Gay and lesbian rights

[rikhardur]

but that is not normal case...it's damaged
[...]
on the other side no mather how many times i see to males togheter, reaction is aways the same, not likeble

Why damaged man? It's an expression of sexuality like any other. No harm there.

Of course it's not likable, you're heterosexual, what else would be expected? But in my case, unlike you, it does not desgust me, I just stand neutral at it, it says nothing to me. Well, two women is a different story of course.

[Dtown]

Two consenting adults should be allowed to do what they wish, so long as they cause no harm to others.

I do agree you can't force churches to marry homosexuals, but gay couples should be allowed legal marriages/unions whatever that grant them the same rights as heterosexual couples.

[rikhardur]

I do agree you can't force churches to marry homosexuals, but gay couples should be allowed legal marriages/unions whatever that grant them the same rights as heterosexual couples.

That's exactly the point, same rights, you nailed it.

[pohani komarac]

i don't know english words for this two things so i will use picture

when you put this togheter on normal way it goes in normaly, but if you try to put in togheter of two parts that don't go togheter, you mast change things (damage)

simpley no mater how much somebody is afraid to look untolerant and say things are it's normal to male likeing females and other way around and it is not nromal for male likeng males, female likng females. nature decided that long time ago.

don't get me wrong, i'm not untolerant. i'don't kill, kick or mock them, just not likeing them, saying it's not normal and don't wannt them to raise kids as evrey kid deservse chance to grove in normal sourondings that nature decided for us

[sinobball]

i don't know englesh words for this two things so i will use picture

Nuts and bolts

[rikhardur]

i don't know englesh words for this two things so i will use picture

when you put this togheter on normal way it goes in normaly, but if you try to put in togheter of two parts that dong goe togheter, you mast change things (damage)

simpley no mater how much somebody is afraid to look untolerant and say things are it's normal to male likeing females and other way around and it is not tomal for male likeng males, female likng females. nature decided that long time ago.

don't get me wrong, i'm not untolerant. i'don't kill, kick or mock them, just not likeing them, saying it's not normal and don't wannt them to raise kids as evrey kid deservse chance to grove in norma sourondings that nature decided for us

There's when your logic fails, as homosexuality is not unnatural. It's quite natural actually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/5550488/Homosexual-behaviour-widespread-in-animals-according-to-new-study.html

Facts are facts.

[pohani komarac]

There's when your logic fails, as homosexuality is not unnatural. It's quite natural actually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/5550488/Homosexual-behaviour-widespread-in-animals-according-to-new-study.html

Facts are facts.

are you sure mine fails?, or nature "brain and logic" faild?

[kaiziken_pinas]

Repressed homosexuality does conduct to traumatic experiences, that one is true. And often those people need psychiatric help in order to accept themselves, since society does not and they start regarding homosexuality as unnatural. Hell, even among other animals (not just primates) there are such cases.
I's like to have a look at that survey (as if there are many cases of gays with children worldwide).

I read the survey in Reader's digest Asia, I think it was in the year 2005.

It just stated that most kids without dads seem to copy feminine tendencies from mothers etc.

here in the Philippines rik, most people need psychiatric help(including me) to accept gays in the society. I don't hate gays(the one shouldering my education is one), but I find the act utterly despicable and immoral.

Hate the deed not the person. Like what I said above, they don't know what they're missing.

[sinobball]

There's when your logic fails, as homosexuality is not unnatural. It's quite natural actually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/5550488/Homosexual-behaviour-widespread-in-animals-according-to-new-study.html

Facts are facts.

Obviously it's not natural. Which species engages in exclusively homosexual behavior? Well if there is any they are bound to go extinct.

So there are animals that do homosexual acts. So? Before my cat was castrated too late, he liked to jump on a blanket, bite it and basically make love to it (you know, his snake gets out of its cage, his butt jerks and he purrs...) but would you say it's natural for cats to make love to blankets?

[rikhardur]

Obviously it's not natural. Which species engages in exclusively homosexual behavior? Well if there is any they are bound to go extinct.

So there are animals that do homosexual acts. So? Before my cat was castrated too late, he liked to jump on a blanket, bite it and basically make love to it (you know, his snake gets out of its cage, his butt jerks and he purrs...) but would you say it's natural for cats to make love to blankets?

Let's not go that way man, it's obvious what your opinion is. It's getting desgusting now.

[sinobball]

It's getting desgusting now.

By what? My cat's sexual behavior? Now you know how other people feel.

Again, I don't mind or dislike openly gay people, just not buying the "natural" claim. This is all talk, no need to get personal.

[Beva]

They are normal human beings, therefor should have same rights!

Just think of many children being molested in so called 'normal' families, but that doesn't matter, as long as it's not gay family... I mean, who can judge what's normal and what's not?

[Straight forward]

I'm glad that situation in interbasket is far better than in Lithuania And opponents against some rights of gays coming mainly from ex- communist states, where sex was "non- existing" you know. But this is off topic.

Speaking about that "naturalism", as Rikh said, for 10 old child it would be shocking to see his mother and father having sex relation. As well as to be shoking to see man and man having sex relation. Usually, children can't see that. Every new things might be shocking. When gays in public for the first time it might be shocking, but therefore doesn't mean that all biological, historical, or whatever facts comes against gays. Even if it would so, the fact that there are "unnatural" things in nature is the fact that man would have to deal with.

[kerouac82]

My stand on this:

1. Whatever happens in the bedroom is a private matter. "Sodomy", whatever it is, should be decriminalized.
2. There should be no restraints on the gender of one's partner.
3. While I myself am disgusted by the sight of two men kissing in public or whatever, I have to remind myself that it is their right to express their affections in any way they can think of.
4. Churches are not to be forced to recognize same-gender unions (doing so will violate state-church separation), but the state should recognize the said unions and give them equal protection and recognition as that enjoyed by heterosexual unions.

[rikhardur]

By what? My cat's sexual behavior? Now you know how other people feel.

No, by you dragging things like those into the discussion. It's at the level of bringing sex with animals to this as many people usually do. It's called demagoguery.