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Not Racism but Political Correctness

Not Racism but Political Correctness

777 said:
I dont see racism in this picture. Racism is related to hate, and there is no hate. I also like to make fun sometimes about asians, but I also respect them and admire theyr hard working and creative nation. This article is propoganda

I guess you need to understand what it is like to live in a heavily multicultural envirnoment why people may think this is such.

I have found that in the English countries such as England (where article originated), USA and Australia that they have people from all around the world living in these countries. "multicultural" This makes it a mecca for racism to occur as there are always minority groups find they dont integrate into the mainstream and become against society. Also many ethnics groups dont get along with others as well which adds to this part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bQDedDevxQ

On the other hand you have the other wing where they say that you need to be part of this country and basically lose your cultural beliefs and follow those of your new adopted country which many immigrants do find hard to do.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-rowan-williams-has-shown-us-one-thing-ndash-why-multiculturalism-must-be-abandoned-780710.html

So hence why these countries are very sensitive to racism as they are trying to prevent this and anything that sees man as "not as one" is essentially considered racism. Political Correctness I guess is maybe another word for this as well which again I find goes a little to far as well.

Just to finish this is I guess a way to summarise my view and point. These guys are funny take Poltical Correctness to another level. People should see the lighter side of things instead IMO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgMrMXsMZU
 
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Spain’s Olympic basketball teams have risked upsetting their Chinese hosts by posing for a pre-Games advert making slit-eyed gestures. The advert for a courier company, which is an official sponsor of the Spanish Basketball Federation, occupied a full page in the sports daily Marca, the country’s best-selling newspaper. The advert carries the symbol of the sport’s governing body.

This coming from a country that legislates the rights of primates as equal to humans.

Spain is to become the first country to extend legal rights to apes, wrongfooting animal rights activists who have long campaigned against bullfighting in the country.

In what is thought to be the first time a national legislature has granted such rights to animals, the Spanish parliament’s environmental committee voted to approve resolutions committing the country to the Great Apes Project, designed by scientists and philosophers who say that humans’ closest biological relatives also deserve rights.

The resolution, adopted with crossparty support, calls on the Government to promote the Great Apes Project internationally and ensure the protection of apes from “abuse, torture and death”. “This is a historic moment in the struggle for animal rights,” Pedro Pozas, the Spanish director of the Great Apes Project, told The Times. “It will doubtless be remembered as a key moment in the defence of our evolutionary comrades.”
 
mayteromanl said:
Believe me, in Spain, in general, we are not racists, but what happen is we tend to make jokes of everything, or maybe not only jokes, as an example, if you are driving and another car 'does' something you are going to shout..... i.e. if the driver is over 50, "viejo!!!" (old), if she is a woman "mujer tenía q ser" (something like....'shit, a woman again......'), and if he is a black man, or a chineses.... but it's not racism, believe me.

So far sounds like the U.S.

However, I noticed you didn't put the sayings for if the driver is black or Chinese...:D
 
g.g said:
You don't need to say a name like "bird" for example, you can say its an animal, got wings, can fly in the air, what is it? No matter how you see it a great number of people after reading this post would think; hmmm...Spanish are racists. If Guardian did not wanted to feed imaginations it would not have put other incidents in the article.
Certainly "bastards" is not racist but neither "thick blond" or similar remarks. Black, yellow, red, green, or white are the same in my eyes and that is that.

Only if those "great number of people" already have issues with the Spanish which would make them racist (yes Spanish isn't a race, but the word is used for basic hatred of anyone, whether black, white, Asian, Jewish, Latino, etc..., none of which are true races).

With that said, my "bastards" comment was basically it had nothing to do with the 'monkey' comment. With one being racist and the other not.
 
Lietuvis said:
I guess you need to understand what it is like to live in a heavily multicultural envirnoment why people may think this is such.

I have found that in the English countries such as England (where article originated), USA and Australia that they have people from all around the world living in these countries. "multicultural" This makes it a mecca for racism to occur as there are always minority groups find they dont integrate into the mainstream and become against society. Also many ethnics groups dont get along with others as well which adds to this part.
Very well said Lietuvis.

You can add Canada to that list also... and there are not just English articles on the subject, but also the American and Canadian media have picked it up as "What were they thinking?" - it's an entirely different perspective than what we are used to seeing, for the reasons Lietuvis has stated above.

Stuart
 
I'd like to say a few things, first, yes this ad is shit, and also are some fucking british journalists. They've missunderstood the message this isn't racist at all, just unpleasant whatever, they make that thing as if they were chinese too, it is a message of closeness, that's how I see it. I don't get that offensive content, or just maybe I'm so gullible. Spanish people aren't racist, just a few of them just like in other countries and I'm sure there's more hidden racism in other societies like the american, I'm surprised there's people saying that the spanish people are racist, how da fuck are we racist stupid british journalists, you dont know shit about us!
 
I really don't see what the fuss is all about. My guess is the specific gesture was meant either as a symbol of "when in rome look like a Roman", either as simply humouristic. I don't understand why anyone would get insulted by it, unless they wanted to be insulted. By the way, I don't think there is more racism in Spain than in any other country, and I honestly don't believe racism is a matter of a people as a whole, it basically has to do with individuals, at least in this time and age.

According to http://www.superbasket.gr/?c=422&a=106150 , Calderon stated that there was no racist meaning in the shot. And I definitely believe him. I am not a fan of the Spanish team (I am one of the people who get annoyed by their mannerisms, but then again I swore at Fotsis for complaining yesterday and actually told him to shut the f*ck up, so it's not only about the Spanish team), but we definitely got to give them some credit and not be bothered about it anymore.
 
Czarkazem13 said:
So far sounds like the U.S.

However, I noticed you didn't put the sayings for if the driver is black or Chinese...:D

:o :o and don't forget the moroccan people.... Oh! i shouldnt write this im going to be called racist. Or worst, for the last 7 years the license plate of the cars doesn't identify the city, but before.....upppsss...but as you told me, probably like in every place :)
 
People don't get it. I'm a Nordic genotype but I'm Greek. If i tell people I am Greek they don't believe it and call me a liar........of course, yet it is written Alexander (Macedonia) had blond hair.

Black people in the US claim Cleopatra was black, and Egyptians claim she was Egyptian. Of course it is written she had blond hair and was Greek, from one of the general tribes of Alexander.

"Aryans" are said to be "a white race"......Iranians are in fact Aryans.

We have terms like Hispanic and Latino. What is unreal is that in the US 90 percent of people don't even know that SPANISH people are not Mexican or that it's not even the same race.

Also Mexicans themselves and surely most Americans don't even seem to know what the Mexican race even is.

IGNORANCE and that ad was pure IGNORANCE

I don't care if that's racist or not but it surely is IGNORANT and there's a sickening display of it all around these days in regards to other cultures. I had to shake my head just not too long ago when a girl I was dating kept calling Chinese people in a movie Japanese. I had to explain to her the difference and she was like "how the hell can you tell the difference? They all look alike to me."
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/be...-team-poses-for-offensive-pict?urn=oly,100152

Spanish basketball team poses for offensive picture

By Chris Chase

Updated: 4:43 p.m. EDT

Spain's Olympic basketball team posed for an advertisement prior to the Games which appears to show all its players slanting their eyes, a move that could offend its Olympic hosts in Beijing. The ads, for a Spanish courier company, appeared in the Spanish-language newspaper La Marca.

As the uproar over the picture has grown today, more information about the advertising shot has come to light. The New York Times reports that Spain's basketball team is sponsored by Li-Ning Footwear, a Chinese company founded by Li Ning, the final torchbearer who was hoisted along the top of Beijing National Stadium during the Olympic Opening Ceremony finale. The ad reportedly references the Spanish team recently extending their contract with the footwear giant for another four years.

The Spanish-language paper El Mundo has a piece debating whether the ad was racist that basically calls out the British press for trying to smear Spain's good name. But they miss the point. Whether the picture was made in good fun is irrelevant. It was a ridiculous idea that was bound to upset a lot of people.

It's baffling that nobody involved in the picture -- from the photographers to the players -- even seemed to consider that this ad would be looked at negatively. Did it not occur to somebody that it might not be a good idea to mock an entire continent before the world's largest athletic competition that, by the way, happens to take place on that continent. Were they not aware of an invention called "the Internet" that allows pictures taken in Spain to be transmitted all over the world for the eyes of everyone?

And now that the inevitable controversy has hit, they're still defending themselves when a simple, "the ad was in poor taste, we apologize" would have sufficed. This story would be slowing down if the Spanish Basketball team had apologized immediately. Now it's just picking up steam.

The Organization of Chinese-Americans has released multiple statements condemning the picture. George Wu, deputy director of the group, said, "it is unfortunate that this type of imagery would rear its head during something that is supposed to be a time of world unity." Response in Beijing has been muted so far.

Madrid is thought to be one of the front runners to land the 2016 Summer Games (the site will be announced next year). Could this controversy hurt Spain's chances of landing another Olympics?

Interestingly, the Spanish basketball team took on China tonight, winning 85-75 in overtime. No word on whether Pau Gasol was on the receiving end of any elbows from Yao Ming. The Chinese crowd did have a message for the Spaniards though, booing vigorously during the game.
 
stuart said:
Here in the United states, making the "slant eye" gesture is a common way of taunting and making fun of Asian people. I don't think the Spanish NT understood that in other countries this can be seen as racist, but that's just the way it is.
Stuart

It's the same thing here in Australia and if this posters was posted on the streets of Sydney you'd be guaranteed that there would have been an outcry of disgust however, I agree that the Spanish NT did not mean anything of that nature.
 
Double Standards?

Double Standards?

Spain photo exposing NBA double standard?
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
1 hour, 11 minutes ago

BEIJING – When Jason Kidd logged into a laptop to see the Spaniards with his own eyes on Wednesday morning, the photo appeared just as described to him: Here were National Basketball Association players giggling like schoolgirls as they posed with fingers pressed against their temples in a squinty-eyed pre-Olympic salute to China.

Before long, Kidd considered the consequences had those giddy European faces been substituted with those of Team USA.

“We would’ve been already thrown out of the Olympics,” he told Yahoo! Sports. “At least, we wouldn’t have been able to come back to the U.S. …There would be suspensions.”

And for his European peers, well, Kidd suggested, “They won’t do anything to them. It’s a double standard.”

For Spain, there are several NBA players, including the Lakers’ Pau Gasol and Toronto’s Jose Calderon, in this unnerving team photo. They wore Spanish uniforms and had the federation’s seal on the floor. It ran as a full-page advertisement in a Madrid newspaper, an advertisement for a national team sponsor. This wasn’t an impromptu shot, but a carefully calculated choice.


Gasol is too smart, too sophisticated, to have let this happen. After practice Wednesday, he suggested that he wasn’t troubled with the photo on the merits of longstanding racial implications as much as he thought it wasn’t funny. The sponsor pushed and pushed them to pose, he said. They broke him down.

“It was supposed to be a picture that inspired the Olympic spirit,” Gasol said.

And how’d that work out, Pau? Just imagine what would’ve happened had that explanation come out of the mouth of Carmelo Anthony? Here’s what would’ve happened: Stern would’ve been on the next plane to China to work the damage control.

The Spaniards made a deplorable circumstance worse with dense justifications and a sense that they had done nothing wrong and nothing offensive. When they were hemming and hawing, digging a deeper ditch, Kidd talked at Team USA’s practice. He was curious how the Spanish players were spinning this.

“They have some explaining to do,” he said. “They’ll come up with something good.”

Gasol and Calderon aren’t just accountable to Spain on this Olympic stage but the global corporate entity that pays them more than $130 million in pro contracts. The NBA could’ve delivered a ready rebuke on Wednesday and there was none.

They’ll dock you $50,000 for ripping an incompetent official, but you can get a pass on an orchestrated racial slur? Gasol is kidding himself to say that he was pushed into it. Do you think Kobe Bryant would’ve been pressured to pose this way? LeBron James? Gasol is a serious, sensitive player with the prestige and clout for Spain to step up and say: Forget it, fellas. This isn’t happening. Only he didn’t.

As much as anything, this episode feeds a prevailing feeling among African-American NBA players that they’re the constant scapegoats for whatever issues – real or perceived – plague the sport. Without the public demanding a pound of accountability for European players, do they get a pass?

“The simple question is, ‘Would Stern and the league hold the American players accountable?’ And I think the answer to that is yes,” one NBA general manager said. “So why wouldn’t he hold the ‘other’ NBA players accountable –unless the rules only apply to the American players.”

So far, there’s nothing out of the league office. Rest assured, unless there’s an outcry over that photo, the NBA will wish this story away. Maybe the league will even issue a mild rebuke. It won’t be enough. Maybe this doesn’t rise to a suspension, but there should be significant fines and a bold condemnation. There needs to be a message delivered to NBA players everywhere: When you earn your money with us, you are always on the clock. Kidd, Kobe and LeBron understand it. It’s time the rest of the league does, too.

As some suggest he’ll do, Stern can’t dismiss this as the business of a federation team. These are NBA players returning to NBA cities this year. Never mind the host country and millions of fans here, but consider the Asian-American season ticket holders in cosmopolitan cities such as Toronto and Los Angeles. One of the reasons the New Jersey Nets traded for Yi Jianlian was to market him to a large Asian-American base in Metropolitan New York.

The NBA is a global league, so understand: Whatever the summer uniform, it’s the players who are forever representing the logo. The idea that Stern shouldn’t act on this behavior because it falls under FIBA and Spanish rule is ridiculous.

“We could say that too, but at the end of day, we are still representing the NBA,” Kidd said. “No matter if we’re saying (the actions) have nothing to do it. At the end of day, we have to go back home, and our jobs are there.”

Stern is walking a slippery slope here, balancing relationships and partnerships in China and Europe. Already, there are jealousies developing in Europe over the way Stern is fawning over the Chinese market. Some European teams have told American marketers and agents that they’ve felt neglected in Stern’s wanderlust for Asia. FIBA is the governing body for European basketball and they’ve already dismissed this as a non-issue. That’s FIBA’s right, but the NBA has a different responsibility here. It has to take the higher ground.

“It would start an international riot if we did it, but they aren’t us,” an Eastern Conference executive said. “It’s low-rent stuff, but FIBA won’t do squat, so (the) NBA would show them up with any punitive action. I would be shocked if the NBA does any more than condemn (the) action.”

These Games have been a fascinating illustration in the complexities of the NBA’s globalization. The Americans have been treated like rock stars in China. Team USA has handled everything with grace and good humor. After too many trips overseas when this wasn’t the case for America’s national team, it sure is now.

Yes, there are different attitudes in the world, different sensibilities in Europe and North America. But for the NBA, there can be just one set of right and wrong. There should be only a strong voice and strong action now. No one should have to call for accountability from the Spaniards – the way that they would for Americans. Once and for all, David Stern has to be clear that there aren’t rules and responsibilities for different athletes, and different backgrounds – just those for an NBA player.
 
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Kidd is an idiot, and so is the journal who wrote this crap..
double standards my ass..
a croatian member of IOOC and former president of Croatian Olympic commitee was at China - USA game..
before the game you know what happened?
president's Bush security got into a fight with chinese police in the hall of the stadium..
if that was to happen to anyone else's security whil in China you know what would happen? they would all be thrown in jail for years..
but this way they were all freed and noone wrote anything about it..
so much about double standards..
when an article like this comes from an american journalist it just makes me mad :mad:
 
Just when you thought things couldn't get more ugly, Mr.Kidd opens his mouth and Colunmist Nr.4 decides to write about things he doesn't have a clue of.
 
It's a cultural issue. In the USA that gesture is considered derogatory, in other parts of the world it's not. Has the Chinese government complained about it?
 
i'm starting to get angry about this topic... and Mr. Kidd talking about double standard, he, who's in a luxury hotel, and didn't have any problems (like the spanish NT) for training....

Crap media.

And if the chinese fans were booing my players for this nonsense photo... Ok.... better for them....
 
This will cost the Spanish team in one form or the other. Public sentiment in China is swinging away from them. Evidence by the loud booing when China played Spain. At minimum, Li Ning will pull their endoresement contract with Spain.
 
L8DBACK said:
Spain photo exposing NBA double standard?
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
1 hour, 11 minutes ago

BEIJING – When Jason Kidd logged into a laptop to see the Spaniards with his own eyes on Wednesday morning, the photo appeared just as described to him: Here were National Basketball Association players giggling like schoolgirls as they posed with fingers pressed against their temples in a squinty-eyed pre-Olympic salute to China.

Before long, Kidd considered the consequences had those giddy European faces been substituted with those of Team USA.

“WHAAAAAAAAA,” he told Yahoo! Sports. “WHAAAAAAAAAA! …WHAAAAAAAAA!”

And for his European peers, well, Kidd suggested, “WHAAAAAAAAAAAA!”
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Dear Lord, I haven't seen anyone from China complaining, have you? Give me a break with this political correctness thing, when no insult is meant, none should be taken. It's like me complaining for being called a woman.
 
First of all, hello to all. It's some time since I follow this forum, but today I just felt like saying something here.

Just to sum it up:

1. The controversial photo is for an advertisment.

2. The company paying for the ads is A CHINESE COMPANY (Li-Ning`s T-Shirt).

3. The GUYS FROM THE CHINESE COMPANY decided that it was the correct advertisment (it was probably THEIR idea).

4. Since every single guy in the Spanish team is spanish (huh), it's not unlikely that none of them could think of the gesture being racist. In Spain (a country where nothing is ever taken seriously, and where no offense is ever taken -or almost-) almost noone would see that gesture as offensive.

5. Even if two or three players had thought "hey, this might be offensive to chinese people" (which is VERY improbable), the fact that it was all the idea of a Chinese company obviously convinced them of the contrary.

6. If a third party (a quite over-reacting third party, as a matter of fact - English meida) comes into this two-sided game and starts messing it up with their own stuff, they are to be blamed.

7. No offense intended (and apparently no offense taken from the guys in the Chinese company). No mocking intended. Absolutely no sign of "racial superiority". NO RACISM whatsoever.

8. If a word or a gesture or any issue is considered offensive or sensitive in a a certain country, it doesn't mean every single country in the world should avoid it in their own territory (where ir may have completely different significance or background).

In fact, there's a gesture (the "horns" with the fingers) which Americans may understand as "man, this rocks", whilst in Spain it means "fu(k you" or even "you're an idiot whose wife constantly fu(ks another men". Do we get annoyed wen an American (o any other) uses that gesture in their own "scenery"? No. I mean, we know that's the way it works.

From the point of view of a Spaniard, the only way to see "Racism" in all this is to have a race-based mindset at first. It is said that the ones claiming "racism!" are too often the very first ones to be racist.
Please better look at yourself before judging the others, especially if you don't know it all (but who knows anyway?)
 
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