Olympiakos 2008-2009

[Khalid802]

Yes, $21m/year. For doing nothing.

So why would he come in Greece for less and have to work for his money too? He doesn't look like the basketball enthusiast that will do it for the love of the game to me.

As for the player, maybe somebody that was playing in Panionios a couple of years ago?

Even though Marbury is getting shitloads of $$ he's obviously not happy doing nothing. He was so bored and really wanted to play b-ball to the extent that he went to his previous high school to practice with the kids there

 

[KWSN-Men2]

Are you talking about Arslan ? I hope not actually. I prefer Vujanic for example...

Vujanic imho is overrated, even between PAO fans.

Great talent, great mentality but his legs can't help him anymore.

And yes, I meant Arslan.

 

[Minotavros2]

When will Sloukas, who is a bigger prospect than Teodosic get playing time?

 

[T.W.Is.M.2]

When will Sloukas, who is a bigger prospect than Teodosic get playing time?

He just has to do whatever all of us the fans r doing. Patience!!!
I hope Sloukas gets a chance, my opinion is that he isn' ready 4 this level yet, but I hope at least he gets some time in less difficult matches.

 

[Turkish Airlines Euroleague2]

He just has to do whatever all of us the fans r doing. Patience!!!
I hope Sloukas gets a chance, my opinion is that he isn' ready 4 this level yet, but I hope at least he gets some time in less difficult matches.

I agree. Especially in SEF, as he did against Egaleo (and he was great for an actual debut).

 

[Minotavros2]

He just has to do whatever all of us the fans r doing. Patience!!!
I hope Sloukas gets a chance, my opinion is that he isn' ready 4 this level yet, but I hope at least he gets some time in less difficult matches.

Teodosic isn't ready either, but he he has been getting plenty of playing time for almost two years now. And he will already turn 22 this year. (He is only one year younger than Nikola Pekovic)

Why doesn't the Oly staff give Sloukas the same chances that Teodosic has been getting??
Afterall Sloukas has much bigger upside (than Teodosic).

It's kind of annoying seeing a less talented foreigner getting better treatment than a talented greek.

Sloukas career is in danger if he will be out of game action for 2-3 years at his age. The most crucial years for a players career are 18-22. It's in those years that you make the biggest steps forward.

 

[KWSN-Men2]

Teodosic isn't ready either, but he he has been getting plenty of playing time for almost two years now. And he will already turn 22 this year. (He is only one year younger than Nikola Pekovic)

Why doesn't the Oly staff give Sloukas the same chances that Teodosic has been getting??
Afterall Sloukas has much bigger upside (than Teodosic).

It's kind of annoying seeing a less talented foreigner getting better treatment than a talented greek.

Sloukas career is in danger if he will be out of game action for 2-3 years at his age. The most crucial years for a players career are 18-22. It's in those years that you make the biggest steps forward.

Do you want to know why?

Because signing Teodosic was presented as a big win over PAO and Olympiakos' president went public saying "you will be the best PG in Europe" when he had first signed.

All this in not true for Sloukas, so he is eaten by the black darkness as we say here...

PS: I trully believe that if Sloukas was over 1,96 he could become a top level PG, on Diamantidis-Papaloukas level. Now I really don't kno9w how much he can develop all around.

PS2: Teodosic is talented, to question about that. But honestly, when he was rumoured to be close to PAO and I saw him playing with the Serbian NT, I thought "looks good for his age, but I don't like his face". He is honestly not looking like a very clever person to me. And I am not saying this because he is playing in Olympiakos, I can say the same for 2 PAO players as well.

 

[Minotavros2]

You don't have to be 1.96 or 2.00 like Papaloukas to become a top level international point guard. Both Diamantidis and Papaloukas are unusually tall point guards.

As far as Teodosic he has talent, but his upside is very limited. People (especially foreigners) complain that Papaloukas is slow, but, compared to Teodosic he is Usain Bolt.
Teodosic has to be the slowest player in Euroleague.

 

[KWSN-Men2]

You don't have to be 1.96 or 2.00 like Papaloukas to become a top level international point guard. Both Diamantidis and Papaloukas are unusually tall point guards.

As far as Teodosic he has talent, but his upside is very limited. People (especially foreigners) complain that Papaloukas is slow, but, compared to Teodosic he is Usain Bolt.
Teodosic has to be the slowest player in Euroleague.

I didn't say that you have to be 2m tall to be a PG. But his style is not like McIntire, he is more like Diamantidis for example. But lacks the length to be similar.

 

[mvblair2]

What the V-Span are you talking about ?

I miss him.

Why are you so sure that this transfer is not going to happen ? Ok I know there are some real difficulties in "Starbury's" matter, but Knicks really want to get rid of his huge contract, and Marbury itself is willing to hear Olympiakos offer. (which will be huge I'm sure).

A big problem is that Marbury doesn't have an agent, who would normally do those negotiations. Now Marbury is doing those negotiations based on rumors. Do you think he can do that? I don't.

But....the Knicks want to get rid of him and they will negotiate with any team that talks to them. In a way, the Knicks have become Marbury's agent, because now they could be trying to send him to Olympiacos.

I guess I just don't think that Olympiacos will be able to pay for his salary for the rest of the year. I mean, he's making $20 million this year, and the Knicks only want to pay $2 million towards a "buyout." Is Olympiacos really going to give $18 million to a questionable player for half a year?

Maybe Olympiacos can convince the Knicks to eat more of that money, but I don't think so. James Dolan, the Knicks owner, isn't very smart. But he is smarter than the Brothers Angelpolos.

 

[KWSN-Men2]

I miss him.

He is still around

 

[Minotavros2]

I didn't say that you have to be 2m tall to be a PG. But his style is not like McIntire, he is more like Diamantidis for example. But lacks the length to be similar.

In what way is he like Diamantidis?

 

[KWSN-Men2]

In what way is he like Diamantidis?

He is doing other things than scoring, when playing against players his age anyway. And he will not seem so good in top level, because the things he does good, he will not be able to do so much anymore.

 

[mvblair2]

He is still around

Yes, he lives forever in our hearts.

 

[Turkish Airlines Euroleague2]

Yes, he lives forever in our hearts.

Well he's litteraly around...

 

[mvblair2]

The New York Daily News says the deal is off.

Olympiakos Eyeing Euro Veteran, No Marbury -- New York Daily News, January 23, 2009, by MITCH LAWRENCE

The Greek team that has been linked to Stephon Marbury actually is in the market for a player with extensive European experience, not one who has spent his entire career in the NBA.

Owners of Athens-based Olympiakos, which is looking for a replacement for ex-Hawks forward Josh Childress, who is out for up to two months with a sports hernia injury, told Greek and American-based agents yesterday that they want to sign a combination guard who has played in Europe.

Along those lines, Olympiakos Thursday rejected an overture from veteran guard and free agent Troy Hudson, formerly with Golden State, Minnesota and several other NBA teams, based on his lack of European playing experience. That would be just one of the obstacles preventing Marbury from going to Olympiakos, whose owners are nonetheless said to be thrilled that their team has been mentioned in the U.S. media as a potential destination for the exiled Knick.

But all talk about Marbury continuing his career, in the NBA or Europe, is academic, at this point. That the Knicks are not close to reaching a buyout with Marbury and are said to be looking to hold onto him through the Feb.19 trading deadline are the biggest obstacles that remain.

Hypothetically, Olympiakos, one of the wealthier European teams, could afford to give Marbury a lucrative deal and attempt to reach a settlement with the Knicks, since Childress' three-year deal is netting him $20 million. But then Marbury would have to go play in Greece. He has told at least one media outlet that he would be willing to listen. While he has talked about playing in Europe after his NBA career is over, he said as recently as last Friday that his goal is still to play in the NBA this season.

"I want to play someplace where I'm going to win," Marbury said in Los Angeles during the Lakers-Magic game. "I'm talking about playing with a team that everyone is on the same page."

Among the teams that could be interested in Marbury are Boston, Miami and Phoenix.

Knicks president Donnie Walsh insists the team is still willing to negotiate a buyout, but Marbury reiterated that he would give back only $1 million and not the $3 million the Knicks are seeking.

Walsh remains optimistic that he'll be able trade Marbury. If the Knicks can't find a team to take Marbury off their hands over the next month, they can keep him inactive for the remainder of the season or they can release him. In the last scenario, his release after March 1 would make him ineligible for the playoffs.

But ESPN says the deal is still in negotiation:

Sources: Next Move is Marbury's - January 22, 2009, ESPN, Chris Sheridan

The flirtation between Stephon Marbury and the Greek club Olympiacos remained just that Thursday, the courtship between the two moving along slowly as each side apparently waited for the other to make the next phone call.

Olympiacos has already reached out to the New York Knicks, who are waiting to hear from Marbury's representatives whether he is serious about joining the Greek league powerhouse.

If Marbury is -- and if Olympiacos is serious about going after the exiled Knicks point guard -- the next step would be for the three sides to come to a financial agreement that would settle several issues:

• The terms of Marbury's buyout
• The terms of Marbury's Olympiacos contract
• The terms of any compensation the Knicks might seek in order to release Marbury from his contract

A source close to Olympiacos told ESPN.com that club officials met late into Thursday night in Athens to discuss their pursuit of Marbury. Questions were raised regarding Marbury's character and whether he would be a poor locker room influence on a team sitting atop the Greek League standings at 14-1, one game ahead of 13-2 rival Panathiniakos.

Olympiacos is looking for a player who can play both guard positions after recently losing former NBA player Josh Childress to a sports hernia injury. Childress told Slam Magazine's Lang Whitaker he will be out 3-4 weeks.

Olympiacos was also said to be eager to fill the roster spot within a week to 10 days, which made it somewhat more curious that the club did not reach out to Marbury's representatives Thursday after the Knicks provided them with his contact information.

One Knicks insider speculated that the Greek club was already testing Marbury, seeing whether he would be proactive in reaching out.

"I will listen to what they have to say," Marbury told the New York Post in an e-mail. Marbury did not return a message left on his cell phone by ESPN.com. "I will never close the door that has not been opened."

One major factor could be the different levels of urgency time wise between the Knicks and Olympiacos.

Knicks president Donnie Walsh is holding out hope that Marbury's expiring contract can be turned into an asset through a deal prior to the Feb. 19 trade deadline, but Olympiacos is not willing to wait four or five weeks.

...The report in Thursday's New York Post in which Marbury was quoted also cited anonymous Greek media reports saying Olympiacos was willing to spend as much as $15 million to acquire Marbury.

But a source told ESPN.com the actual amount Olympiacos owner Panagiotis Angelopoulos was willing to spend was a fraction of that amount...

Who knows which story is true?

I think I believe the ESPN story. Olympiacos would be stupid to turn down a great player (like Hudson) because they haven't played overseas. That would be just as stupid as an NBA team not signing a great player because they hadn't played in the NBA. Of course, Olympiacos is getting ready for a rough ride in the EL, so maybe they want somebody who will adjust quickly.

 

[KWSN-Men2]

I believe that it is more likely that they will not sign anybody. And if they do, it will not be a big name.

 

[Phantim3dx2]

to the greeks who are diehard fans across the pond, i wish you the best of luck with marbury, bec as a person who is poor as hell and only plays fantasy basketball i sure as hell in real life wouldnt sign starbury even if he treated me to rap video ho's