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  • Originally posted by durden_tyler View Post
    Well known already is that our college is a commercial league in its own so yeah good luck with this idea that schools here will be willing to serve as feeder program to these US Div I schools.

    For example, Parks, Ravena and Slaughter.

    We know what happened with Parks. Ravena could be that guy to develop overseas-- would Ateneo be willing and sacrifice their dynasty? i doubt it.

    Again, in an ideal world that could be a good set-up. We are not living in an ideal world. Even worse probably is that we're living in the Philippines too.
    Point well taken, and you're right it's easier said than done but nobody said there won't be obstacles , however as the governing association the SBP in charge of player development and the NT this is definetly a plan (feeder program to a US College) worth pursuing, it definetly is a more feasible plan than the suggestion to legistlate by law that commercial and college teams madatory loan players to the NT. That simply is not happening unless we convert our govt to communism
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    • Originally posted by analyzed View Post
      Point well taken, and you're right it's easier said than done but nobody said there won't be obstacles , however as the governing association the SBP in charge of player development and the NT this is definetly a plan (feeder program to a US College) worth pursuing, it definetly is a more feasible plan than the suggestion to legistlate by law that commercial and college teams madatory loan players to the NT. That simply is not happening unless we convert our govt to communism
      Again i admire the idealism. However, you are overestimating the capabilities of the SBP. As seen recently, SBP is at the mercy of the pro league-- it is an entity that is supposedly the basketball power in the country but is completely powerless over these member-leagues. And yes, those member-leagues include the amateur leagues, for which again SBP has ZERO control.
      If there is no basketball in heaven, i am NOT going.

      SMALLBALL, bitches..

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      • Originally posted by durden_tyler View Post
        Again i admire the idealism. However, you are overestimating the capabilities of the SBP. As seen recently, SBP is at the mercy of the pro league-- it is an entity that is supposedly the basketball power in the country but is completely powerless over these member-leagues. And yes, those member-leagues include the amateur leagues, for which again SBP has ZERO control.
        Actually the creation of a feeder program for example for Gonzaga University (just an example) is similar to the creation of the Gilas I team, that competed for talent vs the PBA teams. Some players Gilas got e.g. Casio some it didn't. The only difference is unlike the Gilas program that was competing for college graduates who would turn pro a US college program would be competing for high school graduates wanting to play college ball. The same scenario will happen some players will join the feeder program some will not and opt to join local univesities
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        • Originally posted by analyzed View Post
          Actually the creation of a feeder program for example for Gonzaga University (just an example) is similar to the creation of the Gilas I team, that competed for talent vs the PBA teams. Some players Gilas got e.g. Casio some it didn't. The only difference is unlike the Gilas program that was competing for college graduates who would turn pro a US college program would be competing for high school graduates wanting to play college ball. The same scenario will happen some players will join the feeder program some will not and opt to join local univesities
          Again, good luck with that. Remember the Slaughter to NT acquisition? It was so much more for the NT as well as 'teneo. You have to consider the conflict of interests here. In a country where politics, sports and business mix the ideal scenarios are really impossible to reach.
          If there is no basketball in heaven, i am NOT going.

          SMALLBALL, bitches..

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          • Had to answer this question:

            The best way to get the best of both world's is to make sure that our kids are registered as pinoys before 16 years of age and then utilise the resources that are available to wealthier countries in terms of resources and know-how and apply them to our growing kids (for us based overseas). this way they are at par with the world growing up and then come home and play for pinas. we are making use of resources unavailable back home to strengthen our kids. Also they are not subjected to any school politics that might prevent them to join. This way they are independent of politics yet trained properly.The drawback, all expenses are yours...

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            • What do you think about Japeth's case, IMO he could be a better player now if he just stayed with Ateneo.

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              • Originally posted by Phlegm Thrower View Post
                What do you think about Japeth's case, IMO he could be a better player now if he just stayed with Ateneo.
                he could play even more better if he didn't step on the ball during WKU's practice.
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                • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post
                  he could play even more better if he didn't step on the ball during WKU's practice.
                  So yeah, let's blame that ball too for his lack of development

                  So here's Japeth's excuse list:

                  Toroman wouldn't trust him.
                  Chot wouldn't trust him.
                  The ball does not like him.

                  If there is no basketball in heaven, i am NOT going.

                  SMALLBALL, bitches..

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                    FIBA cracks down on ineligibles
                    By Joaquin Henson The Philippine Star Updated May 02, 2012 12:00 AM 0 comment to this post

                    MANILA, Philippines – A FIBA initiative to strictly impose the provision requiring players with the birth right of dual citizenship to claim two nationalities before turning 16 may adversely affect the eligibility of future Fil-foreigners in the Philippine basketball team, said Smart Gilas team manager Butch Antonio recently.

                    “It’s collateral damage for the Philippines because FIBA wants to crack down on instant citizens becoming national players in other countries,” said Antonio. “There appear to be suspicious cases in Africa, the Middle East and South America. In our case, we can prove the birth right of dual citizenship of our Fil-foreigners. The problem is with the strict enforcement of the FIBA rule, we’ll have to establish two nationalities of Fil-foreigners who are prospective national players before they turn 16. It’s a prospective rule, not retroactive, so our current players like Marcio (Lassiter) and Kelly (Williams) aren’t affected. But future prospects like Chris Banchero and Stanley Pringle may not be eligible unless they filed for dual citizenship before they turned 16.”

                    Antonio cited Rule 21.a. in Chapter 1 of Book 3 of the FIBA rules as saying: “A national team participating in a competition of FIBA may have only one player on its team who has acquired the legal nationality of that country by naturalization or by any other means after having reached the age of 16. This provision applies to any player having the right to acquire a second nationality at birth but who did not lay claim to this right until after having reached the age of 16.”

                    Under the FIBA rule, Smart Gilas will be allowed to play only one naturalized player, in the current lineup Marcus Douthit, and no other future Fil-foreigner who may have chosen two citizenships after turning 16.

                    Antonio said Philippine laws allow a Fil-foreigner to claim two nationalities even after turning 16 and his human right to enjoy the privileges of a Filipino citizen, such as eligibility to represent the country in a sporting event, must be respected. However, Antonio said the issue will not be debated until the timing is right.

                    Meanwhile, Antonio said the Philippines is fortifying its bid to host the FIBA-Asia Championships next year. SBP executive director Sonny Barrios has informed the FIBA-Asia Central Board of the Philippines’ interest and preparedness to host the regional qualifiers for the FIBA 2014 World Championships. The top three finishers of the FIBA-Asia joust will represent Asia in the 24-nation World Championships in Spain.

                    “Mr. Barrios has attended hosting seminars conducted by FIBA in Geneva,” said Antonio. “He is in close contact with FIBA officials both in Geneva and the FIBA-Asia headquarters. Mr. Barrios is spearheading our campaign with all-out support from SBP president Manny V. Pangilinan and vice chairman Ricky Vargas.”

                    How the recent change in leadership in FIBA-Asia with the retirement of Dato Yeoh Choo Hock of Malaysia and installation of Hagop Khajirian of Lebanon as secretary-general will affect the Philippines’ bid is not certain.

                    The Philippines has not hosted the FIBA-Asia Championships, previously known as the Asian Basketball Confederation Championships, since 1973. Its only other hosting was in 1960. China, Lebanon, Qatar and Iran are reportedly keen on hosting the tournament. A perennial host because of superior resources, China has staged the FIBA-Asia Championships in four of the last six competitions, including the last two in Tianjin in 2009 and Wuhan last year. There have been 19 hosts since Manila had its last turn in 1973.

                    Antonio said Smart Gilas coach Chot Reyes will call a meeting of the players named to the national pool shortly after the PBA Commissioner’s Cup finals. Reyes has named 16 players to the pool and Antonio said it could increase to 25 to 30 including the cadet or non-pro picks. Antonio said the plan is for Smart Gilas to play at the Jones Cup in Taipei in August and the Stankovic Cup in Tokyo in September.

                    Spain got the nod over Italy on a vote of 11-8 in the final tally to decide the World Championships host. Spain will use venues in Madrid, Barcelona, Bilbao, Sevilla, Granada and Las Palmas de Gran Canaria to play the games. France, Denmark, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Greece and China were others that bid for the hosting rights. China was the first country to be eliminated in the selection process.

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                    • Originally posted by tito thoots View Post
                      Had to answer this question:

                      The best way to get the best of both world's is to make sure that our kids are registered as pinoys before 16 years of age and then utilise the resources that are available to wealthier countries in terms of resources and know-how and apply them to our growing kids (for us based overseas). this way they are at par with the world growing up and then come home and play for pinas. we are making use of resources unavailable back home to strengthen our kids. Also they are not subjected to any school politics that might prevent them to join. This way they are independent of politics yet trained properly.The drawback, all expenses are yours...
                      Agree ! by doing this the gov't or Philippine commercial resources (sponsors) get a free ride, as it's the US colleges (example) that spends for the development and elite exposure (US NCAA) for these kids, Not only that it taps not just the local bred resources but Fil-foreigners. (Ths SBP should identify who these kids are before they turn 16 to comply with FIBA asia rules on eligibility). US colleges unlike Philippine colleges are required to loan their student athletes to national teams when called for duty during the US summer months (June to Sept, FIBA int'l season) . Plus to insure their availability this will be part of the feeder agreement between the SBP and the US college chosen. Doing this sloves the problem of college players not being available for int;l competition plus provides them better elite competition and training
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                      • Here is a suggested example school because of the Ateneo – Jesuit , Catholic connection- University of Layola Marymount. I’m sure MVP with his connections can come up with a feeder agreement between the University and the SBP

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                        If you look at their roster they have 4 foreign recruits , 2 from Nigeria. It doesn’t necessary have to be Layola , but you can see the connection with Layola and Nigeria. I’m sure another US college can have a similar arrangement with the Philippines
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                        • Originally posted by darkknight1200 View Post
                          http://www.philstar.com/thedeanscorn...bcategoryid=69

                          FIBA cracks down on ineligibles
                          By Joaquin Henson The Philippine Star Updated May 02, 2012 12:00 AM 0 comment to this post

                          MANILA, Philippines – A FIBA initiative to strictly impose the provision requiring players with the birth right of dual citizenship to claim two nationalities before turning 16 may adversely affect the eligibility of future Fil-foreigners in the Philippine basketball team, said Smart Gilas team manager Butch Antonio recently.

                          “It’s collateral damage for the Philippines because FIBA wants to crack down on instant citizens becoming national players in other countries,” said Antonio. “There appear to be suspicious cases in Africa, the Middle East and South America. In our case, we can prove the birth right of dual citizenship of our Fil-foreigners. The problem is with the strict enforcement of the FIBA rule, we’ll have to establish two nationalities of Fil-foreigners who are prospective national players before they turn 16. It’s a prospective rule, not retroactive, so our current players like Marcio (Lassiter) and Kelly (Williams) aren’t affected. But future prospects like Chris Banchero and Stanley Pringle may not be eligible unless they filed for dual citizenship before they turned 16.”

                          Antonio cited Rule 21.a. in Chapter 1 of Book 3 of the FIBA rules as saying: “A national team participating in a competition of FIBA may have only one player on its team who has acquired the legal nationality of that country by naturalization or by any other means after having reached the age of 16. This provision applies to any player having the right to acquire a second nationality at birth but who did not lay claim to this right until after having reached the age of 16.”

                          Under the FIBA rule, Smart Gilas will be allowed to play only one naturalized player, in the current lineup Marcus Douthit, and no other future Fil-foreigner who may have chosen two citizenships after turning 16.

                          Antonio said Philippine laws allow a Fil-foreigner to claim two nationalities even after turning 16 and his human right to enjoy the privileges of a Filipino citizen, such as eligibility to represent the country in a sporting event, must be respected. However, Antonio said the issue will not be debated until the timing is right.

                          Meanwhile, Antonio said the Philippines is fortifying its bid to host the FIBA-Asia Championships next year. SBP executive director Sonny Barrios has informed the FIBA-Asia Central Board of the Philippines’ interest and preparedness to host the regional qualifiers for the FIBA 2014 World Championships. The top three finishers of the FIBA-Asia joust will represent Asia in the 24-nation World Championships in Spain.

                          “Mr. Barrios has attended hosting seminars conducted by FIBA in Geneva,” said Antonio. “He is in close contact with FIBA officials both in Geneva and the FIBA-Asia headquarters. Mr. Barrios is spearheading our campaign with all-out support from SBP president Manny V. Pangilinan and vice chairman Ricky Vargas.”

                          How the recent change in leadership in FIBA-Asia with the retirement of Dato Yeoh Choo Hock of Malaysia and installation of Hagop Khajirian of Lebanon as secretary-general will affect the Philippines’ bid is not certain.

                          The Philippines has not hosted the FIBA-Asia Championships, previously known as the Asian Basketball Confederation Championships, since 1973. Its only other hosting was in 1960. China, Lebanon, Qatar and Iran are reportedly keen on hosting the tournament. A perennial host because of superior resources, China has staged the FIBA-Asia Championships in four of the last six competitions, including the last two in Tianjin in 2009 and Wuhan last year. There have been 19 hosts since Manila had its last turn in 1973.

                          Antonio said Smart Gilas coach Chot Reyes will call a meeting of the players named to the national pool shortly after the PBA Commissioner’s Cup finals. Reyes has named 16 players to the pool and Antonio said it could increase to 25 to 30 including the cadet or non-pro picks. Antonio said the plan is for Smart Gilas to play at the Jones Cup in Taipei in August and the Stankovic Cup in Tokyo in September.

                          Spain got the nod over Italy on a vote of 11-8 in the final tally to decide the World Championships host. Spain will use venues in Madrid, Barcelona, Bilbao, Sevilla, Granada and Las Palmas de Gran Canaria to play the games. France, Denmark, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Greece and China were others that bid for the hosting rights. China was the first country to be eliminated in the selection process.
                          Wait. Someone pls refresh me.
                          In Philippine laws, aren't fil-fors(not just players) automatically considered as Filipinos at birth? i think they are,right?. So they dont need to aquire it anymore right? The only thing they need is a passport,which is a material thing that the goverment issues to acknowledge its holder as a citizen and to allow him/her to travel, but not really a thing representing a timestamp of them being filipinos(since they were considered as filipinos by birth). or is it not this way? im confused again. pls refresh me. TIA. =)

                          but if the issue will remain,
                          not just pringle and banchero but STEPHEN 'SCUBA' HOLT TOO!!!

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                          • There is no problem pertaining to PHL laws. Pringle, Banchero and Holt are pretty much Fil-Foreign citizens and they have the same perks and privileges of a normal Filipino.

                            The issue is not our laws, but the FIBA rules. What the FIBA is proposing is to have players carrying dual citizenship to embrace such at the age of 16. This obviously will impact on the statuses of the three Fil-Fors named above for they all are above 16 but have yet to complete their dual citizenship.

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                            • Originally posted by darkknight1200 View Post
                              http://www.philstar.com/thedeanscorn...bcategoryid=69

                              FIBA cracks down on ineligibles
                              By Joaquin Henson The Philippine Star Updated May 02, 2012 12:00 AM 0 comment to this post

                              MANILA, Philippines – A FIBA initiative to strictly impose the provision requiring players with the birth right of dual citizenship to claim two nationalities before turning 16 may adversely affect the eligibility of future Fil-foreigners in the Philippine basketball team, said Smart Gilas team manager Butch Antonio recently.

                              “It’s collateral damage for the Philippines because FIBA wants to crack down on instant citizens becoming national players in other countries,” said Antonio. “There appear to be suspicious cases in Africa, the Middle East and South America. In our case, we can prove the birth right of dual citizenship of our Fil-foreigners. The problem is with the strict enforcement of the FIBA rule, we’ll have to establish two nationalities of Fil-foreigners who are prospective national players before they turn 16. It’s a prospective rule, not retroactive, so our current players like Marcio (Lassiter) and Kelly (Williams) aren’t affected. But future prospects like Chris Banchero and Stanley Pringle may not be eligible unless they filed for dual citizenship before they turned 16.”

                              Antonio cited Rule 21.a. in Chapter 1 of Book 3 of the FIBA rules as saying: “A national team participating in a competition of FIBA may have only one player on its team who has acquired the legal nationality of that country by naturalization or by any other means after having reached the age of 16. This provision applies to any player having the right to acquire a second nationality at birth but who did not lay claim to this right until after having reached the age of 16.”

                              Under the FIBA rule, Smart Gilas will be allowed to play only one naturalized player, in the current lineup Marcus Douthit, and no other future Fil-foreigner who may have chosen two citizenships after turning 16.

                              Antonio said Philippine laws allow a Fil-foreigner to claim two nationalities even after turning 16 and his human right to enjoy the privileges of a Filipino citizen, such as eligibility to represent the country in a sporting event, must be respected. However, Antonio said the issue will not be debated until the timing is right.

                              Meanwhile, Antonio said the Philippines is fortifying its bid to host the FIBA-Asia Championships next year. SBP executive director Sonny Barrios has informed the FIBA-Asia Central Board of the Philippines’ interest and preparedness to host the regional qualifiers for the FIBA 2014 World Championships. The top three finishers of the FIBA-Asia joust will represent Asia in the 24-nation World Championships in Spain.

                              “Mr. Barrios has attended hosting seminars conducted by FIBA in Geneva,” said Antonio. “He is in close contact with FIBA officials both in Geneva and the FIBA-Asia headquarters. Mr. Barrios is spearheading our campaign with all-out support from SBP president Manny V. Pangilinan and vice chairman Ricky Vargas.”

                              How the recent change in leadership in FIBA-Asia with the retirement of Dato Yeoh Choo Hock of Malaysia and installation of Hagop Khajirian of Lebanon as secretary-general will affect the Philippines’ bid is not certain.

                              The Philippines has not hosted the FIBA-Asia Championships, previously known as the Asian Basketball Confederation Championships, since 1973. Its only other hosting was in 1960. China, Lebanon, Qatar and Iran are reportedly keen on hosting the tournament. A perennial host because of superior resources, China has staged the FIBA-Asia Championships in four of the last six competitions, including the last two in Tianjin in 2009 and Wuhan last year. There have been 19 hosts since Manila had its last turn in 1973.

                              Antonio said Smart Gilas coach Chot Reyes will call a meeting of the players named to the national pool shortly after the PBA Commissioner’s Cup finals. Reyes has named 16 players to the pool and Antonio said it could increase to 25 to 30 including the cadet or non-pro picks. Antonio said the plan is for Smart Gilas to play at the Jones Cup in Taipei in August and the Stankovic Cup in Tokyo in September.

                              Spain got the nod over Italy on a vote of 11-8 in the final tally to decide the World Championships host. Spain will use venues in Madrid, Barcelona, Bilbao, Sevilla, Granada and Las Palmas de Gran Canaria to play the games. France, Denmark, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Greece and China were others that bid for the hosting rights. China was the first country to be eliminated in the selection process.

                              This is not good for our National Team but the PBA will benefit for this FIBA rule if given effect.
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                              • Originally posted by analyzed View Post
                                Here is a suggested example school because of the Ateneo – Jesuit , Catholic connection- University of Layola Marymount. I’m sure MVP with his connections can come up with a feeder agreement between the University and the SBP

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                                If you look at their roster they have 4 foreign recruits , 2 from Nigeria. It doesn’t necessary have to be Layola , but you can see the connection with Layola and Nigeria. I’m sure another US college can have a similar arrangement with the Philippines
                                i can't imagine ateneo letting their best player go...mvp isn't the only governing body in the school. yes he may be chairman of the board but his vote is just as good as anyone else's too. if it is so, kiefer should already be playing in the us ncaa.

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