Group B, day 2: China vs Spain

[kecal]

Suicide by China! When they r up by 14 after 3 quarters, they simply must not lose. Yao was in another court, was owned by Gasol and imo was mainly responsible 4 the defeat.
Mentality difference:USA were beating China by 31 and chose not 2 shoot in their last possession, Greece was beating Germany by 23 and chose not 2 shoot too. Spain on the other hand chose 2 shoot against Greece bringing the difference from 12 to 15 and today the Spaniards were running in the last seconds 2 score another(useless) basket 2 bring the margin to 10 against China.
And they wonder why everybody hates them. I'm curious who the neutral fans will support in the group derby USA-Spain.

I think you are watching too much of NBA... This is completely common in Europe to try to score on the last possesion - it comes from different level of competition, when every single point counts on the final standing.

 

[mavs128]

i was unable to see the game, does anyone know where I can see a replay?


oh, and for the sake of basketball in China, in asia, and in the world, I truly hope China takes down Greece and/or Germany and makes it to the medal round. Once there, if they could even win one game it could do wonders for the national spirit towards Basketball. Imagine if Basketball became the most popular sport in China, it could truly rival futbol as the most popular sport in the world

 

[mayteromanl]

I think you are watching too much of NBA... This is completely common in Europe to try to score on the last possesion - it comes from different level of competition, when every single point counts on the final standing.

At last one person accepting the things as they are....

 

[Levenspiel]

Even though I believe there's a reverse trend in recent years, yes it is common in European games to score till the last second. But this time it will not be like "every single point counts on the final standing", and probably Navarro was only calculating his stats.

Argentina did the same today, and I see no one complaining, not even the Aussies ; probably because they are the most likeable team of the tournament. IMO, this proves that "success" has little to do with a team's negative impression as some Spanish friends here suggested, it's more the mimics and manners you display on court.

 

[Stardusted]

Spain once again proved that they are a very very good team.

They also proved, sadly, once again, that their unsportmanship is reaching new levels and their acting and trash talking a-la streetball ways remain.

Too bad. I have played basketball at a high enough level to know very well that you can irritate the opponent, provoke etc and gain from that. It can be considered "tactics".

I would rather watch my team crushed and loose by 40 points to Angola than act in such a way in order to win.

For me, especially when we talk about teams like Spain, a team playing incredible basketball with such talented players, behaving like a bunch of spoiled disrespectful bullies to ensure win, is unacceptable. And as much as I admire them when they play, I also pity them when they do that.

 

[achinet]

... But this time it will not be like "every single point counts on the final standing", ...

I think you are wron, every single point counts. If there are a tie for the 4rth place, the points counts a lot. If the math aren't wrong you can be out of second round with two wins. And looking how are playing China, Grece, Deuchland, Usa and Spain this assumption can happen.

 

[achinet]

Spain once again proved that they are a very very good team.

They also proved, sadly, once again, that their unsportmanship is reaching new levels and their acting and trash talking a-la streetball ways remain.

Too bad. I have played basketball at a high enough level to know very well that you can irritate the opponent, provoke etc and gain from that. It can be considered "tactics".

I would rather watch my team crushed and loose by 40 points to Angola than act in such a way in order to win.

For me, especially when we talk about teams like Spain, a team playing incredible basketball with such talented players, behaving like a bunch of spoiled disrespectful bullies to ensure win, is unacceptable. And as much as I admire them when they play, I also pity them when they do that.

For what?? for score in the last possesion?? I had never see this in ACB. Here is common to play until the end of the time.

 

[porompompero]

Spain once again proved that they are a very very good team.

They also proved, sadly, once again, that their unsportmanship is reaching new levels and their acting and trash talking a-la streetball ways remain.

Too bad. I have played basketball at a high enough level to know very well that you can irritate the opponent, provoke etc and gain from that. It can be considered "tactics".

I would rather watch my team crushed and loose by 40 points to Angola than act in such a way in order to win.

For me, especially when we talk about teams like Spain, a team playing incredible basketball with such talented players, behaving like a bunch of spoiled disrespectful bullies to ensure win, is unacceptable. And as much as I admire them when they play, I also pity them when they do that.

I think this insane hate a couple of greeks have towards the Spain's NT is reaching an all-time high in this forum, how many times has Spain done that? 2 or 3 times? were you watching at China? they've done all the things you're saying during the match too, and I don't blame them, because it is how it is and every team do that, If you think otherwise then you're being too naive or either you're a fucking hater, I wonder how that defeats against Spain could do that kind of influx in the minds of some greek haters, geez

 

[SergioRodriguez]

Argentina did the same today, and I see no one complaining, not even the Aussies ; probably because they are the most likeable team of the tournament. .

Argentina?
Really?
Well, I don't share that perception.
I think Nocioni is one of the dirtiest players in the world, Scola can be dirty quite often, Prigioni is just a physco, Ginobili is one of the most notorious floppers in the world, etc. etc.
Just my opinion.

 

[Terps54321]

Yeah I don't mean to interject but I saw nothing wrong with what Spain did today. The layup at the end? Please give me a break. No one is going to lose sleep over that. Trash talk? Like the poster above said, you must be naive if you don't think this goes on in every basketball game. Basketball is not for the faint of heart, and the players are grown men that should be able to handle some smack talk.

 

[achinet]

Bah, this is no a game for snobs. This is a hard game. The hard, inteligent, and also dirtie one win. Don't you remember that 80s 90s Italia?, Don't you remember Petrovic??. Really you what a polite game?? That is no arrogant or whatelse its basket. Really you preffer NBA style?? where you can't say anything to reff??. Come on a little of "picante" (pepper) is god.

 

[Dtown]

Bah, this is no a game for snobs. This is a hard game. The hard, inteligent, and also dirtie one win. Don't you remember that 80s 90s Italia?, Don't you remember Petrovic??. Really you what a polite game?? That is no arrogant or whatelse its basket. Really you preffer NBA style?? where you can't say anything to reff??. Come on a little of "picante" (pepper) is god.

I'm sorry but lol at "The NBA is a polite game where you can't say anything to a ref".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE9TVN2HB4o

Granted you can't cuss out a ref, and once he walks away you shouldn't follow, but I'd struggle to find one NBA player who doesn't talk crap to refs...maybe Tim Duncan except for the whole ref vendetta thing.

On the layup, it's not a big deal. I don't think Spain will need any tie breakers, but I can understand the logic behind it. I think it's a stupid tie breaker, but that's not Spain's fault.

 

[porompompero]

Man you come from an astonishing overcome and you're nervous, you're not going to think that kind of things 'can I score this one? can I score that one?, thats just silly

 

[Stardusted]

I think this insane hate a couple of greeks have towards the Spain's NT is reaching an all-time high in this forum, how many times has Spain done that? 2 or 3 times? were you watching at China? they've done all the things you're saying during the match too, and I don't blame them, because it is how it is and every team do that, If you think otherwise then you're being too naive or either you're a fucking hater, I wonder how that defeats against Spain could do that kind of influx in the minds of some greek haters, geez

Teams that are that good should be an example and not act the way spaniards did, and that includes the china game. And no I do not say all these either out of hate or because they kept scoring till the last second.

If you can't understand then it is, as I see it, basically because of two possible reasons:

1. you WANT to see all greek fans as haters. do as you like, it makes no difference. I recognise a better team when I see one and I have no problem doing so. I also recognise a certain behavior when I see it.

2. you really can't see the difference and the point I am trying to make. maybe it takes some real basketball games to notice it. maybe just open mind and not being ready to "shoot all the greek haters who dare say such a thing for spain". Either way, it does not change the facts.

PS: I have watched other teams play too. No, they do NOT do such tricks that often, and in such ways. Thing is, and that is the most bothering, Spain doesn't even need these stupid "tactics" to win any other team. Still they use them. Take some lessons in sportmanship and go play some basketball. It might come as a surprise to you, but there are players out there who act respectfully no matter how much better than the opponent they are.

 

[achinet]

Teams that are that good should be an example and not act the way spaniards did, and that includes the china game. And no I do not say all these either out of hate or because they kept scoring till the last second.

If you can't understand then it is, as I see it, basically because of two possible reasons:

1. you WANT to see all greek fans as haters. do as you like, it makes no difference. I recognise a better team when I see one and I have no problem doing so. I also recognise a certain behavior when I see it.

2. you really can't see the difference and the point I am trying to make. maybe it takes some real basketball games to notice it. maybe just open mind and not being ready to "shoot all the greek haters who dare say such a thing for spain". Either way, it does not change the facts.

PS: I have watched other teams play too. No, they do NOT do such tricks that often, and in such ways. Thing is, and that is the most bothering, Spain doesn't even need these stupid "tactics" to win any other team. Still they use them. Take some lessons in sportmanship and go play some basketball. It might come as a surprise to you, but there are players out there who act respectfully no matter how much better than the opponent they are.

Which stupid tactics?? Where?? When?? Spain kill someone?? They fooled someone?? Becouse they play hard?? Becouse to traying to cause faults?? Becouse to be happy when they win?? Becouse Calderons signal when he score a 3?? Becose Berni's touch his ear when he score a 3?? Becouse hard D?? Tell me.

 

[ronnegrita]

Teams that are that good should be an example and not act the way spaniards did, and that includes the china game. And no I do not say all these either out of hate or because they kept scoring till the last second.

If you can't understand then it is, as I see it, basically because of two possible reasons:

1. you WANT to see all greek fans as haters. do as you like, it makes no difference. I recognise a better team when I see one and I have no problem doing so. I also recognise a certain behavior when I see it.

2. you really can't see the difference and the point I am trying to make. maybe it takes some real basketball games to notice it. maybe just open mind and not being ready to "shoot all the greek haters who dare say such a thing for spain". Either way, it does not change the facts.

PS: I have watched other teams play too. No, they do NOT do such tricks that often, and in such ways. Thing is, and that is the most bothering, Spain doesn't even need these stupid "tactics" to win any other team. Still they use them. Take some lessons in sportmanship and go play some basketball. It might come as a surprise to you, but there are players out there who act respectfully no matter how much better than the opponent they are.

Is my first post in this forum, and I can't understand your explanations about the tricks of spaniards. What did do it against China, for think that??? Explain these bad actions please, I didn't watch it.
PD: Sorry for my poor english.

 

[T.W.Is.M.]

Since that last layup is being discussed so much, my opinion is that it was a completely useless basket. However, the Spanish players were rushing in the last seconds when their opponents had already given up effort just 2 score 2 more unnecessary points. I think it is an indication that they care about the difference of their victories in order 2 prove that they r the strongest team. I also reckon that as a sign of arrogance, if we combine it with some reactions of the players in the court(like Calderon's raise of hands after a 3p). 4 me it's no coincidence that most neutral fans root 4 Spain's opponent. Sure, the weaker teams always get support from neutrals, but this situation resembles with the one of USA, where everybody wants 2 beat them.
And yes, Argentina did the same, but their 3p was scored by Gutierrez who is considered a substitute and probably wanted 2 score. Ginobili looked ready 2 run down the clock, but saw his teammate waiting and decided 2 pass 2 him. He probably wouldn't have taken the shot himself.

 

[FRANKY 13]

Once again, to whoever can understand, as I am not willing to repeat something I have expressed already in details before:

Spain never was winning in huge competitions (as opposed to the ones of the less popular sports). Indurain was the only enormous winner they had before the generation of basketball players they are enjoying right now, Nadal and Alonso, ultimately the football team.
All these seem arrogant because they are letting of steam easily, expressing the huge relieve of a whole big country being finally able to celebrate big victories. Also no offense to Spaniards, really cool people as far as I know, people are not really used to seeing them win...

In some years things are going to be better amigos. For the moment you have to endure a severe but fair to my mind critic.

 

[achinet]

...like Calderon's raise of hands after a 3p...

Man if it is unesporshimen I am superman . He did it ALLWAYS, since he was in TAU. It is a firm like Mutombo "no" with his finger, or many other players, like Berni touching his ear. Like Rauls (socer) kising his ring, like many many other. he is no fooling no one. Be serious.

 

[Vasileios Spanoulis]

that's not true at all...the way he plays defense is very similar to a combination of Bruce Bowen and Chris Paul, two of the best defenders for their positions in the NBA. When you have a reputation of being a very good defender and are very active on defense, the refs let you play in the NBA. It's when you are lazy and try to just stick your hand in or slap at the ball that the refs call fouls. He'll be a tremendous defensive players in the NBA.

He runs into guys all the time on the perimeter. You can't do that anymore in the NBA. And his defense is nothing like Bowen or Paul. Give me a break. It's more like Derek Harper.