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What's the real score? real measurements

does fiba measure all players prior to a tournament? i ask this because in the last fiba-asia, fiba showed Alapag's height as 5'11" and Taulava was shown as 6'10" or 6'11" (forgot about fiba's exact measurement of Taulava) :D

In the last Fiba-Asia Alapag was 5'10",Taulava and Pennisi 6'11", Williams 6'8",Hontiveros 6'2",Caguioa and Helterbrand 6'1".
 
This was their heights in the last Fiba-Asia:

4Mark Anthony
CAGUIOA G 182cm
6'0" 19/11/1979 USA
(PHI) -
5 Daniel Charles
SEIGLE C 201cm
6'7" 14/06/1976 USA
(USA) -
6 Jim
ALAPAG G 155cm
5'10" 30/12/1977 USA
(USA) -
7 Donaldo
HONTIVEROS G 188cm
6'2" 01/06/1977 Philippines
(PHI) -
8 Pauliasi
TAULAVA C 210cm
6'11" 02/03/1973 Tonga
(TGA) -
9 Kelly
WILLIAMS C 204cm
6'8" 07/02/1982 USA
(USA) -
10 Gabriel Daniel
NORWOOD F 198cm
6'6" 09/02/1985 US
(USA) -
11 Michael
PENNISI C 210cm
6'11" 13/03/1975 Australia
(AUS) -
12 Kerby
RAYMUNDO F 201cm
6'7" 19/01/1981 Philippines
(PHI) -
13 Anthony
HELTERBRAND G 182cm
6'0" 14/10/1976 Philippines
(PHI) -
14 Florendo
RITUALO JR. G 182cm
6'0" 14/06/1979 Philippines
(PHI) -
15 Eric Conrad
MENK F 201cm
6'7" 24/08/1974 USA
(USA) -

Average height: 193cm/6'4"
 
This was their heights in the last Fiba-Asia:

4Mark Anthony
CAGUIOA G 182cm
6'0" 19/11/1979 USA
(PHI) -
5 Daniel Charles
SEIGLE C 201cm
6'7" 14/06/1976 USA
(USA) -
6 Jim
ALAPAG G 155cm
5'10"
30/12/1977 USA
(USA) -
7 Donaldo
HONTIVEROS G 188cm
6'2" 01/06/1977 Philippines
(PHI) -
8 Pauliasi
TAULAVA C 210cm
6'11"
02/03/1973 Tonga
(TGA) -
9 Kelly
WILLIAMS C 204cm
6'8"
07/02/1982 USA
(USA) -
10 Gabriel Daniel
NORWOOD F 198cm
6'6" 09/02/1985 US
(USA) -
11 Michael
PENNISI C 210cm
6'11"
13/03/1975 Australia
(AUS) -
12 Kerby
RAYMUNDO F 201cm
6'7" 19/01/1981 Philippines
(PHI) -
13 Anthony
HELTERBRAND G 182cm
6'0" 14/10/1976 Philippines
(PHI) -
14 Florendo
RITUALO JR. G 182cm
6'0" 14/06/1979 Philippines
(PHI) -
15 Eric Conrad
MENK F 201cm
6'7" 24/08/1974 USA
(USA) -

Average height: 193cm/6'4"




Are they wearing high-heel shoes when FIBA measured them?hehe..
 
The FIBA-Asia listing of heights of our local players is obviously not accurate. If you want an accurate measurement of a player's height, you obviously have to rely on the PBA's rookie draft camp measurements.
 
If these players shorter 1 0r 2 inches than expected their skill levels go down???
"parang di isyu tong thread na to"
trans:What really is the essence of this thread.
 
If these players shorter 1 0r 2 inches than expected their skill levels go down???
"parang di isyu tong thread na to"
trans:What really is the essence of this thread.

well there a lot of misinformation on what the real height of certain players. The use of this thread is to determine their real height.
 
If these players shorter 1 0r 2 inches than expected their skill levels go down???
"parang di isyu tong thread na to"
trans:What really is the essence of this thread.

this thread is very interesting, as it is said that in basketball height is might..

exposing the truth about players heights could determine, how much we fare in terms of size compared to other players from other countries. and just how far are we from the global standards when it comes to height.

if height in basketball doesn't matter, then their heights shouldn't be included in their profiles.

in other words, height plays a very important role in basketball.
 
Now I know That Asi is a legit 6'9"-6'10". When I watched their game yesterday vs. the Australians, Their 7'0" Center is only taller than Asi by only 2-3 inches. So, it is not true that Asi is only 6'7" or even 6'8".:cool:
 
Now I know That Asi is a legit 6'9"-6'10". When I watched their game yesterday vs. the Australians, Their 7'0" Center is only taller than Asi by only 2-3 inches. So, it is not true that Asi is only 6'7" or even 6'8".:cool:

I would have believed you if you measured them using a real ruler rather than estimating their height with your own eyes.
 
I would have believed you if you measured them using a real ruler rather than estimating their height with your own eyes.

As I said in one of my posts here, Asi is measured in Sharon Cuneta's show when they guested PBA players way back in 2003. And She said that Asi is 6'10" w/o shoes.:cool:
 
As I said in one of my posts here, Asi is measured in Sharon Cuneta's show when they guested PBA players way back in 2003. And She said that Asi is 6'10" w/o shoes.:cool:

That is ridiculous asi taulava is a legit 6-10 with no shoes on. Everybody knows a bare footed marlou aquino who's a certified 6-9 player is a bit taller than taulava. I have seen aquino and taulava right before my eyes, dude i can bet on this one i gonna win.
 
As I said in one of my posts here, Asi is measured in Sharon Cuneta's show when they guested PBA players way back in 2003. And She said that Asi is 6'10" w/o shoes.:cool:

again keyword is "said".. its just a claim.

Pilae maybe listed as 7'0" but he could be just 6'11" or 6'10.5 or something, they may have just said that Pilae is 7'0" to make the Australian team look tougher.

also, you said that taulava looked 2-3 inches smaller than 7'0 Listed Pilae, but it could also be that taulava is 3-4 inches shorter.

That is why Asi Taulava can always get away with a 6'10" or 6'9" listing, even if he is just 6'7" or 6'8", Just like in the NBA.
 
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again keyword is "said".. its just a claim.

Pilae maybe listed as 7'0" but he could be just 6'11" or 6'10.5 or something, they may have just said that Pilae is 7'0" to make the Australian team look tougher.

also, you said that taulava looked 2-3 inches smaller than 7'0 Listed Pilae, but it could also be that taulava is 3-4 inches shorter.

That is why Asi Taulava can always get away with a 6'10" or 6'9" listing, even if he is just 6'7" or 6'8", Just like in the NBA.

Even though pilae is 7'0 i don't think he'll win against asi in terms of one on one move because pilea isn't a basketball player at all...
 
again keyword is "said".. its just a claim.

Pilae maybe listed as 7'0" but he could be just 6'11" or 6'10.5 or something, they may have just said that Pilae is 7'0" to make the Australian team look tougher.

also, you said that taulava looked 2-3 inches smaller than 7'0 Listed Pilae, but it could also be that taulava is 3-4 inches shorter.

That is why Asi Taulava can always get away with a 6'10" or 6'9" listing, even if he is just 6'7" or 6'8", Just like in the NBA.

What keyword do you expect, so that you will believe. This is the PBA not the NBA. Only small players padded their height just like Ben Wallace 6'7"(listed 6'9"), Rodman 6'7"(listed 6'8"), Charles Barkley 6'4" (listed 6'6"). And so Shaq isn't 7'1" but 6'11"????.Maybe this practice is used in the NBA, but not all players around the world also used it. And I belive that Filipinos didn't do that. We all know naman here in the Pilipinas that if you lie you will be criticized by all the people.But, even the Coaches, Players, Panelist believe that he is a legit 6'9".
 
What keyword do you expect, so that you will believe. This is the PBA not the NBA. Only small players padded their height just like Ben Wallace 6'7"(listed 6'9"), Rodman 6'7"(listed 6'8"), Charles Barkley 6'4" (listed 6'6"). And so Shaq isn't 7'1" but 6'11"????.Maybe this practice is used in the NBA, but not all players around the world also used it. And I belive that Filipinos didn't do that. We all know naman here in the Pilipinas that if you lie you will be criticized by all the people.But, even the Coaches, Players, Panelist believe that he is a legit 6'9".

Well I didn't say everyone did it in the NBA, but is commonly practiced in the NBA, and is also often exposed because of their publicized pre-draft measurements. Ex. Stoudamire was measured as 6'8.5" barefoot, but is listed as 6'10, '08 1st overall pick Derrick Rose was measured as 6'1.5" but listed as 6'3". of course there are players who are listed as their measured height such as Elton Brand, Lebron James, Grant Hill, etc. If not their real height maybe just a quarter more or less.

NOW, just like you, I used to think the Philippines did not practice this. I even used to say that players such as Danny Ildefonso, Rommel Adducul, Enrico Villanueva, Who are listed as 6'6", 6'6" and 6'5" respectively could pass up as 6'8" or 6'7" if we were to match them up internationally with those who practice the height padding.

But then I later-on noticed, that these players would look significantly shorter than imports but then should be on or under the height limit for imports of 6'6". This can still be noticed now, if you see imports this conference who were measured close to 6'6" officially, would look significantly taller than many 6'6" listed PBA players like danny I, Quinahan, Bono, Allado, etc.

What further enforced this revelation was the PBA starting to present players' official pre-draft measurements for their draft.

this, for me, was a tough pill to swallow, but it is the truth.

Although there are some PBA players who are listed as they are measured, Such as Sonny Thoss at 6'7", Mark Andaya, Mark Telan etc.

You mentioned that here in the Philippines, that if you lie you will be criticized, but it is so in every other country..

the Coaches, Players, and Panelists, supports these height padding practice, to promote the league, their teams and the players, and so it would be more appealing to fans. But official measurements prove to be more valuable to coaches and scouts. that is why it is important for them to know these.

Now, you ask what keyword it is that you have to say for me to start believing you.. that keyword would be "Official"

I apologize, for pushing you to believe that Taulava is 6'7 or 6'8, but it is only my observation. There is no official measurement for Taulava so there is no way of me to prove that he isn't, although my arguments are that he looks significantly shorter than players who are listed as 6'9" such as Eman, Aquino, and Pennisi. These players who are more or less the as tall as each other, With Eman being officially listed as 6'8". Also, I have read some criticisms about Taulava's Height before. (i think most of them are articles)


try comparing these Imports with PBA local players who are listed as 6'6", and 6'5"
(from Lebron23) Official Measurements ( Without shoes)

Shawn Daniels 6-5 7/16
Anthony Johnson 6-5 1/16
J.J. Sullinger 6-4 5/16
Reggie Larry 6-4 3/4
Charles Clark 6-5
Rosell Ellis 6-4 3/4
Rod Nealy 6-4 7/8
James Penny 6-5 7/16

Daniels turned out to be tallest among the reinforcements at 6-foot-5 5/8, while McFadgon is the shortest at 6-foot-3 13/16.

Nealy was measured 6-5 1/16, Johnson 6-4 15/16, Hamilton 6-4 3/4, Clark 6-5 1/4, Carter 6-5 1/16, Sullinger 6-4 1/4 and Wade 6-5 3/8.
 
Well I didn't say everyone did it in the NBA, but is commonly practiced in the NBA, and is also often exposed because of their publicized pre-draft measurements. Ex. Stoudamire was measured as 6'8.5" barefoot, but is listed as 6'10, '08 1st overall pick Derrick Rose was measured as 6'1.5" but listed as 6'3". of course there are players who are listed as their measured height such as Elton Brand, Lebron James, Grant Hill, etc. If not their real height maybe just a quarter more or less.

NOW, just like you, I used to think the Philippines did not practice this. I even used to say that players such as Danny Ildefonso, Rommel Adducul, Enrico Villanueva, Who are listed as 6'6", 6'6" and 6'5" respectively could pass up as 6'8" or 6'7" if we were to match them up internationally with those who practice the height padding.

But then I later-on noticed, that these players would look significantly shorter than imports but then should be on or under the height limit for imports of 6'6". This can still be noticed now, if you see imports this conference who were measured close to 6'6" officially, would look significantly taller than many 6'6" listed PBA players like danny I, Quinahan, Bono, Allado, etc.

What further enforced this revelation was the PBA starting to present players' official pre-draft measurements for their draft.

this, for me, was a tough pill to swallow, but it is the truth.

Although there are some PBA players who are listed as they are measured, Such as Sonny Thoss at 6'7", Mark Andaya, Mark Telan etc.

You mentioned that here in the Philippines, that if you lie you will be criticized, but it is so in every other country..

the Coaches, Players, and Panelists, supports these height padding practice, to promote the league, their teams and the players, and so it would be more appealing to fans. But official measurements prove to be more valuable to coaches and scouts. that is why it is important for them to know these.

Now, you ask what keyword it is that you have to say for me to start believing you.. that keyword would be "Official"

I apologize, for pushing you to believe that Taulava is 6'7 or 6'8, but it is only my observation. There is no official measurement for Taulava so there is no way of me to prove that he isn't, although my arguments are that he looks significantly shorter than players who are listed as 6'9" such as Eman, Aquino, and Pennisi. These players who are more or less the as tall as each other, With Eman being officially listed as 6'8". Also, I have read some criticisms about Taulava's Height before. (i think most of them are articles)


try comparing these Imports with PBA local players who are listed as 6'6", and 6'5"
(from Lebron23) Official Measurements ( Without shoes)

Shawn Daniels 6-5 7/16
Anthony Johnson 6-5 1/16
J.J. Sullinger 6-4 5/16
Reggie Larry 6-4 3/4
Charles Clark 6-5
Rosell Ellis 6-4 3/4
Rod Nealy 6-4 7/8
James Penny 6-5 7/16

Daniels turned out to be tallest among the reinforcements at 6-foot-5 5/8, while McFadgon is the shortest at 6-foot-3 13/16.

Nealy was measured 6-5 1/16, Johnson 6-4 15/16, Hamilton 6-4 3/4, Clark 6-5 1/4, Carter 6-5 1/16, Sullinger 6-4 1/4 and Wade 6-5 3/8.

Ok. What I noticed in the pre=draft meadurements of the PBA, there are many mistakes in their measurements.Espino was measured at 6'8" by the PBA.But when you look at him along side Eman who is "listed" also at 6'8", Eman is taller than him.Another is Jonas Villanueva.He is listed at 5'11", and Custodio is also listed at 5'11".BUt In reality Custodio is taller than JOnas by at least 1 inch.KIm Valenzuela is measured at 5'8 1 /2", but when I saw him before in FEU ewhen he was still playing for the Magnolia-FEU, I doubt that he is 5'8 1/2" but only 5'7"/5"8".Sonny THoss was 6'7" in the 2004 draft, but Manny Ramos and Irvin Sotto was only 6'5".But it is obvious that the three has the same height.Madame pa.Tinatamad na lang ako magsulat.:cool:
 
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