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What does the Philippine team need to watch out for (vol III)

While I am aware that Jap is not a good one on one defender especially on the low post, he is actually an exceptional complimentary defender (weakside) when playing alongside a strong post center like Marcus Doulthit. His ability to cover space rotating with Marcus strong to weak will be key. (includes pick and roll and covering perimeter) The effectiveness of this is very similar to how the Spurs improved defensively this year by playing Duncan and Splitter together. (read article below) .

"Exceptional" is pushing it. He's at times effective but still gets lost on rotations most times.

Unless he completely impresses Chot in practice the next few months in practice he's still ranked the lowest in the pecking order of the pool's big men.
 
"Exceptional" is pushing it. He's at times effective but still gets lost on rotations most times.

Unless he completely impresses Chot in practice the next few months in practice he's still ranked the lowest in the pecking order of the pool's big men.

While I can’t read Chot’s mind, I wouldn’t be sure about Japeth being last in Chot’s pecking order. The thing going for Jap is his unique combination of length and quickness not seen in the other big men pool members. The others are either big but slow or short but quick. So while Jap might be 3rd in line as either a back-up center behind JF and GS or back PF to Kelly and Ping, there is no telling if he is truly last in the pecking order of big men in Chot’s mind. For me all 5 players Kelly, Ping, Jap, GS and JF are all currently in the same boat, and what will convince Chot is their play in Lithuanian and the Jones cup.
 
Just can't help it but Kazemi's statline is just damn impressive. Against a Billikens team that was supposedly one of the top defensive teams in the NCAA tournament field.

33 rebounds combined in the Round of 64 and Round of 32.

Arsalan+Kazemi+NCAA+Basketball+Tournament+uBh8cs43atIx.jpg


We can only wish that our players with Div I experience had the same potential (No offense Gabe and Japeth, among others-- but you were lemons when you played for your respective alma mater).
 
While I can’t read Chot’s mind, I wouldn’t be sure about Japeth being last in Chot’s pecking order. The thing going for Jap is his unique combination of length and quickness not seen in the other big men pool members. The others are either big but slow or short but quick. So while Jap might be 3rd in line as either a back-up center behind JF and GS or back PF to Kelly and Ping, there is no telling if he is truly last in the pecking order of big men in Chot’s mind. For me all 5 players Kelly, Ping, Jap, GS and JF are all currently in the same boat, and what will convince Chot is their play in Lithuanian and the Jones cup.

Sure, we won't know. And of course, if Japeth can be consistent with his play with Global and Gilas practice and exhibition, the pecking order (and Chot's preference) can of course change.

Center:
1. Douthit
2. Fajardo
3. Slaughter
4. Aguilar (may out do Greg since Chot may want to go small)

Power Forward:
1. De Ocampo
2. Williams
3. Pingris
4. Aguilar

Again, this can change over time and what they show in practice.
 
Just can't help it but Kazemi's statline is just damn impressive. Against a Billikens team that was supposedly one of the top defensive teams in the NCAA tournament field.

33 rebounds combined in the Round of 64 and Round of 32.

Arsalan+Kazemi+NCAA+Basketball+Tournament+uBh8cs43atIx.jpg


We can only wish that our players with Div I experience had the same potential (No offense Gabe and Japeth, among others-- but you were lemons when you played for your respective alma mater).

Ouch. LOL.

Well, it looks like Iran has another NBA player in the pipeline, just perhaps in time to replace Hamed Hadadi in that department ...
 
In Fiba Asia Championships 2011, we have 4 players rotating on that spot Williams, Ranidel, Baracael and Aguilar.

Now come Fiba Asia 2013, Ranidel, Williams, and either Pingris or Japeth.

Here is the thing, if you based it on how the team was constructed in 2011 and the big man roles

Center: Marcus , ONLY one back up center - Asi

PF: Ranidel, and Williams .. Baracel played more of wing in FIBA Asia.

center /PF- Japeth

Expect the 2013 team and player roles to be similar.

2 Centers (Marcus plus JF or GS)
2 PF's (Del, Ping or Kelly or Jap)
1 player who can play center and PF (kelly or Jap)
 
Looking at our rivals (Iran, leb, China) frontline line-up specifically big men (Center and PF) , I’m of the opinion that much of our success in August will depend on our ability to defend the paint. A key component of this is the ability to play two-big men at the same time (twin towers so to speak for FIBA’s context). Unfortunately the PBA’s traditional good big men (Kelly, Ping and Ranidel) are undersize for FIBA Asia’s context. The other thing to remember for international basketball is the four spot because of spacing and the zone is traditionally played by a “stretch four” offensively and defensively (must also be able to cover perimeter) , especially for a DDO system. This makes playing either Fajardo or Slaughters with Marcus unlikely. This is where Japeth’s versatility and length really becomes critical for our campaign. While I am aware that Jap is not a good one on one defender especially on the low post, he is actually an exceptional complimentary defender (weakside) when playing alongside a strong post center like Marcus Doulthit. His ability to cover space rotating with Marcus strong to weak will be key. (includes pick and roll and covering perimeter) The effectiveness of this is very similar to how the Spurs improved defensively this year by playing Duncan and Splitter together. (read article below) .

Another key point to remember is if we need to go small for contingency purposes, remember that it was actually Gabe Norwood playing PF with Marcus in the Jones and Asia cup , that was our best defensive center &PF combo for those 2 tournaments.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/03/22/these-spurs-arent-the-same/

A big key has been the improvement from Tiago Splitter, who has been the full-time starter next to Tim Duncan since mid-December, and whose minutes have increased about 5 1/2 minutes per game from last season.
With Duncan and Splitter on the floor together, Spurs opponents have shot just 43.7 percent in the paint. That’s the lowest mark for any two-man combination that has defended at least 500 paint shots all season.

Lowest opponent FG% in the paint, two-man combinations
Combination OppFGM OppFGA OppFG%
Duncan & Splitter (SAS) 229 524 43.7%
Sanders & Dunleavy (MIL) 246 553 44.5%
Hibbert & George (IND) 594 1,310 45.3%


Minimum 500 FGA
The Spurs’ defense has allowed a measly 91.9 points per 100 possessions in the 648 minutes that Duncan and Splitter have shared the floor this season and just 87.4 in 477 minutes with Duncan, Splitter and Kawhi Leonard on the floor. That’s a ridiculously good defensive trio.
Opponents have scored 95.3 in Splitter’s 1,662 minutes total. Only five players who have logged at least 1,000 minutes (two for Memphis, two for Indiana and the Clippers’ Lamar Odom) have a lower on-court DefRtg.

Center: Marcus Douthit
Greg Slaughter

PF: June Mar Fajardo
Japeth Aguilar
 
Center: Marcus Douthit
Greg Slaughter

PF: June Mar Fajardo
Japeth Aguilar

I really doubt that Chot will select 3 pure centers (Marcus, JF, GS) or choose 3 exclusively PF’s (Ranidel, Ping, xxx?) . For versatility the 5th big has to have the ability to play both PF (preferably stretch 4) and some minutes at center. There are 2 players in the pool who can reasonably play this role. Note also Gabe can play PF for contingency purposes if needed.

If you agree with the logic the pecking order of chances to make the final 12 line-up are.

1.Marcus, Ranidel (shoo ins)
2. Kelly and Jap (They can either be the backup PF or play the PF/center role)
3. Greggy, JF and Ping (they can only exclusively play one position either Center or PF
 
I really doubt that Chot will select 3 pure centers (Marcus, JF, GS) or choose 3 exclusively PF’s (Ranidel, Ping, xxx?) . For versatility the 5th big has to have the ability to play both PF (preferably stretch 4) and some minutes at center. There are 2 players in the pool who can reasonably play this role. Note also Gabe can play PF for contingency purposes if needed.

If you agree with the logic the pecking order of chances to make the final 12 line-up are.

1.Marcus, Ranidel (shoo ins)
2. Kelly and Jap (They can either be the backup PF or play the PF/center role)
3. Greggy, JF and Ping (they can only exclusively play one position either Center or PF

This is where you are mistaken, if you want to talk versatilty then you should re-evaluate their actual positions (in relation to Chot's system and how they were used in the past):

Marcus - Center only
Ranidel - C and PF (maybe SF but that's pushing it)
Greggy - C only
Junmar - C (and maybe PF but again that's pushing it)
Kelly - C, PF and SF
Ping - PF and SF (especially defensively) - Maybe C but that too could be pushing it.
Japeth - C and PF
 
Just can't help it but Kazemi's statline is just damn impressive. Against a Billikens team that was supposedly one of the top defensive teams in the NCAA tournament field.

33 rebounds combined in the Round of 64 and Round of 32.

Arsalan+Kazemi+NCAA+Basketball+Tournament+uBh8cs43atIx.jpg


We can only wish that our players with Div I experience had the same potential (No offense Gabe and Japeth, among others-- but you were lemons when you played for your respective alma mater).

Man Kazemi is good. He's a real TALENT for Iran. Just a few years ago, he was already playing well at the World Championships and he's just gotten a lot better since. While I can't say that he'll make it to the NBA (forward positions just too deep in the Association), he's a guy who could surely find a place as a role player in a Euroleague team. Iran's extremely dangerous this Asian Championships. And with their "embarrassing" sudden exit from the previous Asian Championships, expect them to be locked and loaded to get back their crown as Asia's best.

Hamed Haddadi was already at a different level before than anyone in Asia but now I'm assuming he's even better; especially after getting at least 10 minutes a game for the Suns ever since joining them. He'll only get better. Throw in Kazemi and of course their closer in Samad Nikkah Bahrami and you've got one powerhouse of a team. It's bad enough that their core players like Kamrani, Davari, Kardoust, Sahakian are really really good but now, even their star players are even better. Whatever Chot's got planned, I sure hope we can overcome this Iranian juggernaut.
 
One thing about this Iran National Team is that first, their team is not really that deep. We can't match their first five at full strength, but once the starters sit down, we have a better chance. Something Chot should think of.

Second is that they have been blessed with durable players who have been there for ages. I have heard the names Hadadi, Kamrani, Bahrami, Nissin Mami, etc. since, what 2007? And they are still going strong. It doesn't look like they are now too old, either.
 
One thing about this Iran National Team is that first, their team is not really that deep. We can't match their first five at full strength, but once the starters sit down, we have a better chance. Something Chot should think of.

Second is that they have been blessed with durable players who have been there for ages. I have heard the names Hadadi, Kamrani, Bahrami, Nissin Mami, etc. since, what 2007? And they are still going strong. It doesn't look like they are now too old, either.

Yup. In fact Haddadi is in the prime of his career. He's what? Just 28 years old? I think Bahrami is a little older but I'm not really sure. I think they feel like they've been around forever because they've been playing together since they were teenagers with the U-20 national team of Iran. It's that benefit of familiarity and experience together that separates them from everyone else. Even if their "core" players only play a few months together, they won't have a problem of plugging them in because they already know each other's play style. Something we "might" not have the luxury of with only 2 months of crammed preparation.
 
This is where you are mistaken, if you want to talk versatilty then you should re-evaluate their actual positions (in relation to Chot's system and how they were used in the past):

Marcus - Center only
Ranidel - C and PF (maybe SF but that's pushing it)
Greggy - C only
Junmar - C (and maybe PF but again that's pushing it)
Kelly - C, PF and SF
Ping - PF and SF (especially defensively) - Maybe C but that too could be pushing it.
Japeth - C and PF

6 of these players you've mentioned will make the team.
 
This is where you are mistaken, if you want to talk versatilty then you should re-evaluate their actual positions (in relation to Chot's system and how they were used in the past):

Marcus - Center only
Ranidel - C and PF (maybe SF but that's pushing it)
Greggy - C only
Junmar - C (and maybe PF but again that's pushing it)
Kelly - C, PF and SF
Ping - PF and SF (especially defensively) - Maybe C but that too could be pushing it.
Japeth - C and PF

I would qualify that however, that it's versatility for the FIBA Asia context . Ranidel and Ping may have played Center in the past in the PBA, but it is really pushing it for them to play C in FIBA Asia. The other thing is versatilty to play SF offensively is really not a huge need for us. As we have multiple players in the pool who can slide up and play SF offensively and play it more effectivly than our Bigs.
 
I would qualify that however, that it's versatility for the FIBA Asia context . Ranidel and Ping may have played Center in the past in the PBA, but it is really pushing it for them to play C in FIBA Asia. The other thing is versatilty to play SF offensively is really not a huge need for us. As we have multiple players in the pool who can slide up and play SF offensively and play it more effectivly than our Bigs.

This is going to be the tallest RP team in the fiba asia. chot will choose 1 legit pure point guard in castro. our wings are heavy, lock and loaded. 3 shooting guards you can name it already. 2 centers with douthit. 4 players that will play pf/c and if needed sf. 2 players that have ability to play as a point forward effectively.

Gilas Pilipinas see you in august.
 
I would qualify that however, that it's versatility for the FIBA Asia context . Ranidel and Ping may have played Center in the past in the PBA, but it is really pushing it for them to play C in FIBA Asia. The other thing is versatilty to play SF offensively is really not a huge need for us. As we have multiple players in the pool who can slide up and play SF offensively and play it more effectivly than our Bigs.

Point taken. But do note that even Norwood saw time at the PF spot in Chot's experimental combinations. Ranidel also played C in certain match-ups.
 
Yup. In fact Haddadi is in the prime of his career. He's what? Just 28 years old? I think Bahrami is a little older but I'm not really sure. I think they feel like they've been around forever because they've been playing together since they were teenagers with the U-20 national team of Iran. It's that benefit of familiarity and experience together that separates them from everyone else. Even if their "core" players only play a few months together, they won't have a problem of plugging them in because they already know each other's play style. Something we "might" not have the luxury of with only 2 months of crammed preparation.

I don't agree 100% with this. Our team has also been playing together for a number of years. Guys like De Ocampo, Douthit, Williams, Thoss, etc. have also been familiar fixtures in the Philippine National team.

I think Iran's dominance is more due to their height, heft and talent, complemented by them playing together for a long time.
 
I hope that after this year's FIBA ASIA Championship, Coach Chot will not say"we lost to Iran and China because our team had a height disadvantage, they are big and tall compared to our team"..
 
Center: Marcus Douthit
Greg Slaughter

PF: June Mar Fajardo
Japeth Aguilar

I would say however that fajardo at center and marcus at pf is a possibility , however I doubt chot has enough time to integrate this combo for August
 
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