SBP Long-Term National Pool (Vol. XVI)

[analyzed2]

valid point but we should consider the fact that gilas has played 100+ ball games before they play their first major tourney which is asiad, but along the way some gilas players although good are not enough quality wise to compete with asian games luckily we had pba players but theres a hinch pba players like Asi's Kelly's Ranidel and Jimmy who has quite an experience playing nt ball games..



what do we go from here 2012 is the year not for the national team specifically but for the national pool as well if we want some pba player to be inserted in the lineup let them play the neede fiba games but WAIT a minute the best pba players had quite a number of fiba games already except for a guy named Jay Washington Joe Devance and Jay R Reyes

but i did not include the ifs and buts of what we called realityof life in this

The PBA off season of 2012 is very important to get whoever we are considering to get some internatonal expereince and to develop some cohesivness. Almost certain is the inclusion of at least 5 former Gilas players. People forget while the 3 PBA reinforcements were used more than some of the Gilas supporting players in last Fiba tournamanent , but actually at least 5 main gilas players still played more than the TNT reinforcements. In any event there will still be 1 or 2 new PBA reinforcements who were not part of the national team this year. But if anyone is expecting a signicant revamp of the roster (6 plus new PBA players) I think you will be dissapointed. Continuity of the core plus fresh blood from SINAG (they more time available to prepare than PBA players) is still going to form the bulk of the team (at least 8 players)

 

[durden_tyler2]

The PBA off season of 2012 is very important to get whoever we are considering to get some internatonal expereince and to develop some cohesivness. Almost certain is the inclusion of at least 5 former Gilas players. People forget while the 3 PBA reinforcements were used more than some of the Gilas supporting players in last Fiba tournamanent , but actually at least 5 main gilas players still played more than the TNT reinforcements. In any event there will still be 1 or 2 new PBA reinforcements who were not part of the national team this year. But if anyone is expecting a signicant revamp of the roster (6 plus new PBA players) I think you will be dissapointed. Continuity of the core plus fresh blood from SINAG (they more time available to prepare than PBA players) is still going to form the bulk of the team (at least 8 players)

From that thought it's safe to say these are shoo-ins:

Douthit
Tiu
Lassiter (depends on Powerade)
Lutz (depends on Petron)
Aguilar
Casio (depends on Powerade)

Question: Which SINAG player/s do you see in the line-up, and would they be ready by 2014?

 

[reamily2]

The PBA off season of 2012 is very important to get whoever we are considering to get some internatonal expereince and to develop some cohesivness. Almost certain is the inclusion of at least 5 former Gilas players. People forget while the 3 PBA reinforcements were used more than some of the Gilas supporting players in last Fiba tournamanent , but actually at least 5 main gilas players still played more than the TNT reinforcements. In any event there will still be 1 or 2 new PBA reinforcements who were not part of the national team this year. But if anyone is expecting a signicant revamp of the roster (6 plus new PBA players) I think you will be dissapointed. Continuity of the core plus fresh blood from SINAG (they more time available to prepare than PBA players) is still going to form the bulk of the team (at least 8 players)

valid point sir but given the 2 of the 5 pba reinforcements (I include japhet ) are in the twilight of their pro careers (asi and jimmy) kelly is 31 by 2013 Ranidel will be 32 before the year ends so we can say that almost all of them will not be competitive by 2015..


but yeah it will really depend on we are really bent to get the wbc slot more than the olympics but realized that if we qualify for the worlds we have one more tournament to test the other best players who lack fiba experience (which I think will be fewer and fewer given the renaissance of basketball program we implement since 2007 )

 

[killmebusy2]

From that thought it's safe to say these are shoo-ins:

Douthit
Tiu
Lassiter (depends on Powerade)
Lutz (depends on Petron)
Aguilar
Casio (depends on Powerade)

Question: Which SINAG player/s do you see in the line-up, and would they be ready by 2014?

pretty sure parks, ramos and slaughter would be right in the mix...

 

[durden_tyler2]

pretty sure parks, ramos and slaughter would be right in the mix...

Part of the key rotation of the pool? i can understand if its the latter, but the former? Are they ready by 2013/14? i doubt it. There are other options. let's keep in mind that Gilas 2.0 is NOT a developmental team-- we heard that in Gilas 1.0 but it never happened that way.

 

[analyzed2]

From that thought it's safe to say these are shoo-ins:

Douthit
Tiu
Lassiter (depends on Powerade)
Lutz (depends on Petron)
Aguilar
Casio (depends on Powerade)

I think either Ranildel or Williams is shoo inn
then Castro or Ryan Reyes
You have to realise that even without an MOA with the PBA it's so much easier to hold joint practices among sister teams. Gilas and TNT. And with Chot being part of the coaching staff of Gilas. Those TNT players are shoo-ins as well.

So that 8 players already accounted for 5 Gilas plus 3 TNT

Question: Which SINAG player/s do you see in the line-up, and would they be ready by 2014?

It remains to be seen if any of the SINAG players will be ready to play significant role in 2012. But a back-up supporting role (5 to 10 min) absolutely. I see Parks and Slaugheters because of sheer length alone being able to play garbage minutes. ( play against the weaker teams). Part of the reason they will be their is for investment in the future. It's just logical that for your 11th and 12th man to invest on developmental players. rather than PBA veterans who probably will cry foul for sitting on the bench. ( I mean why get them when their going to bench warmers)

So that brings the line-up to 10 players.

So really like I said you're looking at 1 or 2 new PBA recruits. My guess is for insurance purposes (in case Sluaghters and Parks are not ready) get a center like Thoss and a wing like Dillinger (another TNT guy) or Norwood.

So in reality this 16 PBA pool idea is really meaningless. We already know the 8 to 10 players likely to be cossidered from the PBA , more important is the conditions of lending them.

 

[durden_tyler2]

I think either Ranildel or Williams is shoo inn
then Castro or Ryan Reyes
You have to realise that even without an MOA with the PBA it's so much easier to hold joint practices among sister teams. Gilas and TNT. And with Chot being part of the coaching staff of Gilas. Those TNT players are shoo-ins as well.

So that 8 players already accounted for 5 Gilas plus 3 TNT



It remains to be seen if any of the SINAG players will be ready to play significant role in 2012. But a back-up supporting role (5 to 10 min) absolutely. I see Parks and Slaugheters because of sheer length alone being able to play garbage minutes. ( play against the weaker teams). Part of the reason they will be their is for investment in the future. It's just logical that for your 11th and 12th man to invest on developmental players. rather than PBA veterans who probably will cry foul for sitting on the bench. ( I mean why get them when their going to bench warmers)

So that brings the line-up to 10 players.

So really like I said you're looking at 1 or 2 new PBA recruits. My guess is for insurance purposes (in case Sluaghters and Parks are not ready) get a center like Thoss and a wing like Dillinger (another TNT guy) or Norwood.

So in reality this 16 PBA pool idea is really meaningless. We already know the 8 to 10 players likely to be cossidered from the PBA , more important is the conditions of lending them.

Point taken. But the point of the matter is the new coach will be limited in his choices if it comes down to "settling" for MVP-owned players only.

 

[a_ron2]

here's my ang bumagga giba national team hehehe

C- Dorian Peña
Pf- Homer Se
Sf- Mark Yee
Sg- Ronald tubid
Pg- Winnie Alboleda

Reserves:
Beu Belga
Yancy De Ocampo
Ryan Reyes
Denok Miranda
Jerwin Gaco
Aaron Aban
Alex Crisano

This guys won't back down on anything. Im sure Haddadi would have an off night if he faces this team

Talo pa ang Centennial Team nito.

 

[rocketstar472]

This Could be my best line up

-Ryan REYES
6"2 PG/SG
-Greg SLAUGHTER
6"11 C
-JV CASIO
5"10 PG
-Paul LEE
6"0 SG/PG
-Chris TIU
6"0 SG
-Japeth AGUILAR
6"9 PF/SF
-Junemar FAJARDO
6"10 C/PF
-Marcus DOUTHIT
6"11 C
-Kelly WILLIAMS
6"7 PF
-Marcio LASSITER
6"3 SF/SG
-Chris LUTZ
6"3 SF
-Ranidel DE OCAMPO
6"6 SF/PF


HEADCOACH: Rajko Toroman
ASST COACH: Chot Reyes
Norman Black
Charles TIU

 

[acklium2]

This Could be my best line up

-Ryan REYES
6"2 PG/SG
-Greg SLAUGHTER
6"11 C
-JV CASIO
5"10 PG
-Paul LEE
6"0 SG/PG
-Chris TIU
6"0 SG
-Japeth AGUILAR
6"9 PF/SF
-Junemar FAJARDO
6"10 C/PF
-Marcus DOUTHIT
6"11 C
-Kelly WILLIAMS
6"7 PF
-Marcio LASSITER
6"3 SF/SG
-Chris LUTZ
6"3 SF
-Ranidel DE OCAMPO
6"6 SF/PF


HEADCOACH: Rajko Toroman
ASST COACH: Chot Reyes
Norman Black
Charles TIU

lol with a legitimate swingmen again?

 

[ricodgame2]

^ maybe we can replace Paul Lee with Jason Castro

 

[rocketstar472]

^ maybe we can replace Paul Lee with Jason Castro

I Agree

 

[analyzed2]

On the point of getting development (SINAG) players for your 11th and 12th man. Those roles were playerd by Japeth and Baracel in the last FIBA Asia, and they din't complain just like I don't expect Slaughers and Parks to complain if they don't get used significantly in 2012.

But imagine if we asked Thoss and Norwood to sacrifice and prepare for the gilas team in 2012. only to bench them like Japeth and Baracel. Man you won't only get it from Thoss and Gabe, Alaska and Rain or shine would also probably complain. ( they loaned their players for nothing.. what a waste).

That's why wheter the SInAG players are ready or not , you've got to invest in them rather than have PBA pros playing meaningless roles

 

[rocketstar472]

If we continue the lineup of chot reyes in 2007 up to present i think we could qualify in turkey and london

 

[durden_tyler2]

On the point of getting development (SINAG) players for your 11th and 12th man. Those roles were playerd by Japeth and Baracel in the last FIBA Asia, and they din't complain just like I don't expect Slaughers and Parks to complain if they don't get used significantly in 2012.

But imagine if we asked Thoss and Norwood to sacrifice and prepare for the gilas team in 2012. only to bench them like Japeth and Baracel. Man you won't only get it from Thoss and Gabe, Alaska and Rain or shine would also probably complain. ( they loaned their players for nothing.. what a waste).

That's why wheter the SInAG players are ready or not , you've got to invest in them rather than have PBA pros playing meaningless roles

That is assuming your coach actually wants to "develop" players-- and well if the program dictates it.

Chot Reyes, who is rumored to be the top contender for the position is a "win now" coach. Heck, even Toroman was

 

[durden_tyler2]

If we continue the lineup of chot reyes in 2007 up to present i think we could qualify in turkey and london

They are more potent and talent overall true. But Gilas has the better system. So i don't know which is the better team.

 

[rocketstar472]

They are more potent and talent overall true. But Gilas has the better system. So i don't know which is the better team.

If toroman is the coach in 2007 and they trained like the training of gilas
plus Marcus Douthit what could be the result.

 

[analyzed2]

That is assuming your coach actually wants to "develop" players-- and well if the program dictates it.

Chot Reyes, who is rumored to be the top contender for the position is a "win now" coach. Heck, even Toroman was

It dosen't matter who your 11th or 12th man is in terms of winning now. other than being a distraction in the locker room and bench.

 

[durden_tyler2]

It dosen't matter who your 11th or 12th man is in terms of winning now. other than being a distraction in the locker room and bench.

Depends on the coach and the player actually. While one could be a distraction, he also could be the special weapon when worse comes to worst (Case in point, against Korea all the Filipino wings were in foul trouble that we had no choice but to put Barracael. The ending of that one hurt so bad that we don't need to recap that here.)

 

[analyzed2]

BTW on the point that Baracel and Japeth who played for 3 years only to be benched was a waste of time. What people have to realise is that the reason the Gilas main guys (Doulthit, Lassiter etc) were so effective in FIBA Asia is because they played in all these different tournaments (Doha, Jones cup, champs cup) learning the system. And in case you don't know, to participate in those tournament you need teamates ! at least 10 of them. So unless Baracel and company where there to participate and learn the system with Doulthit and company . Doulthit woul'nt have been that effective in FIBA asia.

Which brings me to this next version of Gilas II. Unless you have a team to participate (at least 10 players) in the different tournaments (champs cup, DOHA etc) don't expect Doulthit to just show up in FIBA asia together with the PBA reinforcements and expect to be effective as he was in Gilas I.

Bottom line you need that touring team of non- PBA players to gain the cohesivness and learn the system to be set-up way before you reinforce it with PBA players