SBP Long-term national team pool (vol. XII)

[donmar2]

with this stupid move by the PBA going back to the 3 conference format, do you think they will be again responsible in the formation of the national team for the ASIAD just like what they did before(MOA with the BAP)?

stupid act by the PBA in going back to the 3 conference format. Players playing carreer will lessen due to more number of games and also due to injuries.

Nope... BAP is extinct and if its still alive, an illegal organization.. so the old PBA-BAP MOA is not valid anymore... PBA must sign a new MOA with SBP...

 

[Phlegm Thrower2]

BAGUIO, NORWOOD, DAVID, HONTIVEROS and SOLOMON who's better to replace YAP?...

I'll go for Mac Mac Cardona, lets see if he can bring his ANGAS in international tournament, and of all our guards he has the best chance scoring against taller defenders, also he is playing for a MVP owned team.

 

[TrueBluePinoy2]

Poor choice of words by the former Commissioner.

But the PBA had already made an exit plan regarding its involvement in international basketball competitions. As a matter of fact, the league reverted to its original three-conference format starting its 36th season on October 3 and replace the existing two-conference, one season format.

“I believe the PBA had already made an exit plan, that’s why, the PBA which will now be headed by new commissioner Chito Salud, is now back to a three-conference format," said outgoing PBA commissioner Sonny Barrios.

 

[KevinDurant2]

Still, I'd give the PBA a passing grade. The Board just needs to finalize this, Taulava and Williams will be part of the team come the Asian Games.

A premier bball in the country cannot run away from the national team. It is the norm done in all the countries.

 

[nardy2]

don't you think the teams Vroman and El-Khatib playing for in Lebanese league don't pay them big bucks that they still want to play in their NT? or is it the attitude and sense of responsibility to carry one's flag on their chest and fight for their country's honor win or loss that motivates them to serve? or is it that our PRO players are just so afraid they don't want to play internationally because they might get injured and that's the end of their career.

If the reason is the last one, I can't blame them but there is what we call insurance. It is not being selfish if you don't wish to play without it. It is similar to not working for a hospital that doesn't offer medical insurance when the risk of getting sick is almost 99% of the time.

Vroman does not play in the Lebanese League as he plays as an import in Iran for Mahram. The Lebanese Federation pays Vroman to play for the Lebanese National Team.

 

[nardy2]

with this stupid move by the PBA going back to the 3 conference format, do you think they will be again responsible in the formation of the national team for the ASIAD just like what they did before(MOA with the BAP)?

stupid act by the PBA in going back to the 3 conference format. Players playing carreer will lessen due to more number of games and also due to injuries.

with regards to a business perspective, it was a wise move to go 3 conferences as it gives the member team's brands more exposure to the public. It also maximizes the amount they they pay the players. Unlike other leagues in other countries (except the NBA), our players are being paid monthly even if they are not playing. In Europe and other Asian countries the players are paid only during basketball season. We have to remember the box-office successes of the PBA in the past was during the 3 conference format. If we talk about money being invested wisely, the going back to the old format was a good move. Just hope in the future, they study on having an invitational during the 3rd conference but the invited teams should really be competitive.

You cannot say by going 3 conferences would lessen the career of a player, look at Jaworski, Hubalde, Patrimonio, Gonzalgo, etc they were veterans of 3 conference seasons actually you made me realize there are more players in recent years who are injury prone than in the past, Siegle, Tugade, Valenzuela, Ildefonso, Raymundo, etc Before players were playing for a long time even at the age of 40+ is a norm, now the likes of Olsen Racela or Nic Belasco is a rarity.

 

[manu_bol2]

if SBP really does it the right way, ideally, the NT won't need the PBA.

the PBA will just be a league of NT retirees.

simple as that.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

if SBP really does it the right way, ideally, the NT won't need the PBA.

the PBA will just be a league of NT retirees.

simple as that.

I had a similar plan. We could offer the current players of SG (assuming we succeed in 2011) a new contract and then invite the new faces in the NT. We can probably ask 4-5 players of SG to stay after 2012, while we add new players to the line-up. Perhaps this can solve our NT continuation problem.

For example, we retain the following players:

Japeth Aguilar
Jason Ballesteros
Marcus Douthit (if he gets naturalized)
Mac Baracael
Chris Tiu
Marcio Lassiter

Add the following:

Kiefer Ravena
Gian Chiu
Bobby Parks
Justin Chua
[Others]

On the head coach, I would definitely stick with a foreign coach.

 

[manu_bol2]

I had a similar plan. We could offer the current players of SG (assuming we succeed in 2011) a new contract and then invite the new faces in the NT. We can probably ask 4-5 players of SG to stay after 2012, while we add new players to the line-up. Perhaps this can solve our NT continuation problem.

For example, we retain the following players:

Japeth Aguilar
Jason Ballesteros
Marcus Douthit (if he gets naturalized)
Mac Baracael
Chris Tiu
Marcio Lassiter

Add the following:

Kiefer Ravena
Gian Chiu
Bobby Parks
Justin Chua
[Others]

On the head coach, I would definitely stick with a foreign coach.

in our future men's teams, no one will be over 25.

for example, exceptional NT players can play when they're 21, 23, and 25 (3 fiba asia tournaments).

over 25, its time for them to retire to the PBA or any league of their choice.

 

[KevinDurant2]

in our future men's teams, no one will be over 25.

for example, exceptional NT players can play when they're 21, 23, and 25 (3 fiba asia tournaments).

over 25, its time for them to retire to the PBA or any league of their choice.

But the peak age of a player is from 27 - 30..

 

[manu_bol2]

But the peak age of a player is from 27 - 30..

really? is there data for that? if so, then good for the PBA! bigay na lang natin yan sa PBA for not interferring with the NT anymore.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

The national teams of Serbia and Lithuania almost have no player above 25, yet they are able to compete with the best of the world. The latter even managed to finish undefeated in its group stage.

 

[myron202]

The national teams of Serbia and Lithuania almost have no player above 25, yet they are able to compete with the best of the world. The latter even managed to finish undefeated in its group stage.

They start playing competitive basketball earlier than the Filipinos. 25 years old in serbia is not equal to 25 years old in RP in terms of basketball age and maturity.

 

[the_BuGs2]

really? is there data for that? if so, then good for the PBA! bigay na lang natin yan sa PBA for not interferring with the NT anymore.

yes.. 27 - 30 are the peak...


interxavierxxx : in europe 16 to 18 are allowed to play pro..

 

[AlYuson2]

Many tall players in this country are often ignored and left to develop their game by themselves.

After Aquino and Feihl, we had a pair of 6'9 players in Canlas and de Ocampo and a 6'10 player in San Diego. Then came the 6'9" Samigue Eman who has a younger brother who stands 6'7. Just a few years ago, there was the 6'9 de Leon. Now, there's the 6'11 Jerico de Guzman.

In addition, our u16 team last year had to utilize 6'2 centers because the 6'6 Lunas and the 6'5 Caperal were not good enough. Where are they now? Are they even being developed? One whould even wonder what happened to that 6'4 14 yr old kid that was mentioned in coach Altamirano's Sept. 10 2008 article entitled "Ask Coach E: NBTC D-League groundwork". As for this year's u18 team, the 6'7 Pinat tried out but was cut because he lacked skills.

Something needs to be done so the height of these players will not go to waste. Just look at Fajardo, if Mon Fernandez did not devote time and was not patient enough to train him, I don't know if we'll even be aware of him.

Its simple, most of these guys got height but no talent..investing more to train and develop the skills of these taller guys just went to naught. They simply were not born to play excellent basketball.

 

[AlYuson2]

its not just height but also the strength specially the legs and arms thats important in selecting a center. a bull-strong 6'8" guy will box-out anytime a weak 7 footer.

Thats why Japeth is best at the small forward position to create mismatches against his smaller defender. in addition his thin body does not make him ideal guy for the center or power forward position. in contrast, look at 270 lbs Asi Taulava, he is only 6'9" , but he was able to hold his own against much taller but skinnier Asian centers.

from my experience guarding taller guys, a 4 or even 6 inch height difference is not a big deal as far as me pushing him out of his comfort zone as long as he is skinny and weak of course, it becomes a big problem is the guy is not only taller but also stronger, then the only realistic thing i can do is position myself between the ball and him , and hope his outstretched hands doesn't catch the overhead pass before your sundot(deflect), and/or double-team help from a teammate. other than that, just hack his shooting hand but that won't work in a real game as you'll foul out quickly.

the problem in all the philippine national teams is not only the height but the body strength of our centers and power forwards. Try reviewing the videos of gilas against foreign middle-east teams, and youll see the big difference in body size/strength. observe closely how skinny Japeth aguilar is compared to that star lebanese power forward(forgot his name). Thats why even though Angola is a short team, they are still competitive because even though they are about the same height as philippine teams specially the past powerade teams, they are strong

since japeth is skinny but athletic he is ideal for transition attacks, fastbreaks, pick and roll drives to the basket, etc but not for isolation power plays ala Shaq because he will just get pushed out.

Yes, japeth aguilar's height 6'7" (6'9" international standard) and body weight at 225 lbs. is ideal for small forward. Obviously, he would rather face the basket and attack transition offense. Scoring off the dribble should help if aguilar, fundamentally is a good ball handler and a decent outside shooting touch would make him a better player.

 

[TrueBluePinoy2]

Actually in the FIBA guide for NT formation, 27 yrs is already considered old in international standards and the recommendation is to have 2 or 3 players in that age area to reinforce the national team. The fatigue caused by playing 10 or more straight games is just too grueling for a player in his peak age.

 

[nardy2]

Actually in the FIBA guide for NT formation, 27 yrs is already considered old in international standards and the recommendation is to have 2 or 3 players in that age area to reinforce the national team. The fatigue caused by playing 10 or more straight games is just too grueling for a player in his peak age.

that is what is lacking in the SMART GILAS core line-up as they are of the same age being born 1985 and 1986. That is why Coach Rajko is moving for the inclusion of only 2-3 PBA players, said players could bring the veteran smarts and leadership needed in both the playing court and at the locker room.

That is why the Powerade Team Pilipinas was not considered as a threat by the other Asian Countries in the 2009 FIBA-Asia as the average age of that team was considered as too old in international basketball standards.

If you check the line-ups of the teams participating in the on-going FIBA World Championship in Turkey, you can notice the teams are tapping younger guys in place of the more popular superstar players that they have.

Look at the line-ups of some of the teams currently performing beautifully in said tournament:

Lithuania

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/team/p/eid/4728/rid//sid/4728/tid/2135/profile.html

Only Javtokas is over 30 years old. With 3 28 year olds.

USA

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/team/p/eid/4728/rid//sid/4728/tid/379/profile.html

Only Odom and Billups are over 30 years old. With 1 28 year old and 1 27 year old.

Serbia

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/team/p/eid/4728/rid//sid/4728/tid/96799/profile.html

Only Krstic and Savanovic are 27 years old.

Russia

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/team/p/eid/4728/rid//sid/4728/tid/381/profile.html

Only Khrbyapa is 28 years old. With 2 27 year olds.

Aside from Host Country Turkey which has 6 players that are 27 year old and older and Slovenia which has 8 players that are 27 year old or older, the other teams which stuck with their old players instead of going for youth are not performing as they were expected to be. Such teams fhave already absorbed losses that they are not expected to suffer, said countries are Spain, Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Croatia, Greece, Puerto Rico, France and the Asian teams China, Iran, Lebanon and Jordan. This early there are talks of infusing more of younger players in a team revamp that would happen to their teams after the competition is over at Turkey.

After years of scientific research the FIBA came out with the suggestion how each country should properly form their respective National Teams:

It is estimated that it would require 5 to 8 years for the development of full playing maturity in basketball, so they said the number of players on the National Team to be selected should be within that range. So a team of 15 players has to be consisted of the following:

3 players between 18-21 years of age,
10 players between 21-27 years of age, and
2 players older than 27 years old.

Young players are the game carriers. The competition experience of older players and the competition enthusiasm of the younger ones should be complementary.

The team should have at least three players who, owing to their playing and competitive qualities, can carry the game of the whole team, and at least 5 players who are capable of integrating themselves into the playing and technical/tactical concept of the team. The team must have at least 2 specialists, players specialized in specific technical/tactical skills and 5 promising players. One of the players should be a potential top player. The can hardly tolerate more than 2 players who do not fit the standard profile, for example, a player with the extra tendency to dominate or a player with a lack of competition toughness. The team cannot tolerate rivalry between two players.
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[manu_bol2]

let's not overanalyze, guys... i only suggested U-25s to be in the men's team so as not to subject these players to a tug-of-war between PBA and NT. i was showing that even a 25 year old can be veteran international campaigner if he starts early in the NT.

 

[nardy2]

I just shared what was in the FIBA Manual regarding its suggested National Team Program which they based on years of scientific study of the different National Teams since the FIBA was founded in 1932.

And also shared which teams have heeded the suggestions of FIBA and limited the number of players that are 27 years old and older and that they are performing well in the current World Championship as against teams that are loaded with veteran players that are considered old by FIBA (over 27 years of age) which are currently struggling.

The FIBA is actually moving to make the sport of basketball more exciting by having it more faster paced as they wished to increase its global popularity as against the dominance of Soccer Football worldwide.

But I do feel, we should maintain a National Team composed of players between 19 to 23 years of age like what the European and South Americans do. This particular team could very much represent the country at the South East Asia games or even the SEABA Qualifyers.

It is rare to have a 18 year old Ricky Rubio (Oct 21, 1990) who is ready to play at the highest level. But having players start playing internationally at the Under-13 year old and Under-16 year old level is a good exposure.