SBP Long-term national team pool (vol. IX)

[tiffac2]

For me heart or "Puso" is the drive to fight-on despite the odds with the willingness to sacrifice everything. Having self-confidence that you can do it ..... Just look at Powerade .... in the Qatar game, they lost the drive to play as they do not have the heart after being demoralized by the loss to Jordan in the Quarterfinals. Everybody there at Tianjin were saying we are the more talented team and we have the tools to be among Asia's top teams but they could not understand for one whole game the Powerade players did not play to win but just played the motions of the game against the Qataris. They were there to play but the desire to win was not there.

That's why its not overrated coz its the spark plug, the gas of every player to achieve to take their talent and skill to the next level. You can have all the skills, all the money and all the system but without heart all of it means nothing.

Its like having a car without a key. Your example of the Powerade team vs Qatar is prime example of talent losing heart. So in games, heart is important, without it a team/player(s) will have no drive, no composure and no wins.

Just like in normal life, if you have no heart to study you fail, if you have no heart to work you don't make money. Everything starts with heart big or small.

 

[Tsar Josef2]

but due to the factor of our FIBA Suspension, the long-term preparation planned by Coach Chot Reyes was disrupted and he was forced to cram in the end .... so even though player familiarity among the team members was ok, Chot making all possible team plays both offensively and defensively and having all the players in-sync did not fully happen so a number of times, the players had to freelance and do more one-on-one plays in offense. Chot was actually envisioning that the San Miguel-RP team be able to simulate the patterns of the Argentine National Team but he run out of time when we played at Tokushima.

I thought the same way about the composition of the team and had a high hopes until the drawing of lots for the grouping that basically doomed the RP team. 2007 RP team was way better than 2009.

 

[neo2]

gee whiz so many people here are still preoccupied with "heart"

people won't have a full agreement about it as it is use as a methapor. and as a figure of speech , it is open to several interpretations.

for me, i'd rather use the term WILL.

Ika nga ni jarencio nung una sia pumasok sa smb as an assistant - kelangang gustuhin mo manalo para manalo- (trans-coach jarencio has a strong resemblance with the self-proclaimed national nose of the philippines).

 

[manu_bol2]

the egyptian coach was complementing our mobility and defense na nga eh. toroman was also acknowledging riyadi's experience in switching to zone defense in the dying seconds of the game. he also keeps mentioning that other teams in dubai have nba-calibre talents.

if the opponent wins, toroman always has something to say about the other team's talent/chemistry/ability. if we win, it's always because we are more motivated.

tayo 'pag nanalo, puso. puso ang nagpanalo.

can't the pinoy, even for just a game, be superior in terms of skills as what gilas players have shown in dubai? wasn't it obvious that gilas was the quickest, most creative team in dubai.

i never heard toroman say we won because we are a quicker team. or we won because our players made the adjustments at the right time. or we won because our outside shooting has dramatically improved.

it's always 'puso'. we invoke it all the time. it becomes gasgas, overrated.

i'd rather be acknowledged as someone who is very good at something rather than someone who just wants it more.

this is the last time i'll talk about this.

 

[Alex072]

heart=will to win=better cardio

heart=will to win=better cardio

I'd refer heart as cardio.I guess we got better cardio than the other guys It's like comparing Z gorres to the Hawaiian punch Villoria...Gorres was willing to win and made it through the 12 rounds even though he got knocked at the later stages,Villoria on the other hand was more willing to sleep that night than his opponent,plus his opponent has better cardio too

 

[elcian2]

Let's just be patient

Let's just be patient

First of all, let's not be all rash in wanting to get a PBA player. Yes, they are really good, but it's really not up to them to make the decision, but the PBA BOARD. On the issue that they aren't voicing out their desire to play for the national team, ask yourselves. Would they exchange their "superstar" and "celebrity" life to play with a bunch of guys they don't know and who they feel are "inferior" to them or their team mates in PBA? It's hard. If you asked me, I'm all for getting Williams, Norwood, Dillineger, Asi or who ever is a great fit to the team but we have to live with the reality that there's a big chance it might not happen. If there's one thing about businessmen (owners of PBA teams), is that they will always prioritize money first than being a patriot.

On the issue on Smart Gilas players being too young and therefore might be schooled next year in the FIBA ASIA qualifiers by men. You make a good point dtfernando, but I don't agree wholeheartedly with what you're trying to imply. Let me give you one good example of that "might" not being true.

This past Eurobasket tournament, Serbia was a team that was composed of mainly college aged players. I remember my brother telling me there average age was 21.5? Correct me if I'm wrong. This team went on to win the Silver medal, beating a lot of "experienced" teams composed of "men." Now I know Filipinos aren't Euros who have bigger bodies and are taller, but remember, we have 1 and a half year of preparation ahead of us. I just think it's a little presumptuous of you to be assuming that they might be schooled. 1 and a half year is long and a lot of improvement can be made (even if that applies to other countries). It's time we start believing how talented we really are. Enough undermining of Filipino's abilities. We can be better than Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, Japan, Korea, China. We have to keep believing that.

What I am trying to say is, let's wait and see. That's what all these games they will be playing are for. They'll lose a lot for sure, but they'll grow. These are kids that are willing to sacrifice to become better players. I'm sure their eyes have already been opened to world basketball. They now know how good the level of competition is outside of the Philippines and the PBA. They want to get better. That's what I believe in. And although they might not be the best players as of the moment, I'm praying and constantly believing they will be the best TEAM come FIBA ASIA 2011. Just my 2 cents worth

 

[nardy2]

the egyptian coach was complementing our mobility and defense na nga eh. toroman was also acknowledging riyadi's experience in switching to zone defense in the dying seconds of the game. he also keeps mentioning that other teams in dubai have nba-calibre talents.

if the opponent wins, toroman always has something to say about the other teams talent/chemistry/ability. if we win, it's always because we are more motivated.

tayo 'pag nanalo, puso. puso ang nagpanalo.

can't the pinoy, even for just a game, be superior in terms of skills as what gilas players have shown in dubai? isn't it obvious that gilas was the quickest, most creative team in dubai.

i never heard toroman say we won because we are a quicker team. or we won because our players made the adjustments at the right time. or we won because our outside shooting has dramatically improved.

it's always 'puso'. we invoke it all the time. it becomes gasgas, overrated.

i'd rather be acknowledged as someone who is very good at something rather than someone who just wants it more.

this is the last time i'll talk about this.

for me whatever .... as long as the positive results comes out thats good enough for me. May it be "Puso", our quickness, our versatility, our outside shooting accuracy ..... what's more important we are now again getting RESPECT internationally.

for me its no problem if Toroman keeps on saying we win because the boys are really motivated, as long as he is helping the team get better and assist everyone to get to their full potential. Our Actions on court speak louder than words.

 

[manu_bol2]

First of all, let's not be all rash in wanting to get a PBA player. Yes, they are really good, but it's really not up to them to make the decision, but the PBA BOARD. On the issue that they aren't voicing out their desire to play for the national team, ask yourselves. Would they exchange their "superstar" and "celebrity" life to play with a bunch of guys they don't know and who they feel are "inferior" to them or their team mates in PBA? It's hard. If you asked me, I'm all for getting Williams, Norwood, Dillineger, Asi or who ever is a great fit to the team but we have to live with the reality that there's a big chance it might not happen. If there's one thing about businessmen (owners of PBA teams), is that they will always prioritize money first than being a patriot.

On the issue on Smart Gilas players being too young and therefore might be schooled next year in the FIBA ASIA qualifiers by men. You make a good point dtfernando, but I don't agree wholeheartedly with what you're trying to imply. Let me give you one good example of that "might" not being true.

This past Eurobasket tournament, Serbia was a team that was composed of mainly college aged players (22-24). I remember my brother telling me there average age was 24? Correct me if I'm wrong. This team went on to win the Silver medal, beating a lot of "experienced" teams composed of "men." Now I know Filipinos aren't Euros who have bigger bodies and are taller, but remember, we have 1 and a half year of preparation ahead of us. I just think it's a little presumptuous of you to be assuming that they might be schooled. 1 and a half year is long and a lot of improvement can be made (even if that applies to other countries).

What I am trying to say is, let's wait and see. That's what all these games they will be playing are for. They'll lose a lot for sure, but they'll grow. These are kids that are willing to sacrifice to become better players. I'm sure their eyes have already been opened to world basketball. They now know how good the level of competition is outside of the Philippines and the PBA. They want to get better. That's what I believe in. And although they might not be the best layers as of the moment, I'm praying and constantly believing they will be the best TEAM come FIBA ASIA 2011. Just my 2 cents worth

age is actually not a factor. but the length of experience playing the international brand of game is.

but then again, you can say taulava has more international experience than any big man in the country.

 

[Alex072]

dedication + sacrifice= respect

dedication + sacrifice= respect

I'm just thankful this kids are young enough and I'm sure they will complete this grueling basketball tour.If a PBA player would get invited I'm sure he will complain about how grueling the tour is.It's like 2 games short of an NBA regular season,and these guys aren't getting paid half of what an NBA rookie is getting paid(correct me if i am wrong).Yet those kids are willing to risk everything even their playing careers on the line.Two intangibles that I doubt the others can provide that's dedication and sacrifice if you have these plus skill and height you are deserving to wear that Pilipinas jersey.I like PBA stars on the lineup but I doubt that any PBA player at this time would do the same sacrifice the Gilas boys are doing.Like what I've said before i'll support this national team no matter what and the third intangible that is respect is what they are getting from me.

 

[kmlabrador992]

Eurobasket 2009 Semi Finals Serbia VS Slovenia. What a great game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdnK-C9ubWo

 

[the_BuGs2]

I'm just thankful this kids are young enough and I'm sure they will complete this grueling basketball tour.If a PBA player would get invited I'm sure he will complain about how grueling the tour is.It's like 2 games short of an NBA regular season,and these guys aren't getting paid half of what an NBA rookie is getting paid(correct me if i am wrong).Yet those kids are willing to risk everything even their playing careers on the line.Two intangibles that I doubt the others can provide that's dedication and sacrifice if you have these plus skill and height you are deserving to wear that Pilipinas jersey.I like PBA stars on the lineup but I doubt that any PBA player at this time would do the same sacrifice the Gilas boys are doing.Like what I've said before i'll support this national team no matter what and the third intangible that is respect is what they are getting from me.

yeah.. as per marlou aquino "magkano ba allowance namin dyan?" trans: "So, How much will be our allowance?"

 

[dtfernando2]

Pinoys Being Incrediby Wrong About Serbians...

Pinoys Being Incrediby Wrong About Serbians...

First of all, let's not be all rash in wanting to get a PBA player. Yes, they are really good, but it's really not up to them to make the decision, but the PBA BOARD. On the issue that they aren't voicing out their desire to play for the national team, ask yourselves. Would they exchange their "superstar" and "celebrity" life to play with a bunch of guys they don't know and who they feel are "inferior" to them or their team mates in PBA? It's hard. If you asked me, I'm all for getting Williams, Norwood, Dillineger, Asi or who ever is a great fit to the team but we have to live with the reality that there's a big chance it might not happen. If there's one thing about businessmen (owners of PBA teams), is that they will always prioritize money first than being a patriot.

On the issue on Smart Gilas players being too young and therefore might be schooled next year in the FIBA ASIA qualifiers by men. You make a good point dtfernando, but I don't agree wholeheartedly with what you're trying to imply. Let me give you one good example of that "might" not being true.

This past Eurobasket tournament, Serbia was a team that was composed of mainly college aged players. I remember my brother telling me there average age was 21.5? Correct me if I'm wrong. This team went on to win the Silver medal, beating a lot of "experienced" teams composed of "men." Now I know Filipinos aren't Euros who have bigger bodies and are taller, but remember, we have 1 and a half year of preparation ahead of us. I just think it's a little presumptuous of you to be assuming that they might be schooled. 1 and a half year is long and a lot of improvement can be made (even if that applies to other countries). It's time we start believing how talented we really are. Enough undermining of Filipino's abilities. We can be better than Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, Japan, Korea, China. We have to keep believing that.

What I am trying to say is, let's wait and see. That's what all these games they will be playing are for. They'll lose a lot for sure, but they'll grow. These are kids that are willing to sacrifice to become better players. I'm sure their eyes have already been opened to world basketball. They now know how good the level of competition is outside of the Philippines and the PBA. They want to get better. That's what I believe in. And although they might not be the best players as of the moment, I'm praying and constantly believing they will be the best TEAM come FIBA ASIA 2011. Just my 2 cents worth

Nice try at persuasion. But completely wrong in logic and facts. First what kind of Serbians are we talking about???? The following lineup is a typical Serbian national team today -- very tall frontline, and very experienced as INTERNATIONAL professionals. THEY ARE NOT LIKE SMART GILAS AT ALL!!! Don't fool yourself into believing that the kind of Smart Gilas players you have can take down this kind of team EVEN AT THE SAME AGE GROUP. The Serbians have obvious international championship caliber players even at the U16/U17 levels.

4 Bojan Popovic 190-G-83 Lietuvos Rytas Vilnius Lithuania
5 Milenko Tepic 198-G-87 Panathinaikos Athens Greece
6 Milos Teodosic 195-G-87 Olympiakos S.F.P. Pireus Greece
7 Ivan Paunic 194-G-87 Base Oostende Belgium
8 Nemanja Bjelica 209-F/C-88 KK Crvena Zvezda Beograd Serbia
9 Stefan Markovic 194-G-88 KK Hemofarm Stada Vrsac Serbia
10 Uros Tripkovic 196-G-86 DKV Joventut Badalona Spain
11 Miroslav Raduljica 213-C-88 FMP Zeleznik Beograd Serbia
12 Nenad Krstic 214-C-83 Oklahoma City Thunder USA
13 Kosta Perovic 217-C-85 Valencia B.C. Spain
14 Novica Velickovic 205-F-86 Real Madrid Spain
15 Milan Macvan 205-F/C-89 KK Hemofarm Stada Vrsac Serbia

By the way, I have travelled around the Dinaric mountain area and have played against the gigantic Slavs in the area. They are naturally very tall. What we call centers in height all started as guards when playing with their huge kuyas, and are very mobile compared to our PBA forwards. Seeing Slavs in their natural environment gives you an excellent idea of what you're dealing with. You think Pinoys love basketball???? I don't believe the Serbs, Slovenians, Spanish and Iranians love basketball less after seeing them in their hometowns. I think they love basketball even more than Pinoys.

Without a large collection of NBA African-American super-athlete-freaks like Lebron, Kobe, Dwayne -- who also happen to be complete defenders-scorers as well -- the USA national team would be doomed against this kind of team. This is why their all-amateur teams were annihilated by national teams of other nations.

Consider Pinoys who are naturally very small, and the sports basketball -- that is played by mostly naturally very tall populations. And you want me to put faith in your faith alone??? Our selection base for players is so small, that it's not even worth comparing it to others. Something like 80 percent of guys standing 2 meters and taller play very good basketball in Serbia. Pinoys don't even have enough 2 meter tall players to match one-fourth of Serbia's.

A lot of forumers here have never had the opportunity of playing against teams from other nations in their homeland. You wouldn't be so sanguine about the chances of the Smart Gilas team -- which is certainly a raw team with the bigs not yet playing at national let alone international levels of skill and quickness -- if you actually have seen them play in their natural best.

It is nice to believe in miracles; but working hard to prepare oneself for one is an even better alternative.

 

[neo2]

at least if gilas play in 2011 without pba reinforcements and fail, an ever loyal believer of filipino's place in the basketball world could always say that we could have done better if a pba player or 2 was with the team .

never underestimate the power of denial and rationalization

 

[Bonifacio2]

at least if gilas play in 2011 without pba reinforcements and fail, an ever loyal believer of filipino's place in the basketball world could always say that we could have done better if a pba player or 2 was with the team .

never underestimate the power of denial and rationalization

On the flipside,,,if we fail with 2 pba players...some would say that we could have done better if we played without PBA players. =)

 

[manu_bol2]

On the flipside,,,if we fail with 2 pba players...some would say that we could have done better if we played without PBA players. =)

nope, if toroman chose those 2 players, then hes to blame

 

[ogre2]

On the flipside,,,if we fail with 2 pba players...some would say that we could have done better if we played without PBA players. =)

heheh, parang palaging may balat sa puwet ang PBA players.

Trans: luck also plays a big factor...

 

[dtfernando2]

A Legitimate Basis for Hope

A Legitimate Basis for Hope

There is no need for forumers to look forward to some miraculous wins by Smart Gilas. This is getting the program all wrong.

Smart Gilas is the correct effort -- the only correct one so far -- for rebuilding a tradition of wins. Small wins are accumulated until a modest number of big wins happen. The PBA got it all so wrong, and started a tradition of mediocrity by coming up with short training periods, haphazard offensive and defensive patterns, force-fitted superstars that will never blend, and egotistical coaches. Just because the PBA got it all wrong, doesn't mean that it cannot mend its ways, or that Smart Gilas is immune to catastrophic blunders too.

Concurrent with building a winning tradition is rebuilding the confidence of our guard corps to play internationally as they would naturally play locally -- Pinoy guards even in the hinterlands of Cebu and Davao already exceed Asian standards at their natural level; we just have to get the shootingest, strongest, smartest, and most dependable of the lot.

Thereafter, the bigs -- power forwards and centers -- have to be rebooted to run, spin quickly and shoot as well as our local guards. This latter task is something that everyone in this forum knows is hardest, as we don't have a tradition of tall players playing basketball as well as the shorties JUST LIKE THE SERBIANS AND SLOVENIANS. Third the skills are synthesized with basic offensive and defensive patterns that are known to work very well. This is similar to playing well grounded lines of offenses and defenses (Ruy Lopez, Sicilian Defense, Slav formation) in chess.

In other words, by the simple act of playing strong and proven basic offensive and defensive lines alone, the Philippines' Smart Gilas team would be a very difficult team to beat. That by itself is a worthwhile goal anytime.

Lastly, the team should not make the chemistry problem worse than it should be. We are all in the same pathetic boat as far as international basketball is concerned, and superstar-wannabes/pretendees have no place in that scheme of things. If anyone, including the forumers here are called to play for the national team, it shouldn't matter who our teammates are; we after all are just there in the national team to dismantle other national teams, and not ours.

 

[TrueBluePinoy2]

There is no need for forumers to look forward to some miraculous wins by Smart Gilas. This is getting the program all wrong.

Smart Gilas is the correct effort -- the only correct one so far -- for rebuilding a tradition of wins. Small wins are accumulated until a modest number of big wins happen. The PBA got it all so wrong, and started a tradition of mediocrity by coming up with short training periods, haphazard offensive and defensive patterns, force-fitted superstars that will never blend, and egotistical coaches. Just because the PBA got it all wrong, doesn't mean that it cannot mend its ways, or that Smart Gilas is immune to catastrophic blunders too.

Concurrent with building a winning tradition is rebuilding the confidence of our guard corps to play internationally as they would naturally play locally -- Pinoy guards even in the hinterlands of Cebu and Davao already exceed Asian standards at their natural level; we just have to get the shootingest, strongest, smartest, and most dependable of the lot.

Thereafter, the bigs -- power forwards and centers -- have to be rebooted to run, spin quickly and shoot as well as our local guards. This latter task is something that everyone in this forum knows is hardest, as we don't have a tradition of tall players playing basketball as well as the shorties JUST LIKE THE SERBIANS AND SLOVENIANS. Third the skills are synthesized with basic offensive and defensive patterns that are known to work very well. This is similar to playing well grounded lines of offenses and defenses (Ruy Lopez, Sicilian Defense, Slav formation) in chess.

In other words, by the simple act of playing strong and proven basic offensive and defensive lines alone, the Philippines' Smart Gilas team would be a very difficult team to beat. That by itself is a worthwhile goal anytime.

Lastly, the team should not make the chemistry problem worse than it should be. We are all in the same pathetic boat as far as international basketball is concerned, and superstar-wannabes/pretendees have no place in that scheme of things. If anyone, including the forumers here are called to play for the national team, it shouldn't matter who our teammates are; we after all are just there in the national team to dismantle other national teams, and not ours.

In other words:

Walang chambahan, puro pinaghirapan.


Trans:

All games are hard-earned

 

[yakso2]

“Yes, we have the RP Smart Gilas team. But I believe the best players in our country are still in the PBA and, for sure, the national federation would keep coming back, knocking on the PBA’s door,” said Guiao.

getting players from the PBA would only prove him RIGHT.

Not all, they might be best in PBA but not internationally. On the otherhand Kalbs might be right. This is only if the national program and grassroot projects will be abandon. Which we don't want to happen.

 

[yakso2]

then I think such trade scenario would not be fair for the Talk N Text team if they would loose quality players first to trading PBA team then the player(s) are also lost to SMART GILAS, thus affecting the team's competiveness in the PBA. I would not be surprised if other stockholders of the PLDT conglomerate would question the viability of the TNT team once loss-after-loss happens especially it is very expensive in maintaining a PBA team.

We also have to remember that TNT also has a responsibility to the paying public and most importantly to their fans to have a competitive team.

And if ever the PBA teams would be asking for financial considerations or concessions, that would greatly affect the limited budget of the team and we have to remember MVP's pocket is not bottomless and he has been helping other sports plus other charity actions.

Then lets knock on door of the other MVP

Manny Villar (for President)......