance and nothing more by Ateneo

JERRY Pingoy, father of controversial high school cager Jerie, has blasted the UAAP for the new two-year residency rule for transferring high school graduates which was imposed shortly after he bared his son’s desire to move from Far Eastern University to Ateneo.

Speaking during Monday’s Senate inquiry into the contentious rule called by Senator Pia Cayetano, Pingoy said the contentious rule will be a major blow to his son's basketball career.

“’Yung two-year residency, parusa sa anak ko kasi siya ‘yung naglalaro,” said the elder Pingoy. “Ako ‘yung dapat parusahan, hindi siya.”

“Kung ako ang board, masaya kaya sila kung baligtarin natin?” Pingoy added.

The elder Pingoy, a former PBA player, reiterated that his son will push through with his decision to transfer to Ateneo regardless of the new rule increasing the residency period for high school players transferring from one UAAP school that now requires the former FEU star to sit out for two years.

“Pangarap talaga ‘yan ng anak ko dahil idol niya si (former Blue Eagles star) Chris Tiu,” said Pingoy.

In his attempt to make his son’s dream a reality, Pingoy said he approached a friend who owns a mining business and has connections with the Ateneo community to help him facilitate Jerie's transfer.

“Nag-usap kami ng Ateneo at ang ibibigay daw ng Ateneo, ‘yung school at food allowance," he said as he shot down allegations that the young Pingoy had been lured into joining the Blue Eagles by other perks.

"‘Yung mga haka-haka, hindi totoo ‘yun,” Pingoy added.

Pingoy said the two-time UAAP juniors MVP has worked so hard to get to where he is now. “Hindi nila alam ang paghihirap ng anak ko,” said Pingoy, whose Cebu-based son joined FEU's high school team through the efforts of assistant coach Horacio Lim.

Despite the controversy, the elder Pingoy thanked FEU, specifically mentioning its UAAP board representative Anton Montinola and athletic director Mark Molina, for supporting his son during high school career.

“Nagpapasalamat ako kay Mr. Anton Montinola dahil mahal na mahal nila ang anak ko. Karangalan ng FEU na may nag-back-to-back MVP (silang player) for the first time. Pero hindi ko desisyon ito,” said Pingoy.

Montinola didn’t attend the Senate inquiry.

Follow the writer on Twitter: @reubensports

 

[theD2]

Wow, killmebusy is still defending this rule? I've read several internet fora and discussed this rule with friends and colleagues, a lot of which hail from the different UAAP member schools, and all the opinions boil down to one conclusion - this rule is just plain dumb. And aside from Montinola and his puppets, I know of only three people who are in favor of this rule - killmebusy and 2 trolls in PEX. Oh well, may mga ganyan talaga.

 

[CoJ2]

http://www.spin.ph/sports/basketbal...d-nothing-more-by-ateneo#.UVlzbYz9VGg.twitter

Dad insists Pingoy promised scholarship, food allowance and nothing more by Ateneo

JERRY Pingoy, father of controversial high school cager Jerie, has blasted the UAAP for the new two-year residency rule for transferring high school graduates which was imposed shortly after he bared his son’s desire to move from Far Eastern University to Ateneo.

Speaking during Monday’s Senate inquiry into the contentious rule called by Senator Pia Cayetano, Pingoy said the contentious rule will be a major blow to his son's basketball career.

“’Yung two-year residency, parusa sa anak ko kasi siya ‘yung naglalaro,” said the elder Pingoy. “Ako ‘yung dapat parusahan, hindi siya.”

“Kung ako ang board, masaya kaya sila kung baligtarin natin?” Pingoy added.

The elder Pingoy, a former PBA player, reiterated that his son will push through with his decision to transfer to Ateneo regardless of the new rule increasing the residency period for high school players transferring from one UAAP school that now requires the former FEU star to sit out for two years.

“Pangarap talaga ‘yan ng anak ko dahil idol niya si (former Blue Eagles star) Chris Tiu,” said Pingoy.

In his attempt to make his son’s dream a reality, Pingoy said he approached a friend who owns a mining business and has connections with the Ateneo community to help him facilitate Jerie's transfer.

“Nag-usap kami ng Ateneo at ang ibibigay daw ng Ateneo, ‘yung school at food allowance," he said as he shot down allegations that the young Pingoy had been lured into joining the Blue Eagles by other perks.

"‘Yung mga haka-haka, hindi totoo ‘yun,” Pingoy added.

Pingoy said the two-time UAAP juniors MVP has worked so hard to get to where he is now. “Hindi nila alam ang paghihirap ng anak ko,” said Pingoy, whose Cebu-based son joined FEU's high school team through the efforts of assistant coach Horacio Lim.

Despite the controversy, the elder Pingoy thanked FEU, specifically mentioning its UAAP board representative Anton Montinola and athletic director Mark Molina, for supporting his son during high school career.

“Nagpapasalamat ako kay Mr. Anton Montinola dahil mahal na mahal nila ang anak ko. Karangalan ng FEU na may nag-back-to-back MVP (silang player) for the first time. Pero hindi ko desisyon ito,” said Pingoy.

Montinola didn’t attend the Senate inquiry.

Follow the writer on Twitter: @reubensports

wushu..., defensive much?

 

[mrjumbo032]

UST is kidding itself when it thinks that the 2 year residency rule would stop "piracy". It won't, it just pushes said "piracy" earlier. Bluechippers will be pirated around 2nd-3rd year, in fact, NU is doing it already, perfect example would be the younger Santiago sister. Some might even transfer on their own to evade said rule. If and when that happens, good luck nalang on winning sa juniors. But then again, that does not necessarily mean na olats na agad yung seniors, and the perfect example again would be UST's basketball team.

In any case, where the hell was Don Anton kanina? or even Atayde? At least the rep from Adamson had the balls to show up sa committee hearing.