Arab Club Champions[Jordan-23 april until 5 may]

[WIZARD]

hats down 2 sagesse but at the end of the game i don't understand why micah decided 2 shoot for 3 points:S and not anyone else...this guy was the week point of sagesse...kevin johnson is really great at rebounding...i really like this guy...btw wizard riyadi played with 2 imports and 1 naturalized player not 4 imports in dubai...damian king didn't contribute anything to the team...in fact he didn't play...ok u're right about last year arab championship and i'm against it but these are the rules and they should change...another thing this year vogel is not playing as he always plays...he's getting old and we won against zain in dubai bc of hussein tawbeh...i want to mention also that zaid abbas is not jordanian...he's palestinian...of 12 players in zain at least 6 are not really jordanian...another thing riyadi won all it's past trophis with 2 imports and 1 naturalized player not 4 imports as u said...one last thing if riyadi had a better coach who can create a system that involves all 12 players and not 6 nobody can stop riyadi bc the local players in riyadi are much much much better than any arab team but the problem is that we don't have a smart coach

i think we should stop this talking about imports and trying to get all those excuses why a team won and why a team lost..micah is a great player and i really hate it when a player make a bad play or decision we start bashing him
this is basketball 1 team win and the other loses thats how it is and thats how it will be in last dubai cup we played with 4 imports but yet we lost so u get the idea..as for Zeid abbas WTF?? its zeid abbas turn now?then what next alkhass then ayman..plz lets stop this nonsense cuz its gettin annoying
in jordan we have like 5 million ppl half of them are from palestine,its a fact and all of you know about it ,,not something new plus zeid abbas didnt come from palestine just like that to play he played in all jordanian young NT's til he reached the men's NT.

 

[zik013]

i have a question for the Zain fan.. can you tell me which players you are going to bring to the Asian Cup... i hear you are only allowed 2 imports... and Wright will count as import also.. do you know the situation please ??

 

[karim]

sagesse were the real champions back in 1998 and 99 winning 2 championships with only 2 imports thise were the glory days and the lebanese back than were at the same level as the imports kind of like fast link in asian championship 2006 we saw 2 imports and good locals....wizard has a point both riyadi and zain,s chamoionships mean nothing we got to give them credit but they both had more imports than the other teams ....this asian championship will show the power of the arab locals ...i like this rule with the naturalized counting as an import and i know every lebanese here likes vogel and what he,s done for the country but hes old ...he cant jump , cant play an inside game and all he does is goes out and shoot threes and hes not that efficient with the 3 like the orlando magic,s pat garitty what is even worse is that he yells on the players sometimes for something bad that he did ....riyadi should take ismail and an import center on position 5 ....vincent jones or micha brand or even jamal sampson....

 

[daniab]

i have a question for the Zain fan.. can you tell me which players you are going to bring to the Asian Cup... i hear you are only allowed 2 imports... and Wright will count as import also.. do you know the situation please ??

Alpha bangoura and Micah Brand.

 

[marko]

yeh alfa and micah to zain but i dont believe till now
they dump rasheem and nate and jamal and thomas all at once?? is it possible ??

 

[zouz]

Alpha bangoura and Micah Brand.

no way...this will be only true if nathan jones is seriously injured...thomas was really great in the final against sagesse and we all know rashim plays better than what he did in the final...another thing wizard i don't agree that micah is great player...that's why sagesse admin is going 2 change him...he's making too many mistakes...he used 2 be better but his performance decreased...kevin johnson on the other hand should stay...at least he's playing with bug heart and fighting for every ball

 

[daniab]

Awards:
ACC local players MVP: Sabah Khoury (196-G-82) (196-G-82) of Sagesse (LEB)
ACC import players MVP: Alpha Bangura (197-F/G-80, college: St.John's) of Sagesse (LEB)
Best Point guard: John III Thomas (175-G-76, college: St.Francis,NY) of Zain (JOR)
Best forward: Nate Johnson (199-F-77, college: Louisville) of Zain (JOR)
Best center: Ira Clark (203-F/C-75, college: Texas) of Al Kuwait SC (KUW)
Best 3pts shooter & Top scorer: Andre Pitts (185-G-73, college: Huston-Tillotson) of Al Kuwait (KUW)
Best dunker: Zeid Abbas (203-C-83) of Zain (JOR)
Best rebounder: Ayman Idais (205-C-78, agency: Court Side) of Orthodox

1st Team:
Andre Pitts of Al Kuwait SC (KUW)
Alpha Bangura of Sagesse (LEB)
Nate Johnson of Zain (JOR)
Zeid Abbas of Zain (JOR)
Ira Clark of Al Kuwait SC (KUW)

2nd Team:
John III Thomas of Zain (JOR)
Sabah Khoury of Sagesse (LEB)
Ahmad Al Mutairi (187-G-80) of Al Kuwait SC (KUW)
Ahmad Ismail (201-F-76) of Sporting Al Riyadi Beirut (LEB)
Ayman Idais of Orthodox (JOR)

 

[WIZARD]

i think daniab is right..its alfa and micah...nate is injured plus his mom is really sick and he will go back to the usa to see her..as for rashiem zein wont use him
cuz of the asian rules since he is naturalized so they wanna avoid any problems might show up in the future..i guess they will sing both micah and alfa just for those 7 days cuz the jordanian league and cup are both over..so after asian cup we are done this year no more game i guess unless if Palma wants to call up the players again which i doubt

 

[zik013]

i think daniab is right..its alfa and micah...nate is injured plus his mom is really sick and he will go back to the usa to see her..as for rashiem zein wont use him
cuz of the asian rules since he is naturalized so they wann avoid any problems might show up in the future..i guess they will sing both micah and alf just for those 7 days cuz the jordanian league and cup are both over..so after asian cup we are done this year no more game i guess unless if Palma wants to call up the players again with i doubt

who will be the PG then, Alfa is not a real PG.... Sagesse yoused Rony Fahed... Zain had John Thomas... he was actually good...

 

[WIZARD]

i dont know really who will be the PG they might call wissam el sous or fadel najjar.

 

[SNIPER]

sagesse were the real champions back in 1998 and 99 winning 2 championships with only 2 imports thise were the glory days and the lebanese back than were at the same level as the imports kind of like fast link in asian championship 2006....

Sagesse won with one import at the court. The rule was each team is allowed to play with one import on the court and only an arab import can replace another non-arab import... In 1998, Assan N'Diaye was the import player.Ismail Ahmad was the subtitute.In other words, if smail ahmad entered the court assan had to go out. In 1999 we played with one import "Assan Ndiaye"

raj3o al terikh

 

[marko]

zain make me laugh every day they change foreigners they only try to nutrilize and get jordanese origins and if they have lack in any position they get from, al orthodoxy and other teams
this isnt healthy and makes every one mad ...
this is the jordanese NT plus the best foreigners in the region and nutralized players and and ...

 

[WIZARD]

zain make me laugh every day they change foreigners they only try to nutrilize and get jordanese origins and if they have lack in any position they get from, al orthodoxy and other teams
this isnt healthy and makes every one mad ...
this is the jordanese NT plus the best foreigners in the region and nutralized players and and ...

when did zein nutralize imports??and when did they get jordanian from abroad??
guys be fair here and stop attaking just for the sake of attack..rashiem was natrualized for the NT and not Zein zein foght with orthodoxy club to get rashiem and they won..money talks they paid more and its the players right to chose its his career in 5 years rashiem wont play maybe..the other jordanian abroad are enver and sam only..no 1 else did u see any 1 else..jamal is a backup center playes in the garbage time only..Sam is injured sns didnt play since dubai!!plus imports are changed cuz they are injuerd..jamal is injured and nate..do u want the team to go with injured players?? its not logical man
even rashiem is not playing with zein either what do u want more? micah is playing since he was released so we have the right to get him any way he is playing just for 7 days as For alfa i dont know what will happen to him but TBH i dont like him Nate is 10 times better than him..and talking about naturalization..do u know its a very complicated issue in the meddile east!!
and aint that easy Rashiem's issue went thru the king him self to get the jordanian ID..our fed was always aginst this idea.but becuz of the last asian cup we thought it would be a great add anyway it wont happen again any soon either.

 

[marko]

rasheem nutralized player
3 big time imports (only coz u have money)
enver and sam (origins)
now getting imports just for 7 days
getting players from other teams as u always used to do and now maybe najjar or sous

where is the basketball club school and young teams roll?? how will basketball grow in club and jordan ??

u dont even have a club its a company .. club;s name changes with company

this is the truth why lebanese basketball is the best in region right now with now doubt...

basketball schools young talents ...etc
if zain didnt have hbuge huge money numbers no jordanian team would ever win anything right????

face it

 

[WIZARD]

rasheem nutralized player
3 big time imports (only coz u have money)
enver and sam (origins)
now getting imports just for 7 days
getting players from other teams as u always used to do and now maybe najjar or sous

where is the basketball club school and young teams roll?? how will basketball grow in club and jordan ??

u dont even have a club its a company .. club;s name changes with company

this is the truth why lebanese basketball is the best in region right now with now doubt...

basketball schools young talents ...etc
if zain didnt have hbuge huge money numbers no jordanian team would ever win anything right????

face it

i dont understand ur point???and why are u botherd by this..are ur trying to get excuses cuz your teams didnt win last arabcup??its really wired that u all jumped and started attacking the team just for the sake of attaking u dont even have 1 reasonable excuse all what u talk about is imports and natrulized players bla bla bla...if some 1 started naturalizng it was lebanon..iu started playing with more than 3 imports in alot of cups and so on no need to mention them all..
this is happing in the whole world God damn even hakeem was naturalized to play for the usa!!! most european countries have naturalized players if not all
russia has..germany has an so on why dont u attack them??or its just becuz
its jordan and u dont like to see other countries developing around u???its not a lebanese trade mark so get over it...talking about school we have alot of
them riyadi club wehdat orthodox arena..its just Zein that is owned by a big telecom companey they pay more so they earn what they pay...which is better than having 1 guy supporting a team and when he leaves the team falls apart just like what happened to ur team few years ago when they wanted to cancle the BBall am i wrong??its all now about money and how to be professional..the hobby era of the 80's and 70's is gone players then used to play when they had time for fun only..its not like that any more..plus why shall i admit ur better than us???ur not dominating anymore are you? and yet just for the sake of bashing u complain about wissam and who ever else..well hmmm
didnt hekmeh get Fadi to play with them in 2005 when the got 3rd place note he was still playing in syria ??so 7alal 3alek and 7aram 3alena??? i really dont get u guys

 

[karim]

zain got mica brand and alpha and guess where they got the idea from ...yes from sagesse a lebanese team ....i wonder if lebanon NT took a vacation in dubai would the jordanian NT(a wanna be lebanon in bball) follow them also ? btw theres a guy in jordan NT called islam abbas he went into the game and did 2 fakes under the basket and than lost it , it was hilarious if any1 saw it lebanon would never take him as a lebanese in division 1 basketball if he was lebanese ofcourse and it looked like he lost weight he looked better as a fat man cuz when he lost weight he looks thin with a huge amount of fat and no muscle kind of like an obese man whos just had a liposuction ....by the way wizard where did u dissapear after jordan got 5th in asia even though u said they were better than lebanon back than ? u were posting everyday but u vanished all of a sudden looks like u had some work that day after their game against japan its not hard for a team to reach the asian semis i cant remember the last time lebanon couldnt get there in the asian championship i think back in 1999 in their 1st championship , a team must really be lost to be like that and still have ambition to reaching olympics 2008 and WBC 2010

 

[marko]

lol @ karim

wizard what i mean was so cleaer what zain is doing isnt making jordanian basketball improve
jordan will never make it to world cup or to lebanon's level unless they start working on young jordanian talents

in the final there was a song "shido l himmeh l himmeh awiyeh ya shabab l ordonieh"
2 comments
1- the song is lebanese and u also took it lol
2- the guys werent playign very well ( prove sagesse with no bench and no $$ and out of court were able to keep tied all game ) , so the guys werent playing well coz the players werent understanding the song to get enthusiastic since no one knows arabic except zed abbas whos was the best player ... loool

where r jordan young talents ???
abbas - d3es - al khas - al sous all are old players and still
enver sam and rasheem arent taught in jordan
in some stage u wont find such players to fill the place if no talents are trained it will finally vanish brother ..
wheere is jordans youth NT .. (lebanon were in the world cup)

cheers ya akh

 

[WIZARD]

zain got mica brand and alpha and guess where they got the idea from ...yes from sagesse a lebanese team ....i wonder if lebanon NT took a vacation in dubai would the jordanian NT(a wanna be lebanon in bball) follow them also ? btw theres a guy in jordan NT called islam abbas he went into the game and did 2 fakes under the basket and than lost it , it was hilarious if any1 saw it lebanon would never take him as a lebanese in division 1 basketball if he was lebanese ofcourse and it looked like he lost weight he looked better as a fat man cuz when he lost weight he looks thin with a huge amount of fat and no muscle kind of like an obese man whos just had a liposuction ....by the way wizard where did u dissapear after jordan got 5th in asia even though u said they were better than lebanon back than ? u were posting everyday but u vanished all of a sudden looks like u had some work ..that day after their game against japan its not hard for a team to reach the asian semis i cant remember the last time lebanon couldnt get there in the asian championship i think back in 1999 in their 1st championship , a team must really be lost to be like that and still have ambition to reaching olympics 2008 and WBC 2010

.i didnt dissapear i was working at hospital most of time plus stop those kind of posts which make no sense...really ur fanny man who has no idea about basket ..u can trash talk only thats all what u know ya go ahead bash islam abbas this guy owns all ur centers u dont have 1 decent center in lebanon..yeah u heard me no decent center..making fun of islams wait loool at u man..what about ur fluffy center rony samaha who is like 200 kilograms of fat??? all our centers own all lebanese centers for sure every one knows that dont make an ass of ur self..plus to me getting 5th place is better than bragging aabout ur team then bam u lose to iran heheheh what a day..plus anyday know let the 2 NTs play we will own u other vogel is out of serves fadi ait gonna play any more..and even if he plays u wont win..our NT coach can easily out coach what ever coach u have fouad or dragan..so stop this crap
niether ur NT nor ur players are our idol to copy them.

 

[daniab]

Guys relax,let us move for another discussion " the asian cup".
It's Ok,zain won the tournament and congratulations.

didnt hekmeh get Fadi to play with them in 2005 when the got 3rd place note he was still playing in syria ??so 7alal 3alek and 7aram 3alena??? i really dont get u guys

Just for clarification,Fadi el khatib ended his contract (7months) with Ittihad Aleppo in may (ta2riban),then he moved and signed with Sagesse to play with them in the asian cup and the next year (2006) with Sagesse in the local league.
Only 2 teams in lebanon got a players from another team to play outside Cafe Najjar ) in the arab club champions (2004) when they got (yasser el hajj and walid doumiati),and riyadi in the asian cup (1997) when they got Mark kozah and Tony Baroud.

 

[karim]

jordan thinks it has good big guys mainly cuz its wings are soooooo bad ....but islam abbas is a 196cm fat man listed as 202 and his brother zied abbas is like 198 and just cae out of starvation maybe because his brother leaves him no food at home ...zaid el khas is an out of shape 205 man who goes out and shoots threes even though he misses them bad and ayman deis plays like my grandfather....u have the worst 4 big guys in asia all in 1 team and u dont even have any wings to talk about + about lebanon,s final loss to iran jordan dream about playing an asian championship final actually they dream about playing a semi final lebanon has played WBC games and won them and will play at the pre olympics against world class teams whereas jordan tries playing against them in the king abdullah country but all it can get is teams from iraq and palestine because no world class team would even consider wasting it,s time on jordan , man jordan will probably go to asian championship without any imports because if they go with 2 they know they will lose so now atleast they have an excuse for losing ....if u wanna see how much jordan works for the basketball in the country and compare its achievements they are the worst team in the world should be ranked 212 in the world not 50 something like it says on the fiba rankings and talking about lebanon,s big man roy he was a major factor in lebanon,s win over venezuala ....not some round unidentified creature who celebrates every basket he gets from under the basket ( islam abbas ) or an out of shape man sitting on the bench cheering his imports in the final and not playing 1 minute even though hes probably the captain of jordan NT(zaid al khas) and after the game he said that asian championship will be hard because he knows the weak level of his locals ....