SBP Long-Term National Pool (Vol. XXI)

[durden_tyler2]

So is that what it has come down to, the NT is now relegated to beggars (2nd class citizens, or a non priority).

You just realize that now? The master of overanalysis can't identify the elephant in the room?

1 player per team rule?
"Walkthrough" practices for some players?

You disappoint us, analyzed, you disappoint us.

 

[analyzed2]

The PBA could have always refused the offer to play the Sharks and recommend Gilas instead. Accepting the invitation actually puts the “all stars” and the PBA in a bad situation being ill prepared. Wouldn’t it have been better move for the PBA if they played with the other Gilas pool players not playing in Monday, after all they’re still PBA stars , right? (I’m assuming Gilas would accept the offer for a 2nd game)

 

[neo2]

So is that what it has come down to, the NT is now relegated to beggars (2nd class citizens, or a non priority). While PBA pogi points is king! I’d like to think basketball fans in the Philippines who know their hoops will see through this. You cannot hide bad quality play, no matter how you package it or sugar coat it. If the All Stars look disorganized and lack seriousness against the Sharks, fans will see this and what was supposed to be a win for the PBA game will be viewed negatively. I think this move of playing against the Sharks by sending a half baked team of players wanting to rest will receive backlash

The PBA could have always refused the offer to play the Sharks and recommend Gilas instead. Accepting the invitation actually puts the “all stars” and the PBA in a bad situation being ill prepared. Wouldn’t it have been better move for the PBA if they played with the other Gilas pool players not playing in Monday, after all they’re still PBA stars , right? (I’m assuming Gilas would accept the offer for a 2nd game)

this is actually true. altho it can easily be dismiised because people knows its really a team with little preparation and with players in vacation mode. and most of all it is not really an all-star team as the top stars and best players in the league are with gilas and in d pba semis.

but that's the thing. d pba is actually taking a risk for forming a (possibly) not-so prepared team to play against a visiting foreign team. again, its not like the pba said "we want to play the sharks!bring them to us!" they are just trying to be hospitable to the visiting team and obliged with d request of psc to play the visiting basketball team. they can easily say no but its supposed to be a goodwill game so why would they?

 

[zuma1692]

for God's sake.. this is a charity event!!!! all for the development of other sports that are seriously lacking in funds..

don't make a big fuzz out of it... it is not a PR thing.. it is all about generating funds for our less fortunate sports..

geezzzz.....

 

[neo2]

for God's sake.. this is a charity event!!!! all for the development of other sports that are seriously lacking in funds..

don't make a big fuzz out of it... it is not a PR thing.. it is all about generating funds for our less fortunate sports..

geezzzz.....

precisely! its a goodwill game and a charity game. and d sbp and pba were both requested to send their players to play as part of their contribution to this psc' project for sports development in the country.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

i may be in the minority.. and you all may burn me.. but there is nothing wrong with the shanghai and all star games this weekend and next..

c'mon people, why do you always act as if ALL basketball activities should be geared towards NATIONAL TEAM functions? why why why? because there is this once in a lifetime opportunity in being hosts of the Asian Championships? what will 1 game do? and besides Douthit, Slaughter, Fajardo and Japeth (plus David, Chan and Norwood) are the ones going against the sharks.. isn't that what we want? to expose them with bigger opponents since they are our RARE BIGS??? aren't we already serving the purpose? how about our cadets in the mold of garcia, alas, lanete, rosser-ganuelas, pascuals, etc.. isn't this valuable exposure as well for them? we can't choose.. and we can't control..

besides, these shanghai games IS NOT ORGANIZED BY THE SBP nor the PBA.. it is a PSC initiative..

Becoz our current national team is in dire need of international game exposure. Every international game that our national team could possibly play counts a lot considering the limitations & the constraints that the nat'l. team is facing as far as it's preparation for that BIG event in August. If only our team is given 5 to 6 months of training on a "full-time basis" and gets to play around 30 international games/tune-up games prior to that tournament in August, then I'm sure my fellow posters here won't mind that Gilas nat'l. team will play the Shanghai Sharks for just one game instead of two.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

insert what?

this is not the call of the pba. this is a project of psc and i believe they are d ones who requested the sbp and d pba to play games with the visiting chinese team.

the sharks game was not even in d original training plan of gilas. nilapit lang sa kanila ng psc.

You are correct.

PSC should have make it a two-game exhibition series between Shanghai Sharks & Gilas if PSC is really that sincere in helping the national basketball team. Why include the PBA in this endeavor?

I remember in 1998, the Chinese national team also visited Manila & played an exhibition game vs. our Phi. Centennial team and another game between the MBA all-star team. I think some Filipino basketball fans also questioned why it should not have been a two-game exhibition series between China & Phi. Centennial team. The Phi.-China game was a close one, though China won. The China vs. MBA All-star team was a complete blow-out game dominated by the Chinese.

By the way, it was BAP who sponsored said exhibition series. We all know how incompetent BAP was.

 

[neo2]

Becoz our current national team is in dire need of international game exposure. Every international game that our national team could possibly play counts a lot considering the limitations & the constraints that the nat'l. team is facing as far as it's preparation for that BIG event in August. If only our team is given 5 to 6 months of training on a "full-time basis" and gets to play around 30 international games/tune-up games prior to that tournament in August, then I'm sure my fellow posters here won't mind that Gilas nat'l. team will play the Shanghai Sharks for just one game instead of two.

the national team was just invited to play a game with d sharks. thats about it. ditto with d pba.

its not the call of d pba and sbp/gilas. its the call of d psc. sbp and pba were both invited to play an exhibition game with the sharks for goodwill and charity purposes.

and going to international exposure, sure the sharks game is a help on that regard. but its not like were missing much if we just play them in one game instead of 2. the sharks are not here as part of their preparation for the next cba season, they are here for goodwill games. and if i remember it right, the current sharks team is not even in d top8 of the recent cba season. they'll probably give gilas a difficult time mainly becos of their size and d system they play, and for that gilas will learn some things (primary of which is playing vs a team with superior size). but its not that it is imperative to play against them. as i mentioned, playing a cba team was not even part of d agenda of chot but d opportunity presented itself so they took it. sure, one game is never enough. but its good enough.

my hope is actually for gilas to have more games vs national teams and less games vs professional clubs.

 

[privateEYE2]

for God's sake.. this is a charity event!!!! all for the development of other sports that are seriously lacking in funds..

don't make a big fuzz out of it... it is not a PR thing.. it is all about generating funds for our less fortunate sports..

geezzzz.....

they should have asked GSM or San MIg to play against Sharks..it will sure generate funds

 

[neo2]

You are correct.

PSC should have make it a two-game exhibition series between Shanghai Sharks & Gilas if PSC is really that sincere in helping the national basketball team. Why include the PBA in this endeavor?

I remember in 1998, the Chinese national team also visited Manila & played an exhibition game vs. our Phi. Centennial team and another game between the MBA all-star team. I think some Filipino basketball fans also questioned why it should not have been a two-game exhibition series between China & Phi. Centennial team. The Phi.-China game was a close one, though China won. The China vs. MBA All-star team was a complete blow-out game dominated by the Chinese.

By the way, it was BAP who sponsored said exhibition series. We all know how incompetent BAP was.

becos the shanghai sharks was invited here not to help d national team in their preparation. far from it. d national team gaining experience in playing a cba team is just a secondary effect, an aftershoot of the goals and objectives of the chinese visit in support of d sports development project in our country which was forged during psc's previous visit in china.

in 1998, i can remember china vs laguna lakers but not vs mba all-stars.

 

[Epithetless2]

You are correct.

PSC should have make it a two-game exhibition series between Shanghai Sharks & Gilas if PSC is really that sincere in helping the national basketball team. Why include the PBA in this endeavor?

Because this is a charity game they will sell more tickets with the help of the pba stars, more tickets = more money for our athletes. I'm pissed actually that they were not able to get ginebra stars, though I'm not a ginebra fan, I acknowledge that they can raise a lot more money with ginebra players in there, hopefully the considerable following of Santos and Tiu will be enough to raise the funds the PSC needs.

 

[neo2]

Because this is a charity game they will sell more tickets with the help of the pba stars, more tickets = more money for our athletes. I'm pissed actually that they were not able to get ginebra stars, though I'm not a ginebra fan, I acknowledge that they can raise a lot more money with ginebra players in there, hopefully the considerable following of Santos and Tiu will be enough to raise the funds the PSC needs.

d money has actually came already from d sponsors. that is why psc asked for the game tickets to be cut into halves so more people can watch.

d ticket sales would help but its peanuts compared to money from d sponsors.

 

[Epithetless2]

d money has actually came already from d sponsors. that is why psc asked for the game tickets to be cut into halves so more people can watch.

d ticket sales would help but its peanuts compared to money from d sponsors.

True, but some of our NSA's are literally beggars so every cent counts.

 

[pachador2]

whether it was PBA or PSC that organized the event, getting Gilas to play those 2 games would have benefitted gilas more. As we know from the press releases, the only international events lined up so far(correct me if im wrong) is the lithuanian practice and jones cup. That to me is far from adequate practice game preparatiion.... As for the intent of the event being charity, if they wanted to bring in more people, they might as well bring in the a movie showbiz all-stars or as posted previously, ginebra or san miguel or alternatively i bet they will sell more tickets getting singers/movie idols to hold musical concerts instead. my intent is to point out the big picture and highlight the 'game preparations' situation of the subject of this thread- Gilas national team, speaking of which they have an upcoming game today, against the pba-allstars http://ph.sports.yahoo.com/news/star-gilas-vs-pba-squad-190848910.html

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

We can't have everything. This isn't a SBP endeavor that will allow Gilas to play the Sharks twice. It's a PSC project that was tied up with the PBA dating back from last year. Remember that the Sharks were supposed to have played here last year but because of the fragility of our international relations with China then, it had to be cancelled. Back then, we still didn't have the pool although Chot Reyes was slowly building his national team already.

The PSC wanted to make sure that this will be a box office success so that the beneficiaries would get more. It was convenient to deal with the PBA since the league was the one that can bring in the fans to the venue. The cancellation of last year's games didn't mean the cancellation as well of the participation of the PBA. The commitment had already been given - and the Shanghai Sharks knew what they were going up against.

I'm not sure how one game can make a difference. Neo's right - we don't even know the quality of competition that the Sharks can give our national team. We don't even know what mindset will they have when they come to play. I'm not sure but I think the CBA season has long been over and the players may not exactly be in game shape. So much for giving us the kind of preparation we will need.

The brouhaha on this is probably because of some of you wanting to see more of Gilas in action. In other words, it's not in the preparation per se but in our opportunity to see and analyze how our guys play, regardless of who the competition is. That one game won't even make a dent on how we can play - especially considering that the first official game that our pool will get to play will be this Sunday. The Sharks follow next. At this stage, any game will probably be a treated as a little bit more of a scrimmage rather than seeing how our players can work well with each other.

 

[budz172]

people, these are goodwill games, show some goodwill okay.

serious training will be after the commisioner's cup. for now, just enjoy the games.

 

[analyzed2]

for God's sake.. this is a charity event!!!! all for the development of other sports that are seriously lacking in funds..

don't make a big fuzz out of it... it is not a PR thing.. it is all about generating funds for our less fortunate sports..

geezzzz.....

Here is the thing though with the prices of the tickets, at p 1k , this is not charity for the paying fan, they will feel cheated if the all stars play with no seriousness. And btw as the nt is mainly a pba led team, i find it difficult to see why the pba could have not offered gilas to represent them. If its for charity fine, make it practically for free, but to charge those prices then show up and play lousy, puts a bad taste in the mouth. In a sense the pba has a respnsibility to put a good product out there, anytime it puts players out there, if your going to play lousy might as well not play at all, or at the very least don,t cheat people of their hard earned money. Ok i ask u guys would u pay that money to watch this game? If u wont who will ? Or would rather have an empty arena? Wow thats some goodwill signal for the chinese

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

Here is the thing though with the prices of the tickets, at p 1k , this is not charity for the paying fan, they will feel cheated if the all stars play with no seriousness. And btw as the nt is mainly a pba led team, i find it difficult to see why the pba could have not offered gilas to represent them. If its for charity fine, make it practically for free, but to charge those prices then show up and play lousy, puts a bad taste in the mouth. In a sense the pba has a respnsibility to put a good product out there, anytime it puts players out there, if your going to play lousy might as well not play at all, or at the very least don,t cheat people of their hard earned money. Ok i ask u guys would u pay that money to watch this game? If u wont who will ? Or would rather have an empty arena? Wow thats some goodwill signal for the chinese

What's the basis of your statement that makes you so sure that the PBA-led team would play lousy? And what guarantee can be given that our own national team pool would play great?

The point here is everything you're doing is under the most negative assumptions. You're supplanting the notion that having the national team play instead of the PBA selection is better because of your theory that "they'll play better." The better question would probably be: who would the fans watch playing against the Sharks? The Gilas team or a PBA team led by James Yap and Mark Caguioa?

 

[SG 30002]

What's the basis of your statement that makes you so sure that the PBA-led team would play lousy? And what guarantee can be given that our own national team pool would play great?

The point here is everything you're doing is under the most negative assumptions. You're supplanting the notion that having the national team play instead of the PBA selection is better because of your theory that "they'll play better." The better question would probably be: who would the fans watch playing against the Sharks? The Gilas team or a PBA team led by James Yap and Mark Caguioa?

One problem - Mark and James and other final 4 players will not play.

But its not really a problem. While some of the pba players in the all-star selection are second-tier stars in the pba, I am betting they will play hard so as not to be disgraced on their homecourt (lalo at chinese pa kalaban). They have a lot of motivation even if its just a goodwill game.

 

[SG 30002]

. And btw as the nt is mainly a pba led team, i find it difficult to see why the pba could have not offered gilas to represent them.

Maybe you need to use your head so you would not "find it difficult."