SBP and PBA NT program differences

[Alex072]

I think it's pretty Elementary to describe the differences between the two but let me point it out the positives and the negatives.These are their difference in my opinion:

PBA

Positives:

- they got the best talents in the land.Can and may pick from all the PBA players
- Financial needs are met (salaries,equipments,training etc.)
- they have tv coverage and ads to compliment their financial support.
- respect amongst fans and other Asian countries.(can be a double edge sword)
- the other Asian countries have no respect because of the all amateur lineup
- would be ideal for Marketing purposes because of the popular stars in the league.

Negatives:

- limited time in training.(they usually have 15-20 exhibition games max)
- Different calendar from Fiba Calendar (Fiba Calendar changes so it's confusing anyways)
- lack of scouting report and knowledge against their opponents are limited.(based on last year's powerade team)
- lack of appreciation and commitment serving the national team.
- has no clear program or continuity of the program.
- Usually plays with import with limited height thus, the NT is not used in playing bigger opponents.
- has no open mind whatsoever to hire a foreign coach or a naturalized player
- lineup is based on who is better for the coach had certain touch of politics(ie.Wynnie Arboleda)

SBP

Positives:

- continuity of the program from the grass roots
- totally focused on international meets
- can keep up with the Fiba schedules.
- has organized scouting reports from the head coach to the assistant coaches.
- has a clear cut program,supports the Senior,Junior and Women's team as well
- plays with bigger opponents to get used to their height.
- has an open mind to hire a foreign coach and a naturalized player
- Unfamiliarity of other Asian countries because of an all amateur lineup with not much TV exposure.(not as much as the PBA on prime time television)

Negatives:

- has limited financial resources
- has limited tv coverage so don't expect that everybody knows anything about Smart Gilas.
- has been limited to an all amateur lineup(maybe except Japeth)
- the lineup is also based on who the coach likes but has no taint of politics having used a foreign coach.
- Marketing is not that good because of unfamiliar amateur names.(excluding Tiu and Casio who has a Milo Ad)
- has limited choices in the lineup,can't pick from the schools supporting the now extinct BAP.(or should I say immortal)
-amateur players will eventually turn pro..in return the PBA will have difficulty lending it's players..the SBP will be forced to get an all amateur lineup in the long run

 

[ramzaruglia2]

As I read the difference of the PBA and SBP program, I can see it like comparing a P-51 Mustang to a F-86A Sabre. You really pointed the facts right on the bullseye, mate..

I wonder if Uto2x will reply towards this post

 

[weward2]

thanks for doing this thread. since there are lots of new forumers here,it might give them some "kaliwanagan"

 

[Red Baron2]

As I read the difference of the PBA and SBP program, I can see it like comparing a P-51 Mustang to a F-86A Sabre. You really pointed the facts right on the bullseye, mate..

I wonder if Uto2x will reply towards this post

Router Blade plane againts a jet engine plane....However P51-Mustang is the Greatest plane based on achivement... But if ill go for Jet engine Plane ill go with the F15-Eagle.

 

[sandking21232]

Router Blade plane againts a jet engine plane....However P51-Mustang is the Greatest plane based on achivement... But if ill go for Jet engine Plane ill go with the F15-Eagle.

Alright, now back to the topic!

 

[kaiziken_pinas2]

Router Blade plane againts a jet engine plane....However P51-Mustang is the Greatest plane based on achivement... But if ill go for Jet engine Plane ill go with the F15-Eagle.

the F-16 is a good bet as well.

 

[KobeWanKenobi2]

Basically I'm in agreement with most except for the following and all are from the negatives:

Negatives:

- has limited financial resources

The SBP doesn't have limited financial resources. MVP is bankrolling the team. In the PBA he's competing against SMC in getting the best players in the land while at the same time spending money for Smart Gilas. Basically, in the near future, we could see SMC (San Miguel, Ginebra and Purefoods) and TNT becoming the dominant teams.

- has limited tv coverage so don't expect that everybody knows anything about Smart Gilas.

There's a market for the National Coverage no matter whether its Smart Gilas representing or the PBA. Besides, the only advantage the PBA has on TV coverage is that they play more. But during the schedule of International Competitions, we will see Smart Gilas playing in tournaments that matter.

- has been limited to an all amateur lineup(maybe except Japeth)

Which isn't really a limit because Smart Gilas can get a player from anywhere except the PBA and have them play immediately. Heck, they can sign a Fil-Foreign 7'3" second coming of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and have him play tomorrow, something the PBA can't do.

In addition, these players in Smart Gilas, if Smart Gilas didn't exist, would have been the rookies of the PBA today. So just imagine long term. The future stars of the PBA are already playing in Smart Gilas and long-term, when they reach their peak, they're doing it for the country instead of a commercial team that's more interested in self advertising.

Here's an example, the NCC team of Ron Jacobs had Samboy, Caidic, Codinera and Calma. In addition, Jacobs was already eying Paras, Patrimonio and Lastimosa to join the team sometime in the future. If the NCC didn't disband, the PBA would not have acquired these stars. And the stars of the NCC would have been brighter than the PBA's should that have happened.

- the lineup is also based on who the coach likes but has no taint of politics having used a foreign coach.

A coach gets players who buy his system. An example is Allen Iverson, who was a former MVP and several time All NBA 1st team member. And yet he was bought out of his contract by the Detroit Pistons because his game didn't fit the team system. In fact, the trade of Billups for Iverson was a mistake for the Pistons because it brought down the record of the once mighty team.

- Marketing is not that good because of unfamiliar amateur names.(excluding Tiu and Casio who has a Milo Ad)

They're unfamiliar now. But if Smart Gilas becomes a success, they'll be familiar later on.

- has limited choices in the lineup,can't pick from the schools supporting the now extinct BAP.(or should I say immortal)
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Just slightly true. Once a player graduates, he can choose to go anywhere he wants. Besides, if Smart Gilas shows itself to be successful, players would be the ones lining up to join it, instead of SG begging players to join them.

 

[Alex072]

clarifications?

clarifications?

Basically I'm in agreement with most except for the following and all are from the negatives:



The SBP doesn't have limited financial resources. MVP is bankrolling the team. In the PBA he's competing against SMC in getting the best players in the land while at the same time spending money for Smart Gilas. Basically, in the near future, we could see SMC (San Miguel, Ginebra and Purefoods) and TNT becoming the dominant teams.

the Gilas team has no other financial support other than MVP,heck the government who should be supporting SBP as a legit Philippine basketball body hasn't even got a penny on the Gilas team.Unlike the PBA where you can get support from the mother teams and other corporate sponsors,Gilas has only one and that is Smart.It may not be too late for sponsors to come in though.

There's a market for the National Coverage no matter whether its Smart Gilas representing or the PBA. Besides, the only advantage the PBA has on TV coverage is that they play more. But during the schedule of International Competitions, we will see Smart Gilas playing in tournaments that matter.

Again,I'm basing my comparisons with the PBA.The PBA has BTV and Solar TV to boot.They show replays in the evening and Gilas has no full game coverage from any local tv network as of yet.That's why I'm wondering what's the deal with GMA all about? Oh yea,OFW's get to watch it.

Which isn't really a limit because Smart Gilas can get a player from anywhere except the PBA and have them play immediately. Heck, they can sign a Fil-Foreign 7'3" second coming of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and have him play tomorrow, something the PBA can't do.

you can sign as much naturalized players but you can only field one,heck if you find a four 7'3 fil-foreign guys who's got skills of at least Kareem Abdul Jabbar for smart Gilas right now I'm not going to post anymore.

In addition, these players in Smart Gilas, if Smart Gilas didn't exist, would have been the rookies of the PBA today. So just imagine long term. The future stars of the PBA are already playing in Smart Gilas and long-term, when they reach their peak, they're doing it for the country instead of a commercial team that's more interested in self advertising.

I think most of them would still be playing for their schools next year.I think Tiu and Casio has the only spare time because they're not going to their schools anymore.The Gilas boys are sure PBA draftees,you can even say sure PBA players but only time can tell if they are going to be stars in their own right.Again,let's not count the sheep yet.

Here's an example, the NCC team of Ron Jacobs had Samboy, Caidic, Codinera and Calma. In addition, Jacobs was already eying Paras, Patrimonio and Lastimosa to join the team sometime in the future. If the NCC didn't disband, the PBA would not have acquired these stars. And the stars of the NCC would have been brighter than the PBA's should that have happened.

NCC is totally different from Smart Gilas.We got lots of limitations! while in the NCC days,they have government support from the Marcos' and the NCC was being funded by a filthy rich Marcos crony and yes players wouldn't even bother to say no.

A coach gets players who buy his system. An example is Allen Iverson, who was a former MVP and several time All NBA 1st team member. And yet he was bought out of his contract by the Detroit Pistons because his game didn't fit the team system. In fact, the trade of Billups for Iverson was a mistake for the Pistons because it brought down the record of the once mighty team.

Coach Toro has got a system who is not specific to a certain player.Maybe I can say that his system is "ball hog unfriendly"

They're unfamiliar now. But if Smart Gilas becomes a success, they'll be familiar later on.

Again Let's not count sheep yet.

Just slightly true. Once a player graduates, he can choose to go anywhere he wants. Besides, if Smart Gilas shows itself to be successful, players would be the ones lining up to join it, instead of SG begging players to join them.

Like what I've said if it was only the Marcos era,players wouldn't even mind to say no.Junmar Fajardo,Paul Lee,Rico Meirhoffer would think twice before saying no to a Marcos crony..because saying no means hate and hate leads to suffering

 

[KobeWanKenobi2]

the Gilas team has no other financial support other than MVP,heck the government who should be supporting SBP as a legit Philippine basketball body hasn't even got a penny on the Gilas team.Unlike the PBA where you can get support from the mother teams and other corporate sponsors,Gilas has only one and that is Smart.It may not be too late for sponsors to come in though.

MVP = Smart/PLDT. Smart is the 4th biggest company in the Philippines, PLDT is the 7th.

Comparing MVP with Danding's companies, SMC is just 18th, Ginebra is 51, Purefoods is 94.

http://en.wikipilipinas.org/index.php?title=Top_100_corporations

MVP may not have the backing of a dictator, but money wise he has much more resources than Danding has now.

Look at the last time an All Pro team played. The main sponsor was Powerade which is basically Coke and with no other support from the other nine teams. Prior to that, the Chot Reyes team was sponsored by Selecta which meant the bankrolling of the NT came from another company and not from the 10 PBA teams of the time.

We get news reports of the PBA spending millions on the All pro teams? It was the money of the sponsor (Powerade and Selecta), not the PBA's. So the PBA basically funding a NT doesn't happen. What funds a PBA backed NT is a sponsor.

Again,I'm basing my comparisons with the PBA.The PBA has BTV and Solar TV to boot.They show replays in the evening and Gilas has no full game coverage from any local tv network as of yet.That's why I'm wondering what's the deal with GMA all about? Oh yea,OFW's get to watch it.

The deal between Smart Gilas and GMA was not about airing games but rather GMA covering Smart Gilas trip to Qatar. Covering a team by sending a reporter and a cameraman and do interviews is different from airing games. If people read the news properly they would have discerned the difference.

Second, sure the PBA has BTV and Solar, but doesn't mean anything if people aren't interested in watching. People only watch the games of the popular teams and less popular teams have basically little viewership.

Besides, historically, NT games are shown with the exception of times when the price of the TV coverage is too expensive to cover. So just because you don't see them everyday doesn't mean you won't see them when they compete.

you can sign as much naturalized players but you can only field one,heck if you find a four 7'3 fil-foreign guys who's got skills of at least Kareem Abdul Jabbar for smart Gilas right now I'm not going to post anymore.

The point about my example is that a PBA NT limits itself to PBA players. They won't bother going abroad and getting new players. They'll just dig into what they have and use it. They won't pay for another player coming in.

On the other hand, Smart Gilas has TWICE held tryouts in the US. They're also holding another tryout this February for a naturalized player and its possible they'll look at Fil-Ams playing in the US. The PBA can't do that. They might be backed by corporations but each corporation only thinks about itself and not others, and its the sponsor that pays for an All Pro team, not the 10 teams themselves.

I think most of them would still be playing for their schools next year.I think Tiu and Casio has the only spare time because they're not going to their schools anymore.The Gilas boys are sure PBA draftees,you can even say sure PBA players but only time can tell if they are going to be stars in their own right.Again,let's not count the sheep yet.

Aside from Tiu and Casio, Barroca is no longer affiliated with FEU. Same with Japeth Aguilar, Rabeh Al Hussaini (he wants to finish his course before joining Smart Gilas full time), Chris Lutz (will graduate from college and join SG this March), Marco Lassiter (has already graduated) just to name a few. That's at least seven players who are SG full time. I haven't checked on the others yet.

NCC is totally different from Smart Gilas.We got lots of limitations! while in the NCC days,they have government support from the Marcos' and the NCC was being funded by a filthy rich Marcos crony and yes players wouldn't even bother to say no.

As I've said above, MVP has deeper pockets than Danding because he owns bigger companies. Money talks.

But just to add, Danding only owns 25% of SMC. He controls SMC thru his allies who have investments in SMC.

Coach Toro has got a system who is not specific to a certain player.Maybe I can say that his system is "ball hog unfriendly"

I won't disagree on that one.

Again Let's not count sheep yet.

Let's not count the sheep yet. But basically what you're looking here is a trend. If the best amateurs remain amateurs, the PBA will sooner or later run out of talented players or its level of play will drop.

In the past, NCC got the best amateurs and only a trickle joined the PBA. If those best amateur remained with the NCC, do you think the PBA would have gotten Samboy, Caidic, Codinera and Calma? And with Jacobs wanting Paras, Patrimonio, and Jolas, imagine the PBA landscape without them.

A more recent example is the MBA. Would the PBA be as deep as it is now if MBA players like Adducul, Miller, Helterbrand, Pena didn't join the PBA or half of the draftees the past few years joined a hypothetical MBA that still exists.

Like what I've said if it was only the Marcos era,players wouldn't even mind to say no.Junmar Fajardo,Paul Lee,Rico Meirhoffer would think twice before saying no to a Marcos crony

This is a free country last I looked. Even though you look stupid turning your back on the National Team, you're still free to do so. Besides, Maierhoffer wouldn't be an asset to Smart Gilas because the reason why he wants to join the PBA is to be a star and not join the National cause.

 

[reamily2]

hehe chot reyes nt program(a version of pba nt) is a typical national team program, you choose a pool of players ask their availability, train them for months then we go. The problem is some of the pro players do not have much high level international game experience before they turn pro in their junior years (16-23) unlike their foreign counterparts, they become batchmates or so in their junior teams(ncc case, iran(kamrani,Bahrami bros.,(Haddadi and Jaber)),Argentina case, Leb case,China case in almost all european nt case). Unlike some guys in pba(not all who doesnt have any). Resulting that dribbling ala harlem globetrotters is a skill should a player have in fiba competitions. As proofDifferrentiate the 1990-1994 asian games to 2007-2009 games. in1990-1994 allan caidic, samboy lim led the team in that time, they have intl experience as advantage hence this teams trained for weeks while 2007-2009 trained for months okay competition is not same as before but maybe this factor has been the reason that we manage to place that high even though limited preparation. unlike before sbp come in almost all players do not want to play with junior nt's any more as they go straight to uaap or pba.

there,s the gilas or sbp supported team maybe almost same blueprint as ncc where you train and make a nt like a pro team(India NT do this, to some extent Iran(because almost all core nt players play for a single club team(then SABA battery now Mahram) resulting to dominating their domestic league), Qatar in Al Rayyan,Riyadi.

you be the judge as the first one is good if the players play with each other in their early years and the latter is hard to maintain but if you want to start something do the latter?

 

[Alex072]

answers

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MVP = Smart/PLDT. Smart is the 4th biggest company in the Philippines, PLDT is the 7th.

Comparing MVP with Danding's companies, SMC is just 18th, Ginebra is 51, Purefoods is 94.

http://en.wikipilipinas.org/index.php?title=Top_100_corporations

MVP may not have the backing of a dictator, but money wise he has much more resources than Danding has now.

Look at the last time an All Pro team played. The main sponsor was Powerade which is basically Coke and with no other support from the other nine teams. Prior to that, the Chot Reyes team was sponsored by Selecta which meant the bankrolling of the NT came from another company and not from the 10 PBA teams of the time.

We get news reports of the PBA spending millions on the All pro teams? It was the money of the sponsor (Powerade and Selecta), not the PBA's. So the PBA basically funding a NT doesn't happen. What funds a PBA backed NT is a sponsor.

I don't need to look up wikipedia to see how big the PLDT corporation is but what I'm saying is if you're the only one covering the budget of the national team the tendency is you allot a certain limit than the PBA who's budget is being allocated by the PBA board.This is one reason why IMO they kick out Eala in the first place because of his 200 M budget on the 2007 RP team and they would have to do that once again in 09 with their players not playing for their mother teams.200 M be a chicken feed if you have San Miguel,Smart,Red Bull and Sta.Lucia dividing the funds but if you're going to have to fund it yourself I'm sure you would be saying that it won't come cheap...And besides if Gilas has a bigger budget why would they have to give amateur players a lesser pay? If I were working on a bigger budget I would give them bigger salaries to lure big time players.

The deal between Smart Gilas and GMA was not about airing games but rather GMA covering Smart Gilas trip to Qatar. Covering a team by sending a reporter and a cameraman and do interviews is different from airing games. If people read the news properly they would have discerned the difference.

Second, sure the PBA has BTV and Solar, but doesn't mean anything if people aren't interested in watching. People only watch the games of the popular teams and less popular teams have basically little viewership.

Besides, historically, NT games are shown with the exception of times when the price of the TV coverage is too expensive to cover. So just because you don't see them everyday doesn't mean you won't see them when they compete.

we are not talking about people not watching the games,we are talking about the RP team's tv coverage..and as you said it your self GMA didn't cover the games but instead brought a camera and a reporter so I guess this is not a subject of debate.

The point about my example is that a PBA NT limits itself to PBA players. They won't bother going abroad and getting new players. They'll just dig into what they have and use it. They won't pay for another player coming in.

On the other hand, Smart Gilas has TWICE held tryouts in the US. They're also holding another tryout this February for a naturalized player and its possible they'll look at Fil-Ams playing in the US. The PBA can't do that. They might be backed by corporations but each corporation only thinks about itself and not others, and its the sponsor that pays for an All Pro team, not the 10 teams themselves.

I disagree,If you can remember,Chot Reyes went to the US to scout players and he did.That's why there is a Kelly Williams and Jay Washington who first made their debut not in the PBL but in a '05 PBA backed RP team exhibition game against Iran..too bad we were still suspended by FIBA back then thanks to the BAP.07 national team also features Gabe Norwood another one of Chot's find.Besides that,It's not as if you're going to find 5 Fil-foreigners to replace your Gilas starting five,so where is the unlimited players to that?

Aside from Tiu and Casio, Barroca is no longer affiliated with FEU. Same with Japeth Aguilar, Rabeh Al Hussaini (he wants to finish his course before joining Smart Gilas full time), Chris Lutz (will graduate from college and join SG this March), Marco Lassiter (has already graduated) just to name a few. That's at least seven players who are SG full time. I haven't checked on the others yet.

You can call them college graduates but you can't call them professionals.I don't know the ruling about this if the PRC or the games and amusement boards are concerned.But those guys must have to go to the draft before they are called professionals.

Let's not count the sheep yet. But basically what you're looking here is a trend. If the best amateurs remain amateurs, the PBA will sooner or later run out of talented players or its level of play will drop.

In the past, NCC got the best amateurs and only a trickle joined the PBA. If those best amateur remained with the NCC, do you think the PBA would have gotten Samboy, Caidic, Codinera and Calma? And with Jacobs wanting Paras, Patrimonio, and Jolas, imagine the PBA landscape without them.

A more recent example is the MBA. Would the PBA be as deep as it is now if MBA players like Adducul, Miller, Helterbrand, Pena didn't join the PBA or half of the draftees the past few years joined a hypothetical MBA that still exists.


This is a free country last I looked. Even though you look stupid turning your back on the National Team, you're still free to do so. Besides, Maierhoffer wouldn't be an asset to Smart Gilas because the reason why he wants to join the PBA is to be a star and not join the National cause.

What kind of trend is having a national team full of amateur players? I'm not against it though but you have it the other way around.You can even ask our good friend my dtfernando about this that the other countries have introduced professional players since the FIBA's decision of letting the Pro players play in 1989 (now you can look that up in wikipedia).

Another thing,the MBA has nothing to do with this but anyways I'd give you a fact about the MBA.The MBA was formed to compete with the PBA but instead they were eaten alive by the old league.Why they were eaten by the big league is because despite the support from the provincial teams?because the PBA has better pay players like Danny Ildefonso chose to play in the PBA.After that some players followed like Willie Miller etc..etc..Now the Gilas players are being given reasonable salaries by the Smart management but sooner or later they would want to have a better salary and nobody could stop that.

It's not the Gilas team who is taking players from the PBA,but it's the other way around. Would you think that these boys will enter the PBA when they reach their 30's? I don't think so.Now if they are going to enter the PBA is there an assurance that the PBA will lend them to the national team? Now that's a question only the PBA and commissioner taga Barrios could answer.

 

[KevinDurant2]

The SBP doesn't have limited financial resources. MVP is bankrolling the team. In the PBA he's competing against SMC in getting the best players in the land while at the same time spending money for Smart Gilas. Basically, in the near future, we could see SMC (San Miguel, Ginebra and Purefoods) and TNT becoming the dominant teams.

I agree with this. That's why I am wondering why some here insist that the SBP cannot match the player's contracts come 2012. MVP can at least own 2 teams in the PBA. He'll let go of BK (as a part owner) next conference meaning he can concentrate on TNT and Gilas exclusively. He has all the resources to keep the best amateurs from going to the PBA.

 

[KevinDurant2]

What kind of trend is having a national team full of amateur players?

as of now they are not all amateurs. The Gilas Four have already graduated. Add to that Lutz, Aguilar among others. Some only rate them as amateurs because they haven't joined the PBA yet. But in reality we do have 1st year pros playing for Gilas right now.

 

[KevinDurant2]

the smart gilas program is in a constant peril of losing its best players to the PBA. There's not really much you can do if, say, baracael opts to play for the PBA after the Asiad. things like this can always happen.

Leave that to MVP. And be sure to use Smart sim and load

But seriously, I think they have studied these kind of situations even before Gilas was formed. The SBP should provide them a good offer come 2012. We don't want them to be sucked up by the not so NT friendly Philippine Basketball Association.

 

[Alex072]

and I don't think Lassiter and Lutz main objective is to join the national team..Well maybe but their ultimate destination is to get to the pro ranks..there goes your unlimited number of choices

 

[Alex072]

Leave that to MVP. And be sure to use Smart sim and load

But seriously, I think they have studied these kind of situations even before Gilas was formed. The SBP should provide them a good offer come 2012. We don't want them to be sucked up by the not so NT friendly Philippine Basketball Association.

to have a better basketball federation (SBP) the professional league should help them out..that's what i'm trying to say here. Guiao said "ultimately they will ask favors to the PBA and the PBA must not turn it's back on them"..It's logic! sooner or later the Smart Gilas team will lose their players to the PBA and the PBA shouldn't impose anything against borrowing players.If the PBA will continue to disregard the national cause,eventually we're going back to the slumps and still be the laughing stock of Asian basketball.

 

[KobeWanKenobi2]

I don't need to look up wikipedia to see how big the PLDT corporation is but what I'm saying is if you're the only one covering the budget of the national team the tendency is you allot a certain limit than the PBA who's budget is being allocated by the PBA board.This is one reason why IMO they kick out Eala in the first place because of his 200 M budget on the 2007 RP team and they would have to do that once again in 09 with their players not playing for their mother teams.

Eala wasn't kicked out because of the budget. He was kicked out on the premise that losing his license as a lawyer due to immorality made him incapable of doing his job. But the real reason is the fact that there was a perceived bias on him in favor of San Miguel teams because he approved seemingly lopsided trades. In fact, when a survey was held on whether to kick him out or not was held, only the San Miguel board members voted to keep him.

I disagree,If you can remember,Chot Reyes went to the US to scout players and he did.That's why there is a Kelly Williams and Jay Washington who first made their debut not in the PBL but in a Philippine team exhibition game against Iran.07 national team also features Gabe Norwood another one of Chot's find.Besides that,It's not as if you're going to find 5 Fil-foreigners to replace your Gilas starting five,so where is the unlimited players to that?

That's the Reyes era which also coincided with the Eala era. That was the era when the PBA was 100% committed to helping the Philippine team.

Its the era now of Sonny Barrios who has to ask the board for approval everytime something crops up. he's not a commissioner, he's a puppet of the majority of the PBA board who wants nothing to do with helping the national team.

What kind of trend is having a national team full of amateur players? I'm not against it though but you have it the other way around.You can even ask our good friend my dtfernando about this that the other countries have introduced professional players since the FIBA's decision of letting the Pro players play in 1989 (now you can look that up in wikipedia).

The best scenario is still to send the best players which means the pros. However the PBA is no longer committed because of the self serving interest of the majority and thus the SBP has to create the next best thing which is to form a team of the best amateurs.

Remember, all the best players in the PBA will eventually grow old. Who will replace them? The best amateur players in the land.

But if you choke off the source and prevent the best players in the amateurs from joining the PBA, eventually over time, the best players will no longer belong in the PBA but instead with the National Team.

Remember, while the best amateurs right now are not as good as the current pros individually, by exposing them to higher level of competition, they will get better.

Take the case of the former NCC players. Some of them were head and shoulders better than any player before and after them. Samboy is arguably the best shooting guard the country produced. Allan Caidic is arguably the best shooting forward the country produced. Hector Calma is among the top five best point guards of all time along. Codinera is among the best centers of all time.

When they joined the PBA, they were already competitive against the pros because of their overseas exposure. So competitive that they changed the landscape of the PBA when they joined.

That's the same training the players of Smart Gilas will get. Sure it will take longer because they're still not at their mental and phsyical peak (27 to 32 years old), but they'll get there.

Another thing,the MBA has nothing to do with this but anyways I'd give you a fact about the MBA.The MBA was formed to compete with the PBA but instead they were eaten alive by the old league.Why they were eaten by the big league is because despite the support from the provincial teams?because the PBA has better pay players like Danny Ildefonso chose to play in the PBA.After that some players followed like Willie Miller etc..etc..Now the Gilas players are being given reasonable salaries by the Smart management but sooner or later they would want to have a better salary and nobody could stop that.

In its first year, the MBA was actually competitive against the PBA because it was being partially subsidized by ABS-CBN. Half of the amateurs of the land were being taken by the MBA because the salaries the MBA gave were the same amount the PBA gave. Adducul in fact was offered what the PBA's maximum salary was at the time P500,000 per month. The problem here is that the companies supporting the MBA became unable to support the salaries due to travel costs plus the abandonment of ABS-CBN,.

In the case of the players of Smart Gilas, the players are given a first year salary equivalent in range to the PBA Rookie contract. The second and third years of the contracts are also similar to the maximum salaries given to second and third year players of the PBA.

However, what they give Smart Gilas players are considered to be allowances (in order to keep their amateur status). That means, no tax. If you're earning P100,000 per month on a PBA rookie contract, only P70,000 per month remain after taxes and other deductions. Compare that with Smart Gilas players who take home the entire P100,000 per month amount.

It's not the Gilas team who is taking players from the PBA,but it's the other way around. Would you think that these boys will enter the PBA when they reach their 30's? I don't think so.Now if they are going to enter the PBA is there an assurance that the PBA will lend them to the national team? Now that's a question only the PBA and commissioner taga Barrios could answer.

If they're successful playing for the NT, why would they need to join the PBA? They'll just continue playing for flag and still be paid.

And I beg to disagree that the PBA is taking players away from Gilas. Only Rico Maierhoffer and Jervy Cruz refused an invite from Smart Gilas. The rest, Tiu, Barroca, Baracael, Aguilar, Casio are a few of the PBA eligible players who instead joined Smart Gilas.

Smart Gilas can use the NCAA, UAAP, NAASCU, etc as its pool to tap on. Plus, Fil-Ams can directly play with Smart Gilas while if they want to join the PBA, they have to play a minimum of 20 games in a local league before they can apply for the draft. So Smart Gilas can pool more players, and hoard more players immediately and keep them for its own.

Fact remains, as long as Barrios remain commissioner and the selfish majority reign in the PBA board, no pro will ever play for the NT.

 

[c_d2]

The SBP should provide them a good offer come 2012. We don't want them to be sucked up by the not so NT friendly Philippine Basketball Association.

If the merger between the PBL and the Liga happens, i'm hoping it will be start of a Philippine Superleague where we can tap and develop talents for the NT pool and not a d-league for developing basketball entertainers.

 

[Alex072]

SBP-PBA having competition is no secret

SBP-PBA having competition is no secret

If they're successful playing for the NT, why would they need to join the PBA? They'll just continue playing for flag and still be paid.

And I beg to disagree that the PBA is taking players away from Gilas. Only Rico Maierhoffer and Jervy Cruz refused an invite from Smart Gilas. The rest, Tiu, Barroca, Baracael, Aguilar, Casio are a few of the PBA eligible players who instead joined Smart Gilas.

Smart Gilas can use the NCAA, UAAP, NAASCU, etc as its pool to tap on. Plus, Fil-Ams can directly play with Smart Gilas while if they want to join the PBA, they have to play a minimum of 20 games in a local league before they can apply for the draft. So Smart Gilas can pool more players, and hoard more players immediately and keep them for its own.

Fact remains, as long as Barrios remain commissioner and the selfish majority reign in the PBA board, no pro will ever play for the NT.

I would love to answer this just to get it over with...they are payed with rookie salaries..I think that's about it.Nobody wants to be a superstar and get a rookie salary all their life.Even so that would be a rare case.If you are about to choose 150k to 300k a month you'll surely choose the larger amount.But that's not the case with Gilas,they offer what they could offer and it's understandable.If you want to live on a fairy tale world that the PBA and the SBP isn't having competition then you can do that.It's a free country anyway but in reality sooner or later they will cancel each other out and I don't think the SBP is going to win it.If MVP decides not to push through with the program after 2012..then patay kang NT ka...SBP should look for another savior and it's not going to be easy..that's why the support of the pro league is necessary.

 

[KobeWanKenobi2]

the smart gilas program is in a constant peril of losing its best players to the PBA. There's not really much you can do if, say, baracael opts to play for the PBA after the Asiad. things like this can always happen. as pointed out by alex, pba still offers the better pay so the temptation is always there. and with the way PBA is treating SBP right now, i dont think it's got national pride first on its list.
by the way, F15's and F16's are overrated and they dont even have a cool movie tucked under their wings. the best multi-role fighter for me is the f-14 tom-katie, as popularized in the movie top gun.

The PBA has a max salary cap for players. P100K per month for first year, P150K for second year, P225K for third year. P337K of fourth year. Only on your fifth year can you earn the max salary of P350K per month.

Chris Tiu was given a P5.4M contract by Smart Gilas for three years. And that contract can be extended.

On the other hand, a three year PBA rookie contract amounts to P5.7M. However here's the difference: What Tiu receives is considered an allowance (tax free), while in the PBA, P5.7M is only worth P3.99M after taxes. That's a cool P1.41M more cold hard cash for Tiu to use by staying with SG compared with playing for a PBA team.