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SBP Long-Term National Pool (Vol. XIX)

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Though Maeirhoffer is a 3 IMO.

Papot is like a Jay-r Reyes. Yutien can be a poor man's Aldrech Ramos. But both are not in the caliber of Norbert. Torres has that unlimited potential. And all should be playing 4 in the next level.

Sangalang is a 5 in SSC-R because there is no one else to put in his position with his height and skill. He can be a 4 due to his style of play. Almazan has still a lot of work to do.

I remember before that Torres was jacking a lot of 3s.


I see Sanggalang as a younger and taller version of Iledefonso While Torres is a Bong Hawkins type of player. You're all right. The mentioned names should be exposed playing 4. It's good for NT, it's good for Philippine basketball.
 
Wow.. How i wish President NoyNoy will watch also our Philippine National Basketball Team like Barack Obama..:) :) ;)


Obama at 6'1 was a high school basketball varsity that explains his interest in the sport. While Noynoy...... I doubt if he was into sports.
 
Obama at 6'1 was a high school basketball varsity that explains his interest in the sport. While Noynoy...... I doubt if he was into sports.

OT: Former Pres. estrada is the last president who loves sports most especially basketball. he even sponsor a tournament between South east asia. If people only voted Estrada more, the naturalization process of McGee is already done and probably Estrada might help sponsor the National team.
 
quite contradictory to what the dlsu commmunity used to say last year when he was bricking jumpshots left and right...hehe oh and i think it's only you who calls maierhofer a "legit" big. he's more of a 3...

yah, that's just what I think. It's not an opinion shared by other Lasallians. For me it's nice to see Torres shooting (making) his jumpers, when he used to brick most of them last year. And I didn't say RM is a legit big, I only said he's legit PERIOD. If he's a 3 then he's a legit 3. :) The point is that he's a good player who deserves more minutes. And he usually played 4/5 in college. :)
 
wait a minute kapeng mainit!!!!!!!

what is this i am seeing?!?!?!?!?!

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anyone???


so what is surprising .... even though NoliEala is no longer the Executive Director, he is still a member of the SBP. Another thing he is part of the powerful FIBA Legal Committee which requires its members to be associated with his respective country's National Basketball Federation.

He has every right to attend.
 
Well everything is good .....


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Noli Eala@NoliEala

Afternoon spent with old friends in the basketball community. Good to hear about SBP plans.

6:09 PM - 17 Jul 12 via Twitter for BlackBerry® ·
 
bad news is that McGee might not make it here this August but the good news is its because of this:

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson

Hakeem Olajuwon said he plans to work out Denver restricted free-agent center JaVale McGee in early August at his ranch outside Houston.

7:51 AM - 14 Jul 12 via Sulia ·


if Hakeem says that's the only time he's free to teach JaVale then its a good reason or excuse for JaVale not being able to come and train with Gilas 2.0 on August 1 to 15.

http://nbamistress.com/2012/06/denver-nuggets-sending-javale-mcgee-to-workout-with-hakeem-olajuwon/

The NBA Mistress Jun 30

Denver Nuggets sending JaVale McGee to workout with Hakeem Olajuwon

The Denver Nuggets plan on sending three to four big men to work out with 2-time NBA Champion, 12-time All-Star, two-time DPOY Hakeem Olajuwon this summer, and one of those is JaVale McGee.


"Hakeem Olajuwon said Nuggets expect to send 3 or 4 big men to work out with him in August in Houston 2 will be JaVale McGee & Timofey Mozgov"​


JaVale was exchanged for Nene back in March and is a restricted free agent, but is someone Denver plans on re-upping and being a part of their young core. JaVale intrigued many during his time last season with Denver especially during the Lakers-Nuggets series.

Tomasson reports Denver will send 3-4 bigs to Hakeem n August, the other two being Faried and Kosta Koufos.

Of the most recent players that have worked with The Dream is LeBron James and was a tuning out tutor for James during the playoffs.


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just imagine ..... JaVale McGee improving his game under George Karl and Hakeem Olajuwon before suiting-up for TEAM PILIPINAS ..... that's gonna be something good for our future.
 
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well its his call, we can only trust that he is a man of his word. If he turns his back, well that's life as we cannot force somebody if he does not want to.

Look at Ben Gordon, for so many years everybody knows he said he'll play for Great Britain but upto this time he has not suited-up for the Union Jack. These kind of things do happen.

Then there's the case of 7'4 Priest Lauderdale who was naturalized by Bulgaria and was actually paid for doing so, what he asked was given but in the end he never played for the former Communist Country and actually owes his Bulgarian Club team a large amount of money for not finishing his contract plus the expenses he accumulated before fleeing the country.

Or lets not go so far, lets discuss the case of Jackson Vroman, yes he suited-up for Lebanon for one cycle but he asked for the same deal Joe Vogel had but which the Lebanese Federation could no longer give plus he did not fit well with the team especially Fadi El-Khatib. So he refused to play again at a Naturalized Player.

There are a lot of risks all countries have to take, there is no assurances. Nothing is perfect in this world.

http://yourthecatcher.blogspot.com/2012/05/philippines-intent-to-acquire-javale.html


Philippines' intent to acquire Javale McGee causes a big stir in the US Basketball, featured in yahoo sports
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Denver Nuggets athletic center is now on a dilemma whether to choose his homeland or the Philippines to play in any FIBA Sanction events. This issue was even featured in Yahoo Sports click here.

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House Bill 6169 has been filed already by the Antipolo Representative Robbie Puno to naturalize McGee to make him eligible for the Smart Gilas Pilipinas National Team next FIBA Asia 2013 or by 2015.

The 7-foot Center of Denver Nuggets is a freak of nature with his athleticism as he can swat any shot he wants with his vertical leap and long limbs.

Despite his immaturity, you can't deny the fact that McGee can hold his ground against the best center in world. In their series against the Lakers, the are several times that he outplated Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol who were both touted as some of the best center in our time.

McGee tweeted about his intention to play for the Philippines:
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With Dwight Howard out of the US Olympic Team due to injury, McGee might be consider as their back up center.

Will McGee play for Philippines?or United States?

Bill Filed for McGee's Naturalization:
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An article from a former assistant coach of Rajko Toroman at SMART GILAS:

http://ph.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/sharp-shooter/mcgee-douthit-045626279.html

McGee or Douthit?
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By Jude Roque | Sharp Shooter – Mon, May 21, 2012 12:56 PM PHT

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Marcus Douthit, shown here in the NBDL in 2006, is still the country's resident naturalized player. (Getty Images)

Now that a bill (House Bill No. 6169) to grant Philippine citizenship to NBA star JaVale McGee had been filed in Congress, there could be two naturalized imports available for the Smart Gilas Pilipinas national men's basketball team before the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship, where the top three teams advance to the 2014 FIBA World Cup in Spain. Currently, former Providence Friar Marcus Douthit is the resident import for Gilas after being conferred Philippine citizenship (Republic Act 10148) last year.

If McGee is also granted the same honor, new Gilas coach Chot Reyes will have the rare privilege of choosing between the Denver Nuggets center and Douthit. FIBA only allows one naturalized player per team, and this concession has been gladly availed even by powerhouse basketball countries like Spain, Russia and Germany. In Asia, the national teams of Lebanon, Jordan, Korea and Japan all have exercised their right to compete with a naturalized player.

Obviously, the undersized Philippine team badly needs a shot in the arm at the center position to match up against the behemoths of China, Iran, Korea, Jordan, Lebanon and Qatar. Defending Asian champion China has four players over 6'9" — the 6'11" Yi Jianlian, 6'11" Su Wei, 7'0" Wang Zhizhi, and 7'3" Zhang Zhaoxu. Two-time FIBA-Asia titlist Iran has 7'2" Hamed Haddadi and 6'11" Asghar Kardoust. In the present Gilas pool, the tallest player is 6'7" Sonny Thoss, even when 7'0" Greg Slaughter is expected to be included after the UAAP season.

Perhaps the only time that McGee and Douthit went head-to-head was during an exhibition game between Gilas and NBA superstars last year, which the latter expectedly won, 98-89. McGee, who topscored with 25 markers against the PBA All-Stars the night before, was limited by Douthit to just 15 points, 5 rebounds and 2 blocks. Douthit had 14 points but hit back-to-back baskets in the final minutes of the game to spark a strong comeback by Gilas from a 21-point deficit down to just seven. This rally prompted the star-struck 21,000 strong crowd at the Big Dome to start rooting for the Nationals. McGee's teammates included Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, Derek Fisher, Tyreke Evans, Derrick Williams and James Harden. Bryant led all scorers in that game with 17. Six of the 14 slam dunks by the visiting team came from McGee.

So who should Smart Gilas pick as its naturalized import — Douthit or McGee?

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JaVale McGee's naturalization process is underway. (Getty Images)

Here are some factors to consider:


PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES. Logically, priority should be given to the size and strength of the candidates since these are what the team lacks. McGee is listed at 7'1" and 252 pounds while Douthit is 6'11" and weighs 233 pounds. McGee has a wingspan of seven feet and six and a half inches, the largest of any player in the NBA today. But Douthit's wingspan is not too far behind, at seven feet and four inches. Both are incredibly athletic but Javale is a lot quicker. In Chot's up-tempo style and dribble-drive motion system, quickness is a major consideration. Both McGee and Douthit are not known as bangers on the court. But McGee appears to be the stronger one physically. He is also eight years younger than Douthit, at only 24.

SKILLS. There is no question that both candidates can play in the highest level of the sport. Offensively however, Douthit has the edge in skills. Marcus is an excellent post player, especially when facing the basket. He's got a variety of moves inside the paint with his remarkable footwork. One of his signature moves is the spin and up-and-under attack. Douthit is also a terrific ball-handler and he can certainly dribble from one end of the court to the other. More importantly, he is an excellent perimeter shooter. Against taller defenders, Marcus has the option of taking the outside shot, or penetrating the defense. McGee does not have too many offensive moves, and scores mostly on putbacks and alley-oops. Defensively however, the advantage goes to Javale. He is more aggressive in swatting shots and crashing the boards. With his height and wingspan, he can surely shackle post players and intimidate slashers. Since the current Gilas pool boasts of several scorers, a defensive specialist may be the preferred choice.

CREDENTIALS. Having played already five seasons in the NBA, including the recent first round of the Western Conference playoffs, McGee can definitely brag about his accomplishments. He was picked 18th overall in the 2008 NBA Draft and played four years with Washington before being traded to Denver. Of the 275 regular games he played, he was a starter 153 times. He also plays significant minutes, averaging 21.2 minutes per game. His numbers are noteworthy as well, with 8.6 points, 6 rebounds, 1.8 blocks and an amazing 53% field goal shooting. His norms in rebounding and shot-blocks improved to 9.6 and 3 respectively during the recent playoffs. Douthit never got to play in the NBA although he almost made it to the rosters of the Los Angeles Lakers and LA Clippers. He was selected by the Lakers 56th over-all in 2004.

INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE. Without a doubt, Douthit has the upper hand in international experience. He's played in professional leagues in Belgium, Turkey, Russia, Korea, the Philippines and China. In all these places, the FIBA rules were practiced. Of course, Douthit also suited up with Gilas in several international meets including the last Asian championship. In contrast, McGee's stints were with the University of Nevada in the US NCAA, and the NBA. The FIBA rules don't apply in both leagues. The closest that McGee got to playing international basketball were in a scrimmage as part of the United States national team pool in 2010, and the exhibition game in Manila last year.

ATTITUDE. This is unquestionably a huge factor in any national team. Playing for pride and honor is crucial. The attitude of national players towards playing for flag and country instead of money is a major consideration. Douthit has been part of the Gilas program for at least two years now and has not displayed any major attitude problem so far. He's had some little quarrels with former Gilas coach Rajko Toroman before but these were just all part of the day's work. McGee has expressed his interest in playing for the Philippines but until he does, there's no telling how his attitude would be.

ADAPTABILITY. How the import will adapt to both the country and international games is indeed of utmost importance. McGee at his young age has never left the US for a long period of time. If he joins Gilas, he will have to stay here for months. Douthit has adapted pretty well in the country and has learned to embrace some of its culture. It also takes some time to get used to the international game where teams commonly play everyday for a week or two. And the constant traveling can be taxing as well.

COMMITMENT. Serving the national team is no walk in the park. It takes a lot of sacrifice from its members. The naturalized player is one of the most important players, if not the most important, in the team. His commitment could spell the difference between success and failure. Douthit has shown his commitment by relocating his family here and even transferring his daughter to a local school. The preparation for the major competitions is going to depend largely on the availability of the import to join the training. But the imports need not be in the country for an entire year. In the case of McGee, he can still see action for the Nuggets during the NBA season then return here when it ends.

MARKETABILITY. If McGee does wear the Philippine colors, it would be a gigantic boost to the image of the country, having a legit NBA personality. Gilas will be the instant talk of the town in Asian meets. Not only is McGee an imposing figure but also an exciting athlete who loves to finish with a slam dunk. Unless Yao Ming comes out of retirement, he will definitely outshine other NBA veterans in Asia, past and present, like China's Yi and Wang, Iran's Haddadi, Korea's Ha Seung-Jin and Japan's Yuta Tabuse. He might find some competition though in the popularity department if Jeremy Lin suits up for Chinese Taipei.

BEHAVIOR OFF THE COURT. Representing a country also demands good behavior even off the court. The image of a country can easily be stained when one of its athletes misbehaves. In the past, there had been some cases where PBA imports got into trouble here. The SBP also had its share of roguish imports before Douthit came along. Fortunately for Gilas, Marcus knows his limits with regard to off-the-court activities. So far there have not been any unpleasant reports about McGee's life outside basketball.

CONTINUITY OF THE PROGRAM. It's not easy naturalizing a foreigner. Congress will not keep processing applications for citizenship all the time. This is partly why the SBP chose a young player to be a candidate for naturalization. At 24, McGee can serve the national team for as long as ten years. Douthit can still play competitively for at least two more years. But the entry of McGee can ensure continuity of the program, and offer an option in case some unforeseen events occur.​


When the time comes, Chot, SBP and the Smart Gilas management will have to decide who between the two candidates will be part of the national team's roster. But a lot will depend on the negotiations with McGee after he is granted Philippine citizenship. In case of a stalemate, Douthit is very much capable of leading the nationals to battle. He was, after all, the best player in the whole FIBA Asia Championship last year. But if things fall into place with McGee, then chances are this kid from Michigan would be the man in the middle for Gilas II.

[RELATED: McGee's naturalization]
 
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here is an old photo of the Nokia Philippines U16(?) national team that featured a you norbert torres, papot paredes and ian sangalang.. It seems Sangalang hasn't had his growth spurt yet. but i remember norbert torres being listed at 6'8 during this time. i believe norbert is legit 6'6 like JR reyes and rabeh al-husseini and could be listed at 6'7 0r 6'8 while papot a legit 6'5 which could list him at 6'6/6'7.. they have perfect size for power forward in international competitions.
 
I see Sanggalang as a younger and taller version of Iledefonso While Torres is a Bong Hawkins type of player. You're all right. The mentioned names should be exposed playing 4. It's good for NT, it's good for Philippine basketball.

Well with the presence of a naturalised center in Doulthit and maybe McGee in the future, our focus on big man development should be a Four with an outside shot, Note also prototypical power forwards in the international game our the likes of Carmelo Anthony and Durant (natural SF in the NBA) players whe can rebound and shoot from the outside.
 
well, it's like choosing between ranidel (torres) or japeth (avo) right now...and hands down, no question even if ranidel is 3-4 inches shorter i'd still pick him. it's not really the mindset but the player that gives you the best chance to win...someone just tall is actually a liability than someone who is undersized but understands the game and has the skills to boot. and also much like japeth, i'm not giving much hope for AVO to improve as much as he hopefully should.

BTW for me one of the most effective bigs we have had in recent years is Dennis Espino,
His traits , good on defense and rebounding, smart with an outside shot and of legit size 6, 7" is what we really need for the international game to compliment a naturalised center. the guy dosen't really need to be overly athletic or a great low post scorer.
 
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here is an old photo of the Nokia Philippines U16(?) national team that featured a you norbert torres, papot paredes and ian sangalang.. It seems Sangalang hasn't had his growth spurt yet. but i remember norbert torres being listed at 6'8 during this time. i believe norbert is legit 6'6 like JR reyes and rabeh al-husseini and could be listed at 6'7 0r 6'8 while papot a legit 6'5 which could list him at 6'6/6'7.. they have perfect size for power forward in international competitions.

its U18,that time there was no U16 Internationally but U22. I think Ian like majority of Filipinos have their growth spurt after circumcision (if not done while as a baby).
 
Well with the presence of a naturalised center in Doulthit and maybe McGee in the future, our focus on big man development should be a Four with an outside shot, Note also prototypical power forwards in the international game our the likes of Carmelo Anthony and Durant (natural SF in the NBA) players whe can rebound and shoot from the outside.

I do not agree, even Coach K mentioned Melo and KD are not the typical Power Forwards you have for International Play and he is only forced to do so because they can. Having a unconventional line-up is not a problem for Team USA because of the versatility of its individual players which makes them capable of playing different positions with ease.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8102121&lang=ES&wjb=

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/love-363812-nba-olympic.html

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/london/story/2012-07-13/Coach-K-shuffles-lineups-Durant-off-bench/56200610/1

If ever Coach K had the convenience of having the legitimate bigmen in this Team USA, he wouldn't use either Melo or KD as Power Forwards but instead as Small Forwards and they'll have a sizeable advantage vs their opponents size and talent wise.

It is actually Kevin Love and Blake Griffin who Coach K considers as perfect for the Power Forward position, but since they only have Tyson Chandler as their lone legitimate Center, both were supposed to play Center. But now Blake is out due to injury.
 
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Well with the presence of a naturalised center in Doulthit and maybe McGee in the future, our focus on big man development should be a Four with an outside shot, Note also prototypical power forwards in the international game our the likes of Carmelo Anthony and Durant (natural SF in the NBA) players whe can rebound and shoot from the outside.

we should not rely too much on the naturalised center though. We need at least 2 good back-up centres, who would be able to step up in the absence of the naturalisee. Of the curently available guys Fajardo and Slaughter would be the best (if not the only ones).
As to PFs, we have the prototypes: Ranidel, Kelly, and J-Wash. internationally there's Macvan, Mirotic, Printezis, and Claver,. I think Asian teams have been weak at PF in general so we can exploit this and develop a reliable PF or two to utilise in the attack. Few standouts include Oh Sekeun, Ismail Ahmad from Al-Riyadi (he's Egyptian tho) and the Abbaas brothers. Korea, Japan, Lebanon, Qatar, and Taiwan all go to either the perimeter or to the center in the paint.. aside from rebounding tour prospective PFs must also be good defenders hehe. I think it would be nice if Dave Marcelo can be converted to a PF with outside shooting, like Beau Belga who can fake the three and attack from the outside in.
 
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we should not rely too much on the naturalised center though. We need at least 2 good back-up centres, who would be able to step up in the absence of the naturalisee. Of the curently available guys Fajardo and Slaughter would be the best (if not the only ones).
As to PFs, we have the prototypes: Ranidel, Kelly, and J-Wash. internationally there's Macvan, Mirotic, Printezis, and Claver,. I think Asian teams have been weak at PF in general so we can exploit this and develop a reliable PF or two to utilise in the attack. Few standouts include Oh Sekeun, Ismail Ahmad from Al-Riyadi (he's Egyptian tho) and the Abbaas brothers. Korea, Japan, Lebanon, Qatar, and Taiwan all go to either the perimeter or to the center in the paint.. aside from rebounding tour prospective PFs must also be good defenders hehe. I think it would be nice if Dave Marcelo can be converted to a PF with outside shooting, like Beau Belga who can fake the three and attack from the outside in.

Yup I would say Ranidel and JayWash as the prototypes ..... Kelly is actually more of a Small Forward even if he is not really that deadly from the outside.
 
Wow if ever wow.. im just hoping that Mcgee will be true to his words.. if that happens oh my gulay para tayong tumama sa lotto nito.. he will improve a lot under Hakeem like what happen to Lebron.. :) so happy for him.. sana late august na lng.. so if ever he can still go here para maliwanagan na lahat.. :p :) :)


bad news is that McGee might not make it here this August but the good news is its because of this:

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson

Hakeem Olajuwon said he plans to work out Denver restricted free-agent center JaVale McGee in early August at his ranch outside Houston.

7:51 AM - 14 Jul 12 via Sulia ·


if Hakeem says that's the only time he's free to teach JaVale then its a good reason or excuse for JaVale not being able to come and train with Gilas 2.0 on August 1 to 15.

http://nbamistress.com/2012/06/denver-nuggets-sending-javale-mcgee-to-workout-with-hakeem-olajuwon/

The NBA Mistress Jun 30

Denver Nuggets sending JaVale McGee to workout with Hakeem Olajuwon

The Denver Nuggets plan on sending three to four big men to work out with 2-time NBA Champion, 12-time All-Star, two-time DPOY Hakeem Olajuwon this summer, and one of those is JaVale McGee.


"Hakeem Olajuwon said Nuggets expect to send 3 or 4 big men to work out with him in August in Houston 2 will be JaVale McGee & Timofey Mozgov"​


JaVale was exchanged for Nene back in March and is a restricted free agent, but is someone Denver plans on re-upping and being a part of their young core. JaVale intrigued many during his time last season with Denver especially during the Lakers-Nuggets series.

Tomasson reports Denver will send 3-4 bigs to Hakeem n August, the other two being Faried and Kosta Koufos.

Of the most recent players that have worked with The Dream is LeBron James and was a tuning out tutor for James during the playoffs.


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just imagine ..... JaVale McGee improving his game under George Karl and Hakeem Olajuwon before suiting-up for TEAM PILIPINAS ..... that's gonna be something good for our future.
 
Wow if ever wow.. im just hoping that Mcgee will be true to his words.. if that happens oh my gulay para tayong tumama sa lotto nito.. he will improve a lot under Hakeem like what happen to Lebron.. :) so happy for him.. sana late august na lng.. so if ever he can still go here para maliwanagan na lahat.. :p :) :)

Its like a Horse Race ....

"Tumayo tayu sa talagang dehado"

This is because we still took a big risk in McGee despite all the bad publicity he is getting in the US and the internet

Again in any gamble ..... we hope and pray that we come out as the big winners.
 
Its like a Horse Race ....

"Tumayo tayu sa talagang dehado"

This is because we still took a big risk in McGee despite all the bad publicity he is getting in the US and the internet

Again in any gamble ..... we hope and pray that we come out as the big winners.

i think sir nardy it's a good gamble for us.. itaga mo sa bato.. lagi kung pinagdarasal at pinagtitirik ng kandila yan sa MANAOAG :).. i always pray and in God's Grace i know we will prevail.. Mabuhay ang PILIPINAS...
 
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