M. Lhuillier Basketball Team: The Giant Killer of the South

[ros]

this goes to show that PBA's game is slowly degrading. Even if it was just an exhibition match still any PBA team should easily trounce any amateur team. The problem lies within the league itself like constant changing of rules, emphasizing more on entertaining the fans instead of playing the right basketball (FIBA), overpaid players who thinks they're head and shoulders above the rest (amateur players), a commissioner who has no vision for the league.

[bestplayer]

this goes to show that PBA's game is slowly degrading. Even if it was just an exhibition match still any PBA team should easily trounce any amateur team. The problem lies within the league itself like constant changing of rules, emphasizing more on entertaining the fans instead of playing the right basketball (FIBA), overpaid players who thinks they're head and shoulders above the rest (amateur players), a commissioner who has no vision for the league.

its just like with the NBA, it kills talent but it sells the league. i remember the implementation of illegal defense which allows acrobatic players to show wares individually but it kills the essence of the game, to win games. players those times likes to penetrate inside and silently discourage shooting outside which starts the beginning of the downfall of USA basketball. eventually illegal defense rule was lifted to only defensive 3sec. violation. here in phils, our PBA players plays individually just to have more score which means more money!

[rhk111]

cebu basketball does not need your respect, Mr. TS. we know all too well your biases.

funny how PBA discards made mincemeat of your supposedly strong PBA teams and national team. we are certainly at loss for words, right? oh, so we'll just use the "highly-motivated-team" and "injury-conscious-team" excuses. how convenient that is.

with your bias, its quite difficult to accept that the ML is quite good by non-PBA standards.

moreover, since you brought it up, how can you say that slaughter won't be good enough for the ncaa/uaap when he has played just one OFFICIAL game against a UAAP team last year, a game he did good (16pts, 15rebs, 5 blks)?

why not look back a couple of year back... your cesafi mvp (quinahan) is doing better than your uaap mvp (bono) in the pba. so much for your theory that fajardo will be better off in a uaap team.

by the way, since when was the pba all-star all about winning and giving it all? it has always been for SHOW and will always be that way. no matter how you justify it, stats during that game wouldn't matter because for sure there are players from both sides who are "not motivated" and "injury conscious".

Actually, to me it looks pathetic to keep using tuneup and exhibition games as justification that two-bit teams like M. Lhuillier are better than PBA teams.

In Tagalog, 'nakakaawa'.

If that is the only thing you can showoff as justification as to how "strong" your M. Lhuillier team really is, then why not enter the PBA team using the same team, 'aber?'

Instead of constantly showing off how good your M. Lhuillier team is in tuneup / exhibition games, let them play in the PBA.

I dare them. LOL.

Greg Slaughter, 16 pts, 15 rebs, 5 blks against UE? How about the 6'3" Elmer Espiritu grabbing 19 rebounds, and blocking two of his shots in the same game. That's the CESAFI MVP, getting creamed by a mid-level UAAP Power Forward, who is 8" shorter than him? LOL.

[rhk111]

And by the way, I actually don't know what you mean by "TS". Either you are confusing me for someone else, or perhaps that's a private joke you keep waving around in your quest to convince people how good Cebu basketball is supposed to be.

LOL.

[manu_bol]

Actually, to me it looks pathetic to keep using tuneup and exhibition games as justification that two-bit teams like M. Lhuillier are better than PBA teams.

i said that? c'mon, backread

If that is the only thing you can showoff as justification as to how "strong" your M. Lhuillier team really is, then why not enter the PBA team using the same team, 'aber?'

you and i know that this will never happen. your tuneup game is actually the closest thing to simulating how ML will fare against PBA teams. unless ML will come up with a budget like the PBA teams, but even with a meager budget, it shows you how COMPETITIVE (note: i did not use "better") this team can become.

Greg Slaughter, 16 pts, 15 rebs, 5 blks against UE? How about the 6'3" Elmer Espiritu grabbing 19 rebounds, and blocking two of his shots in the same game. That's the CESAFI MVP, getting creamed by a mid-level UAAP Power Forward, who is 8" shorter than him? LOL.

dismissing the accomplishments of Mr. Espiritu only means that you'd do anything - even short of downgrading an elite uaap player just to prove your point. let's not take away anything away from elmer espiritu. you and i know that he is one of the best players in the uaap. for GS, to come up with those numbers against a pbl veteran is an accomplishment. those 5 blocks? wow!

[manu_bol]

And by the way, I actually don't know what you mean by "TS". Either you are confusing me for someone else, or perhaps that's a private joke you keep waving around in your quest to convince people how good Cebu basketball is supposed to be.

LOL.

TS actually means, thread starter. i dunno why my reply was posted here. it should've been at your thread.

[Blackie]

MLKP has not dominated the liga this conference as they would have liked to. They have struggled with injuries and roster changes through out the conference and are only now finding their stride going into the finals. Their win here cannot be downplayed it shows commitment and sacrifice during this holy week. Likewise the most convincing win came against Red Bull at the end of the first Liga conference, when the fatigue factor had all ready set in. MLKP was truly playing on prayer and skill not by financial incentive.

[scoli]

It seems like rhk111 is full of BS, he could not understand about tune up game. Where do you put your brain? In Quiapo putik? You should be embarrass of yourself by keep saying the game is not a real match up. They played PBA team before, both team always take it serious, it is not a joke.

An individual talent when started from a young age becomes that more skillfully talented when they play more often.

What a deceit of a PBA team, when they are defeated by the amateur team. It is laughable, ha ha ha.

[b3lowzro]

It seems like rhk111 is full of BS, he could not understand about tune up game. Where do you put your brain? In Quiapo putik? You should be embarrass of yourself by keep saying the game is not a real match up. They played PBA team before, both team always take it serious, it is not a joke.

An individual talent when started from a young age becomes that more skillfully talented when they play more often.

What a deceit of a PBA team, when they are defeated by the amateur team. It is laughable, ha ha ha.

Tune up games are taken lightly in order to avoid injuries and altercations on the court. Its only used to gauge the ability of a squad after their initial practices and a preparation for their respective leagues.

Teams normally who take those seriously are usually the "dehado" when it comes to their basketball career. I wonder why Jojo Tangkay and Marlon Basco never had a fruitful career in the PBA, I bet you could figure that out.

[manu_bol]

Tune up games are taken lightly in order to avoid injuries and altercations on the court. Its only used to gauge the ability of a squad after their initial practices and a preparation for their respective leagues.

Teams normally who take those seriously are usually the "dehado" when it comes to their basketball career. I wonder why Jojo Tangkay and Marlon Basco never had a fruitful career in the PBA, I bet you could figure that out.

you can also say the same for the cebu ninos. its their tune-up game in preparation for the liga pilipinas finals.

the game was hotly contested. it should've ended during regulation. however, both coaches decided to go into overtime.

the pba has the best players in the country. if you're in the pba, then you must be the best of the best. tangkay and basco can no longer cut it in the pba.

as what i've indicated from the start, ML is a good team not because its players are PBA-level talents but because its core has been playing together for many years under the effective system of alcoseba.

for those who haven't seen how ML plays, try watching liga pilipinas games

[onono1]

you can also say the same for the cebu ninos. its their tune-up game in preparation for the liga pilipinas finals.

the game was hotly contested. it should've ended during regulation. however, both coaches decided to go into overtime.

the pba has the best players in the country. if you're in the pba, then you must be the best of the best. tangkay and basco can no longer cut it in the pba.

as what i've indicated from the start, ML is a good team not because its players are PBA-level talents but because its core has been playing together for many years under the effective system of alcoseba.

for those who haven't seen how ML plays, try watching liga pilipinas games

So meaning to say its in the system as a team not on the player's skills (unlike PBA ballclubs' individual plays). Do you mean Lhuillier squad is basically a better team w/ well-organized offense, smart execution of plays and more effective team defense thats why they upset some ballclubs in the PBA.

[manu_bol]

So meaning to say its in the system as a team not on the player's skills (unlike PBA ballclubs' individual plays). Do you mean Lhuillier squad is basically a better team w/ well-organized offense, smart execution of plays and more effective team defense thats why they upset some ballclubs in the PBA.

the problem with most pba teams is that they change rosters and even coaches too often. This ML team existed even before the MBA. Alcoseba hasn't been changed while the TNT franchise already had about 5 coaching changes.

[rhk111]

It seems like rhk111 is full of BS, he could not understand about tune up game. Where do you put your brain? In Quiapo putik? You should be embarrass of yourself by keep saying the game is not a real match up. They played PBA team before, both team always take it serious, it is not a joke.

An individual talent when started from a young age becomes that more skillfully talented when they play more often.

What a deceit of a PBA team, when they are defeated by the amateur team. It is laughable, ha ha ha.

Kiss my as_.

LOL.

[Liga Pilipinas]

who plays on this team? what are their backgrounds?

Active Players
5 Woodraw Enriquez (G, 5'8") - Cebu Doctor's University
6 Jercules Tangkay (G/F, 6'0") - Southwestern University
7 Gerry Cavan (G, 6'0") - Cebu Institute of Technology
9 Stephen Padilla (G, 5'9") - University of the Visayas
10 Marlon Basco (C, 6'5") - University of Luzon
11 Mark Ababon (G, 5'11") - University of the Visayas
12 Danny Aying (F, 6'3") - Southwestern University
14 Bruce Dacia (F, 6'1") - University of the Visayas
17 Ariel Mepana (F, 6'3") - University of the Visayas
18 Rino Berame (C, 6'7") - University of the Visayas
32 Abby Santos (C, 6'5") - University of the Philippines-Diliman
33 Mike Dizon (F, 6'1") - North Florida University

Injured/Reserve Players
8 Jayford Rodriguez (F, 6'1") - University of the Visayas
13 Ron Capati (C/F, 6'4") - College of Saint Benilde
15 Ronald Bucao (G, 5'8") - University of the Visayas
23 Alex Cainglet (G, 5'10") - University of Cebu
-- Richard Ian Saladaga (F, 6'2") - University of San Jose-Recoletos

Head Coach
Hon. Raul "Yayoy" D. Alcoseba

Coaching Staff
Alfredo Enriquez
Lawrence Merced
Jay Ramirez
Mike Reyes
Lou Regidor
Ramon Alcoseba
Willy Generalao

Team Owner
Michel J. Lhuillier

[amamangloy]

Active Players
5 Woodraw Enriquez (G, 5'8") - Cebu Doctor's University
6 Jercules Tangkay (G/F, 6'0") - Southwestern University
7 Gerry Cavan (G, 6'0") - Cebu Institute of Technology
9 Stephen Padilla (G, 5'9") - University of the Visayas
10 Marlon Basco (C, 6'5") - University of Luzon
11 Mark Ababon (G, 5'11") - University of the Visayas
12 Danny Aying (F, 6'3") - Southwestern University
14 Bruce Dacia (F, 6'1") - University of the Visayas
17 Ariel Mepana (F, 6'3") - University of the Visayas
18 Rino Berame (C, 6'7") - University of the Visayas
32 Abby Santos (C, 6'5") - University of the Philippines-Diliman
33 Mike Dizon (F, 6'1") - North Florida University

Injured/Reserve Players
8 Jayford Rodriguez (F, 6'1") - University of the Visayas
13 Ron Capati (C/F, 6'4") - College of Saint Benilde
15 Ronald Bucao (G, 5'8") - University of the Visayas
23 Alex Cainglet (G, 5'10") - University of Cebu
-- Richard Ian Saladaga (F, 6'2") - University of San Jose-Recoletos

Head Coach
Hon. Raul "Yayoy" D. Alcoseba

Coaching Staff
Alfredo Enriquez
Lawrence Merced
Jay Ramirez
Mike Reyes
Lou Regidor
Ramon Alcoseba
Willy Generalao

Team Owner
Michel J. Lhuillier

what happened to Derick Montano?