SBP Long-Term National Pool (Vol. XX)

[durden_tyler2]

Yap and Pingris should just say yes or no, plain and simple. Why would Gilas force you guys to play if you are injured? What dumb comments to make at this stage when the public and the fans are just hanging at straws to see some patriotism from these players.

You have to take a look back at history to understand this. Remember Chot Reyes running Jason Castro to the ground during their (failed) Grand Slam run? Or maybe Danny Seigle in the past playing injured (Chot in 2007 apparently)

So aside from maybe lack of patriotism you have to consider the paranoia with working for the "other side" because of his tendencies.

*some info in this post are from an unnamed reliable source but is pretty popular to every one here, he can't talk about this matter apparently but is frustrated with some of the accusatory posts like this and pacifier's.

 

[durden_tyler2]

Well from a national team perspective Marlou was without question the most suitable center for the 1998 Centennial NT, I don’t really care about his play in the PBA as compared to the his rival centers, which is irrelevant. Which brings me to the point on Fajado , since this is the NT pool thread his ultimate measurement of wether he will benefit the Philippines is his contribution to the NT. Not his play in the PBA. If he turns out to be a “Thoss” and has a great PBA career only to end up a dud in international competition. I for one would call it a waste and be terribly disappointed. I hope this is the perspective we have, or else we are not living in the real world but a self insular make belief world simply being happy to be entertained.

That is a perspective of a foreigner. You have to realize and understand that local basketball (be it UAAP or NCAA or the PBA) is shown in equal footing with any other basketball outside the country (this includes the NBA, which is bigger than FIBA ball).

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

SMC players are playing the same game as EALA. I don't know whether they are receiving instructions from the top to simply deceive the public. They are full of excuses, they cannot even make a straightforward commitment without making any silly excuse to exclude themselves from playing with Gilas. What a shame, every statement they make always seems to mean something else.

Yap and Pingris should just say yes or no, plain and simple. Why would Gilas force you guys to play if you are injured? What dumb comments to make at this stage when the public and the fans are just hanging at straws to see some patriotism from these players.

I actually have no problem with the statements of Yap and Pingris. The open-minded person would think that this is good news because they didn't categorically decline the invitation. In other words, there's a window for them to join the national team.

But you have to take stock of the reality behind these statements. At the end of the day, and this I have to keep insisting to all, it is not the players' call. Management will make it appear that the players will make the final decision but in truth, it's really management's blessing that will turn things around. Players are merely being cautious with their statements.

Look at Arwind Santos. He said he'd be glad to play for the national team if invited and if management approves. That's pretty self-explanatory already - no need to over-complicate things. Santos practically admitted that management has the final say and regardless of his sentiments, he has no power to make that decision.

Yap and Pingris are saying almost the same thing - but this time, to make sure management isn't put so much in the spot, they decided to take things on their own by citing their physical health. Which is really logical. We ask the question - why don't Norwood and Chan say the same things? The difference? It's not the players - it's management. Just plain and simple.

Put yourself in a situation working for an employer reluctant to provide assistance to the national team, how will you handle this when asked by reporters? That's the story line there already.

 

[zuma1692]

WAY out of topic.. a little bit...

WAY out of topic.. a little bit...

hey i was on the other form regarding the FIBA Asia Championships 2013 and asked our resident lebanese friend khalid about the hosting..

i asked that since they were stripped of the 2011 hosting because of unpreparedness, what measures did Lebanon take to correct this and DESERVE a second chance.. here is what he said.. and you will see the obvious "kagaguhan" of FIBA Asia..

There is no difference... Actually the overall situation might even be worse (security wise speaking) this year than last year . I think they just want to give Beirut another chance to host this event. And what is even worse is that I don't think our current federation can successfully be able to host this event... Imagine if they couldn't be able to provide the necessary needs and requirements for the Lebanese NT (in terms of budget, good foreign coach, training camps for the NT, etc..) then how will they be able to host such an event as the Asian Championships?

So for me if we are unable to change this current $hitty basketball federation of ours (through new elections) I believe we won't be able to successfully host the Asian Championships and there is a good chance we might even withdraw from hosting the event (of course this is just my opinion which is based on what i'm noticing from this useless federation of ours).

 

[pacifier2]

I actually have no problem with the statements of Yap and Pingris. The open-minded person would think that this is good news because they didn't categorically decline the invitation. In other words, there's a window for them to join the national team.

But you have to take stock of the reality behind these statements. At the end of the day, and this I have to keep insisting to all, it is not the players' call. Management will make it appear that the players will make the final decision but in truth, it's really management's blessing that will turn things around. Players are merely being cautious with their statements.

Look at Arwind Santos. He said he'd be glad to play for the national team if invited and if management approves. That's pretty self-explanatory already - no need to over-complicate things. Santos practically admitted that management has the final say and regardless of his sentiments, he has no power to make that decision.

Yap and Pingris are saying almost the same thing - but this time, to make sure management isn't put so much in the spot, they decided to take things on their own by citing their physical health. Which is really logical. We ask the question - why don't Norwood and Chan say the same things? The difference? It's not the players - it's management. Just plain and simple.

Put yourself in a situation working for an employer reluctant to provide assistance to the national team, how will you handle this when asked by reporters? That's the story line there already.

The statement of santos against yap/pingris' tells you that arwind has the guts to tell the truth against those two. I am not really against the statements yap/pingris released, I can't blame them they have their jobs to protect. But that tells you about their commitment on playing for national team. What I worry is if their management tells them to act injured with the national team at the midst of their final preparations I'm assuming they will follow the orders as they don't have the guts to act like santos. Actually I'm pretty sure it is every players dream to play for the NT it just so happened that politics is part of it so everyone on the other side are making statements somewhat ordered or influenced by their management. Or did they make those statements to make chot classify them as risky players(they want to play but their commitment will be affected due to uncontrollable circumstances).

Anyway just made the comment against them because for me playing for the national team requires a lot of sacrifices, commitment, dedication, pride to fight for the nation that is why many of us regard them as modern day heroes.

 

[KevinDurant2]

Yap can be a good addition, but Gary David is there already as our closer. IMO, Chan is indispensable coz of his outside shooting. I expect Norwood and Dillinger as shoo-ins. Pingris may make the cut (if permitted by mother team) but Yap will have to double up his efforts to make the final lineup. David and Chan are there. Fonacier on the otherhand plays better defense and has shooting also, one of the things that James can bring.

 

[KevinDurant2]

So it begs the question , what will make Fajardo not end up with Marlou's bad work ethic and habits? I see a risk here, if he is now being viewed as the next messiah big man, standing head and shoulders above the competition. If this guy get's early success and realises he can dominate in his rookie season without even having to work and develop his game, but simply rely on his God given talent alone, we could have a Marlou Aquino situation here. Think about it if he is given a fat long term contract after his 1st three years , what will motivate him to improve ?, given he is satisfied being the PBA's best big man with a max contract.
I think the only mitigation to avoid this from happening is he has to be exposed to either international competion on a regular basis, where he ends up always hungry needing to get the the level of the Haddadi's or we have enough big imports out there where he actually has to match the level of play rather than defering to his import teamate. I've seen this to often there is a signiificant risk of him being complacent if he get's things to easily and has nothing more to prove.

Rookie Marlou will dominate rookie Fajardo. Marlou could have played for the NT even if he was still in college. He had the footwork and the so called gulang for his size. He was a dominant post threat. He only had problems defending jump shooting big men,.

 

[startupsold2]

anyways, i am thinking.. when the time comes that Greg Slaughter and Junemar Fajardo gets enough experience professionally and they improve a lot and is ready enough to play decently in FIBA ball.. i think it is best if SBP will get a naturalized player who is 6'10" and plays POWER FORWARD.. or a 6'9" POWER FORWARD/SMALL FORWARD..

what do you think?

If our naturalized center wil continue to have a difficult time defending the post against Haddadi, Yi, and now Kardoust. It will be more logical to get a former NBA sf-pf (combo forward) than a center, this will give oppotunities for greg and junmar to be full time national team players. A borderline NBA sf-pf can rebound, run defend the 3 and 4 spots at the asian level and can be a very effective weak side shot blocker.

 

[thayil2]

If our naturalized center wil continue to have a difficult time defending the post against Haddadi, Yi, and now Kardoust. It will be more logical to get a former NBA sf-pf (combo forward) than a center, this will give oppotunities for greg and junmar to be full time national team players. A borderline NBA sf-pf can rebound, run defend the 3 and 4 spots at the asian level and can be a very effective weak side shot blocker.

But talented Sf-PF is in NBA or Euro na na

 

[startupsold2]

But talented Sf-PF is in NBA or Euro na na

Meron pa dyan mga NBA free agents na over 30 sf-pf na 6-8 to 6-10 athletic that can guard 2-3-4 spots sa asian level.

trans: Cheaper alternative for mcgee

 

[phevergy2]

I think this thread becoming a comparative analysis among the old players and the new...

Let's not compare the old days vs. today'....as the book of Ecclesiates 7 stated, "Why are the old days better than these? It's stupid to ask that questions."
All I know,is that we need to UNITE and surely we are very well on our way to success. Peace.

 

[analyzed2]

If our naturalized center wil continue to have a difficult time defending the post against Haddadi, Yi, and now Kardoust. It will be more logical to get a former NBA sf-pf (combo forward) than a center, this will give oppotunities for greg and junmar to be full time national team players. A borderline NBA sf-pf can rebound, run defend the 3 and 4 spots at the asian level and can be a very effective weak side shot blocker.

Well you can see why it is difficult to find a true center for naturalisation like McGee, the NBA itself has a lack of quality traditional centers. If getting a combo forward is what you want are you not describing a Bowles ? Which is a cheaper alternative to McGee. I don’t however agree that getting a forward fills our need more than a Center, but I do understand how difficult it is to get a true center given the scarcity of available talent any where in the world. With scarcity comes it being more expensive.

 

[startupsold2]

Well you can see why it is difficult to find a true center for naturalisation like McGee, the NBA itself has a lack of quality traditional centers. If getting a combo forward is what you want are you not describing a Bowles ? Which is a cheaper alternative to McGee. I don’t however agree that getting a forward fills our need more than a Center, but I do understand how difficult it is to get a true center given the scarcity of available talent any where in the world. With scarcity comes it being more expensive.

a combo forward ala rudy gay play alike, gay can play 3-4 in the asian level even 5 panga against east asian teams (e.g taiwan, japan)

 

[KevinDurant2]

Marcus is fine. No need for replace him now. He can play this way up to next year. Our problem is the other guys. A back up and the power forward position. IMO, we only need either Slaughter of Fajardo. One of them, not both. As an insurance if Marcus gets into foul trouble. Chot likes the small ball anyway. We just need another 7 footer to defend the rim in some minutes.

 

[startupsold2]

Marcus is fine. No need for replace him now. He can play this way up to next year. Our problem is the other guys. A back up and the power forward position. IMO, we only need either Slaughter of Fajardo. One of them, not both. As an insurance if Marcus gets into foul trouble. Chot likes the small ball anyway. We just need another 7 footer to defend the rim in some minutes.

i'm looking beyond 2013 its a vision not a mission

 

[manu_bol2]

if somehow chot can make this work, this is probably the best team we can send that is not lacking in speed and ceiling:

bigs:

douthit
slaughter
fajardo
de ocampo
williams

point guards:

castro
pringle

shooters:

chan
david
fonacier

multiroles:

dillinger
norwood

reserves:

aguilar (can replace any of the bigs except douthit)
pingris (can replace williams)

 

[privateEYE2]

How I wish this tribute will be done on a day when Petron and SanMig are playing against each other.

[h=1]Gilas to be feted in PBA opening rites[/h]

By Nelson Beltran, The Philippine Star
Posted at 09/26/2012 11:20 AM | Updated as of 09/26/2012 11:22 AM


MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine Basketball Association will pay tribute to Smart Gilas Pilipinas during the opening ceremonies of its 38th season on Sunday, saluting coach Chot Reyes, his staff and the Nationals for their Jones Cup victory and semifinal finish in the FIBA Asia Cup.

Coming with the citation is commissioner Chito Salud’s promise of the league's continuous support, hoping the national team to be in best shape possible in time for the world qualifier next year.
Seeing up close in the fourth FIBA Asia Cup how tough the regional competition is, Salud vowed to do what he can to help make the national team be more competitive, including personally talking to the players Reyes wants to add to his roster.
Salud stressed the teams are committed to make their players available for the national team.
"I'll talk to coach Chot Reyes and ask him the players he wants added to the pool. I will help talk to the players," said Salud.
Reyes has mentioned several times the names of Marc Pingris and Arwind Santos, players who can shore up the team's forward spots.
Pingris and Santos along with James Yap and Alex Cabagnot had been named in the original pool, but these players didn't sign a commitment letter to be part of it.
After the FIBA Asia Cup, Reyes added in his wish list young behemoths Greg Slaughter and Junmar Fajardo.
Reyes will have no problem on Slaughter who has committed to join the Gilas cadet pool.
On Fajardo, a SMC official said the PBA top draftee can be made available to Gilas so long as requests are sent to SMC management.
At the FIBA Asia Cup where Gilas settled for third runner-up honors, glaring was the absence of an able backup to Marcus Douthit.
The Nationals return to their mother ball clubs as the PBA opens shop Sunday.
Relieved of his duty at Talk n Text, the national coach undergoes coaching clinic in the US then starts training the cadet pool at the end of the collegiate season.
Among those eyed for the cadet pool are Slaughter, Nico Salva and Kiefer Ravena of Ateneo, Ian Sangalang and Ronald Pascual of San Sebastian, Kevin Alas of Letran and RR Garcia of FEU.
Reyes also plans on pitching a Fil-Am tryout camp in the US in search of Fil-Ams who are good and eligible to be part of the Gilas program.
One requirement in line with the FIBA rule is that the player has acquired a Philippine passport before turning 16.

 

[RedMetal2]

PSA: BARRIOS ON SBP'S FAILED FIBA-ASIA HOSTING BID
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[allanaling2]

Salud vows to lend a hand in Gilas buildup for Asian championships

PBA commissioner Chito Salud is set to sit down with national coach Chot Reyes to evaluate Smart Gilas Pilipinas 2.0's performance in its first two tournaments overseas and pinpoint the areas where he and the pro league can help in the buildup to next year's Asian championships.

If necessary, Salud said he is willing to go as far as helping convince other PBA players to join the Gilas program to add depth to a team that won the country's first Jones Cup championship in 14 years and finished fourth in last week's Fiba-Asia Cup in Tokyo.

“I’ll talk with Chot and see what his requirements are and what his concerns are and see how I can also help convince the players to help Smart Gilas,” Salud told Spin.ph. “We want to work closely with Smart Gilas dahil PBA players natin iyan. They give pride and honor to our country.”

Reyes will certainly need Salud's help as he looks to plug holes in the Gilas lineup which were exposed during the failed Tokyo campaign, primarily a back-up to power forward Ranidel de Ocampo and a couple of big men who could spell naturalized player Marcus Douthit.

San Mig Coffee power forward Marc Pingris, Petron Blaze rookie center June Mar Fajardo and Arwind Santos and Talk ‘N Text power forward Kelly Williams are all on Reyes’ wish list as he eyes to come up with an improved lineup for the Fiba Asia for Men (formerly the ABC) tournament next year in Beirut.

Reyes also wants the pro league to change its rules on traveling violations to comform to Fiba rules and has asked that league venues be equipped with the same rims that are used in Fiba-sanctioned tournaments, which players swore are firmer and as a result cause bigger bounces than the ones used in local leagues.

Salud said Smart Gilas 2.0 needs to do better in the fundamentals of the game like free throws and outside shooting, which the national squad failed to hit consistently in the most critical stages of the tournament.

“Off talaga tayo eh,” said Salud, who flew to the Japan capital to personally lend moral support to the team. “We really have to convert our mid- and long-range shots. And when we penetrate inside and get fouled, we need to convert our foul shots. We all know that foul shots are very important, especially in a short tournament like Fiba.”

Source: http://www. spin.ph/sports/basketball/news/salud-vows-to-lend-a-hand-in-gilas-buildup-for-asian-championships

 

[allanaling2]

Gilas to be feted in PBA opening rites

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine Basketball Association will pay tribute to Smart Gilas Pilipinas during the opening ceremonies of its 38th season on Sunday, saluting coach Chot Reyes, his staff and the Nationals for their Jones Cup victory and semifinal finish in the FIBA Asia Cup.

Coming with the citation is commissioner Chito Salud’s promise of the league’s continuous support, hoping the national team to be in best shape possible in time for the world qualifier next year.

Seeing up close in the fourth FIBA Asia Cup how tough the regional competition is, Salud vowed to do what he can to help make the national team be more competitive, including personally talking to the players Reyes wants to add to his roster.

Salud stressed the teams are committed to make their players available for the national team.

“I’ll talk to coach Chot Reyes and ask him the players he wants added to the pool. I will help talk to the players,” said Salud.

Reyes has mentioned several times the names of Marc Pingris and Arwind Santos, players who can shore up the team’s forward spots.

Pingris and Santos along with James Yap and Alex Cabagnot had been named in the original pool, but these players didn’t sign a commitment letter to be part of it.

After the FIBA Asia Cup, Reyes added in his wish list young behemoths Greg Slaughter and Junmar Fajardo.

Reyes will have no problem on Slaughter who has committed to join the Gilas cadet pool.

On Fajardo, a SMC official said the PBA top draftee can be made available to Gilas so long as requests are sent to SMC management.

At the FIBA Asia Cup where Gilas settled for third runner-up honors, glaring was the absence of an able backup to Marcus Douthit.

The Nationals return to their mother ball clubs as the PBA opens shop Sunday.

Relieved of his duty at Talk n Text, the national coach undergoes coaching clinic in the US then starts training the cadet pool at the end of the collegiate season.

Among those eyed for the cadet pool are Slaughter, Nico Salva and Kiefer Ravena of Ateneo, Ian Sangalang and Ronald Pascual of San Sebastian, Kevin Alas of Letran and RR Garcia of FEU.

Reyes also plans on pitching a Fil-Am tryout camp in the US in search of Fil-Ams who are good and eligible to be part of the Gilas program.

One requirement in line with the FIBA rule is that the player has acquired a Philippine passport before turning 16.

Source: http://www. philstar.com/sportsarticle.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=69&articleid=852921&keyword=sp_pba