2008 PBA Draft Prospects

[b3lowzro2]

I hope Gabe Norwood would just play overseas ( if the PBA does not want him in the league, then I hope he can find a league that will let him play)

The guy already played for the national team, what more do they want from him??!!!!

a DOJ clearance like every fil am

 

[Lebron232]

a DOJ clearance like every fil am

Is RJ Jazul going to apply in the 2008 PBA Draft? I think he is already PBA Material, and if the Letran Knights are going to win the 2008 NCAA Championship. I think he needs to make up his mind by playing in the PBA because it's good to start your PBA Career, when you're in your early 20's.

He's only 22 yrs.old, and I think he can be a potential lottery pick in the Draft.

 

[bolabasket2]

Sol Mercado reportedly had secured all documents for the Draft...Rob Reyes also qualified as a natural born local and not Fil-Am because his father was still RP citizen at time of his birth.

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The way Chino was talking, Fil-Am Gabe Norwood, who has returned to the United States, would be no big loss to the PBL, if and when he decides not to come back.

“But I have a feeling he will return, because where else will he go?

“He’s too small for the European leagues or Australia’s NBL and as of the moment, playing in the PBA is out of the question, because of the rules imposed by the PBA itself on Fil-Ams.”

I didn’t ask but I presumed that one of the rules is that one of the Fil-Am’s parents must be a Filipino citizen at the time the cager was born.

Chino said Norwood’s parents were American citizens at the time of his birth. It was only his grandfather on his mother’s side who was a Filipino citizen then.

According to Chino, only a presidential order will enable Norwood to play in the PBA.

 

[thadzonline2]

Sol Mercado reportedly had secured all documents for the Draft...Rob Reyes also qualified as a natural born local and not Fil-Am because his father was still RP citizen at time of his birth.

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The way Chino was talking, Fil-Am Gabe Norwood, who has returned to the United States, would be no big loss to the PBL, if and when he decides not to come back.

“But I have a feeling he will return, because where else will he go?

“He’s too small for the European leagues or Australia’s NBL and as of the moment, playing in the PBA is out of the question, because of the rules imposed by the PBA itself on Fil-Ams.”

I didn’t ask but I presumed that one of the rules is that one of the Fil-Am’s parents must be a Filipino citizen at the time the cager was born.

Chino said Norwood’s parents were American citizens at the time of his birth. It was only his grandfather on his mother’s side who was a Filipino citizen then.

According to Chino, only a presidential order will enable Norwood to play in the PBA.

that makes him a naturalized Filipino and considered a naturalized player in his stint with the RP team. I reckon under the PBA rules, naturalized citizens can only play as imports?

 

[Alex072]

New hope for Gabe Norwood

New hope for Gabe Norwood

Top rookie prospect Gabe Norwood had just gotten a new found hope in his bid to make the Philippine Basketball Association Annual Draft.

Commissioner Renauld “Sonny' Barrios extended the deadline for Fil-foreign players to complete all the necessary requirements
for them to be considered in the final list of candidates for the August 31 event set at Market Market Place in Taguig.

From its original July 8 deadline, Barrios gave the seven Fil-foreign aspirants until July 25 to present at least photo copies of all the
documents and papers required of them. The documents, he added, serve as prerequisites for all foreign-bred players wishing to make it to the PBA Draft.

Norwood and six other Fil-foreign players already signified their intention to join the draft by submitting their respective applications
prior to the July 8 deadline, although none among them we’re able to complete the requirements imposed by the league.

The former George Mason University stalwart and PBL Rookie of the Year while playing for Hapee still has to secure an approval
from the Department Justice regarding his Filipino citizenship.

“The papers that we are requiring them to submit serve as sort of their passport to become candidates for the annual draft,' said Barrios,
who added that no less than the PBA Board of Governors reiterated the same policy in its last meeting held July 14.

Barrios, however, said that authenticated and original copies of those documents must be turned over to the league by noon of August 29.

Certificate of Recognition from the Bureau of Immigration, DoJ affirmation, authenticated birth certificate from the National Statistics Office
(if applicant is born in the country), authenticated birth certificate of Filipino parent or other valid documents acceptable to the appropriate
agency, marriage certificate of parents, duly notarized and/or authenticated naturalization papers of Filipino parents, duly notarized affidavits
of at least three persons residing in the Philippines attesting to the claim of citizenship of applicant, and all other documents which the
PBA Commissioner may require are some of the documents the league require all Fil-foreign hopefuls.

Any of the Fil-foreign applicants who fail to complete the requirement by July 25 will be considered out of the list according to Barrios.

The complete list of Fil-foreign aspirants also includes, Kevin Delafu, Jared Dillinger (196-G/F-84, college: Air Force), Robert Baltch Reyes,
Solomon Mercado, Christopher Viardo, and Charles Waters.

SOURCE: GMANews.TV and asia-basket.com click here

 

[thadzonline2]

Top rookie prospect Gabe Norwood had just gotten a new found hope in his bid to make the Philippine Basketball Association Annual Draft.

Commissioner Renauld “Sonny' Barrios extended the deadline for Fil-foreign players to complete all the necessary requirements
for them to be considered in the final list of candidates for the August 31 event set at Market Market Place in Taguig.

From its original July 8 deadline, Barrios gave the seven Fil-foreign aspirants until July 25 to present at least photo copies of all the
documents and papers required of them. The documents, he added, serve as prerequisites for all foreign-bred players wishing to make it to the PBA Draft.

Norwood and six other Fil-foreign players already signified their intention to join the draft by submitting their respective applications
prior to the July 8 deadline, although none among them we’re able to complete the requirements imposed by the league.

The former George Mason University stalwart and PBL Rookie of the Year while playing for Hapee still has to secure an approval
from the Department Justice regarding his Filipino citizenship.

“The papers that we are requiring them to submit serve as sort of their passport to become candidates for the annual draft,' said Barrios,
who added that no less than the PBA Board of Governors reiterated the same policy in its last meeting held July 14.

Barrios, however, said that authenticated and original copies of those documents must be turned over to the league by noon of August 29.

Certificate of Recognition from the Bureau of Immigration, DoJ affirmation, authenticated birth certificate from the National Statistics Office
(if applicant is born in the country), authenticated birth certificate of Filipino parent or other valid documents acceptable to the appropriate
agency, marriage certificate of parents, duly notarized and/or authenticated naturalization papers of Filipino parents, duly notarized affidavits
of at least three persons residing in the Philippines attesting to the claim of citizenship of applicant, and all other documents which the
PBA Commissioner may require are some of the documents the league require all Fil-foreign hopefuls.

Any of the Fil-foreign applicants who fail to complete the requirement by July 25 will be considered out of the list according to Barrios.

The complete list of Fil-foreign aspirants also includes, Kevin Delafu, Jared Dillinger (196-G/F-84, college: Air Force), Robert Baltch Reyes,
Solomon Mercado, Christopher Viardo, and Charles Waters.

SOURCE: GMANews.TV and asia-basket.com click here

the only hope for Gabe is a special order, it is already very clear that he is not a natural born Filipino, thus he can only play ala Alex Crisano, meaning as a naturalized citizen because no matter how long the PBA extends it's deadline, he wont be able to comply anyway if indeed neither of his parents were Philippine citizens at the time of his birth. I think before we post, we should read about our laws. Let's just accept the fact that Norwood really aint a natural born Pinoy because ancestry doesnt necessarily mean you have citizenship

 

[rhk1112]

* 2008 PBA Rookie Draft aspirants as of Tue., July 21, 2008 are:
1) T.Y. Tang (PG, 5'9", DLSU)*
2) Mark Borboran (C-PF, 6'4", UE)*
3) Jeff Chan (SG-SF, 6'2")
4) Jonathan Fernandez (SG-SF, 6'2")
5) Cholo Villanueva (SG, 5'10")
6) Kelvin Gregorio (C-PF, 6'4")
7) Solomon Mercado (6'0", SG)*
8) Rob Reyes (6'4", F)*
9) Jared Dillinger (6'3", SG)*
10) Gabe Norwood (6'4", PG)*
11) Kevin Dalafu (?, ?)
12) Christopher Viardo (5'11", SG)
13) Charles Waters (?, ?)
14) Jason Castro (5'8", PG)*

* There are supposed to be 18 draftees, but I can only identify 14. Gad knows who those other 4 are.

* This year's draft are kinda shallow, since most of the local college stars stayed away from it. Lots of unknowns, or projected role players.

* I put an asterisk (*) on projected players I feel are worth drafting, and there are only 7 by my count.

* Some of those unknowns could pull a surprise, though. Then again, they might not. I don't expect a lot of players to be drafted, most will likely end up in the free agent market.

 

[Alex072]

the only hope for Gabe is a special order, it is already very clear that he is not a natural born Filipino, thus he can only play ala Alex Crisano, meaning as a naturalized citizen because no matter how long the PBA extends it's deadline, he wont be able to comply anyway if indeed neither of his parents were Philippine citizens at the time of his birth. I think before we post, we should read about our laws. Let's just accept the fact that Norwood really aint a natural born Pinoy because ancestry doesnt necessarily mean you have citizenship

authenticated birth certificate of Filipino parent or other valid documents acceptable to the appropriate
agency, marriage certificate of parents, duly notarized and/or authenticated naturalization papers of Filipino parents, duly notarized affidavits
of at least three persons residing in the Philippines attesting to the claim of citizenship of applicant, and all other documents which the
PBA Commissioner may require are some of the documents the league require all Fil-foreign hopefuls.

I'm not a lawyer or if I do read the Philippine laws,but if he has kins here that could attest that they are connected to Mr.Norwood by lineage (in that case his gradmom).I do read my post Mr Thadz and I believe that Mr.Norwood has a chance to play in the PBA.He's just have to get a good lawyer who does read and understand the Philippine law very well.

 

[thadzonline2]

I'm not a lawyer or if I do read the Philippine laws,but if he has kins here that could attest that they are connected to Mr.Norwood by lineage (in that case his gradmom).I do read my post Mr Thadz and I believe that Mr.Norwood has a chance to play in the PBA.He's just have to get a good lawyer who does read and understand the Philippine law very well.

dude, witnesses only go as far as the documents can prove. Sure he can prove his lineage, I dont think there is a problem with that, but technically, under Philippine laws, he is not a citizen unless we come up with another magical twist by way of the BID, the DOJ who scamper at the smell of moolah, then in that case I have reason to believe. It doesnt take a lawyer to understand the layman's text in our constitution or the dual citizenship law if only we read them.

 

[Alex072]

dude, witnesses only go as far as the documents can prove. Sure he can prove his lineage, I dont think there is a problem with that, but technically, under Philippine laws, he is not a citizen unless we come up with another magical twist by way of the BID, the DOJ who scamper at the smell of moolah, then in that case I have reason to believe. It doesnt take a lawyer to understand the layman's text in our constitution or the dual citizenship law if only we read them.

I'm not Mr.Norwood's lawyer or plan to be one.But I just think that it makes sense that he could get some of his relative's documents..birth certificates..etc..(if his claims are true) that would connect them to his grandmother afterall he is 1/4 Pinoy(again,if his claims are true).

 

[b3lowzro2]

I'm not Mr.Norwood's lawyer or plan to be one.But I just think that it makes sense that he could get some of his relative's documents..birth certificates..etc..(if his claims are true) that would connect them to his grandmother afterall he is 1/4 Pinoy(again,if his claims are true).

you dont get the rules man, the rules states that his folks should be a pinoy before mr. norwood's conception before the DOJ can issue a clearance. It has nothing to do with his grandmom who's a full blooded filipino. Last resort would be imitate what Alex Crisano did and i think he must learn tagalog for him to have more advantage in that case.

 

[bolabasket2]

you dont get the rules man, the rules states that his folks should be a pinoy before mr. norwood's conception before the DOJ can issue a clearance. It has nothing to do with his grandmom who's a full blooded filipino. Last resort would be imitate what Alex Crisano did and i think he must learn tagalog for him to have more advantage in that case.

suggest Gabe date Ethel Booba

 

[thadzonline2]

I'm not Mr.Norwood's lawyer or plan to be one.But I just think that it makes sense that he could get some of his relative's documents..birth certificates..etc..(if his claims are true) that would connect them to his grandmother afterall he is 1/4 Pinoy(again,if his claims are true).

I'm not saying you should be his lawyer. I think nobody is arguing whether he is making false claims about his Filipino lineage. He indeed is 1/4 Pinoy, no problem with that. The problem he has pertains to technicalities. The law says for him to become Filipino he mus satisfy either of the following conditions:

a. One of his parents must be Filipino at the time of his birth(not conception as bolabasket mentioned); or

b. One of his parents must have reacquired his/her Filipino citizenship before he was 18 years old.

Other than those two conditions, he either become a naturalized citizen(which I believe he is after he obtained his Philippine passport en route to the Tokushima wars) or do some magic at the BID/DOJ

 

[C2Hamm2]

I posted this link in the other thread, but here it is again. please do read -> LINK

it covers natural born Filipinos, Dual Citizenship, and Naturalization.

 

[RayV2]

This year's draft is too shallow and weak... especially if Norwood nor Dillinger would not make it... This draft for me, is going to be as deep as the 10th pick at most... most teams will just probably pass up on the others... tsk tsk...

 

[bolabasket2]

I posted this link in the other thread, but here it is again. please do read -> LINK

it covers natural born Filipinos, Dual Citizenship, and Naturalization.

yeah, and I'm wondering about Mick Pennisi's qualifications....I assume his mother is Filipina?

 

[C2Hamm2]

yeah, and I'm wondering about Mick Pennisi's qualifications....I assume his mother is Filipina?

i dont know either. there isnt anything in his physical features that makes him Filipino or part Filipino.

 

[Lebron232]

i dont know either. there isnt anything in his physical features that makes him Filipino or part Filipino.

I don't think Mike Pennissi is part Filipino, but his wife is a Filipina. As far as i remember his younger brother David Pennissi hold a dual citizenship ( Italian and Australian).

OLD Article about the Fil-Sham Case in the 2004 PBA Season.

Things are getting worse for half-tongan half-filipino Paulasi Taulava (206-C-73, college: BYU-Hawaii) because of his dual passport. He has been suspended by the Philipines Basketball Association (PBA) for his dubious citizenship. The Bureau of Immigration is ready to deport 5 others players for the same problem in the so-called "Fil-Sham" case.

Eight professional PBA players allegedely fakes their citizenship papers to justify playing in the Philipines lucrative league. Two of them -Andy Siegle and Dorian Pena- were cleared by the Justice Departement. The deportation process started for 5 players including Michael Pennisi (203-F-75, college: E.Michigan). Michael's brother David Pennisi (208-C-78) is australian and he was playing in the australian NBL last year, he's now playing in Italy. Asi Paulava's case is still up in the air.

His lawyers thought their managed to prove Asi's filipino's roots but the US Department of Homeland Security informed the Bureau of Immigration that Taulava and his mother Pauline are permanent residents of the USA. Official records from the US agency showed that Pauline Taulava was born Pauline Mateeaki on July 13, 1946 in Vaotu'u Tongatapu, Tonga. Her father and mother were also natives of Tonga. For the Court, this is the proof that she faked her birth certificate to make it appear that she was born in Samar, Philipines, and that she and her son have filipino roots.

Asi Taulava's lawyers were able to obtain an injuction with the Manilla Regional Trial Court to stop the Bureau from start deportation proceedings against him. The Bureau is now trying to lift this injuction.

PBA comissioner Noli Eala suspended Asi Taulava for an undefined time despite the fact that Asi is allowed to play because of the Court injuction. The players filed a P1.2-million damage suit against the PBA commissioner.
We hope that Paulasi Taulava's situation will be cleared as soon as possible and we are looking forward to see him again on the basketball court. In Philipines or everywhere else.

http://www.australiabasket.com/TGA/TGA.asp?NewsNo=15

 

[thadzonline2]

yeah, and I'm wondering about Mick Pennisi's qualifications....I assume his mother is Filipina?

i dunno but aren't you also wondering about Taulava and some other cases?

 

[bolabasket2]

i dunno but aren't you also wondering about Taulava and some other cases?

In Taulava's case, he assserts his mother is Pinay. In Pennisi, his wife?