The Junmar Fajardo Thread

[AMDG2008]

well, not really...it's coz i don't know any college player outside of the uaap/ncaa...i understand there are others who played elsewhere (like gary david, ranidel, pj simon, etc) but how can we watch them other leagues when it's only the uaap and ncaa being televised? the pccl also, for us, is just an exhibition tourney.

Well since you don't really know anyone outside UAAP/NCAA then I suggest you should watch the other leagues as well.--even the PCCL

and I don't think PCCL is an exhibition tourney. Well 10 years ago maybe. But since it was organized properly teams have been fielding their team A players as far as I can remember.

[gaLj]

Backread...your questions will be answered.

Nah.. ABL, SMC, Mon Fernandez ---those aren't absolute answers.

Same with Japeth despite being trained under the Gilas program, he never developed his game and close to being a scrub. Another case is Samigue Eman, they even hired foreign coach to train him but still ended up being a bust.

[AMDG2008]

Someone said that UAAP best centers and PF failed to contained in PCCL.

If the best in collegiate failed to contain and limit his productions, what do you call him ? the very best center?

what do you think?

[gaLj]

what do you think?

some posters (pro-JF) here refute that claim already

[AMDG2008]

some posters (pro-JF) here refute that claim already

hmmm....to each his own I guess.

[kerouac82]

hahaha..i'm not, well he was a pg/sg of san sebastian during their 5-peat. don't know much about him after that and i was discussing the stags in another forum so i searched and this was the first site that popped up in google.

I think he played a season or two with Pop Cola (along with high-flying SSC Stag Brixter Encarnacion). After that, I can't recall if he went back to the PBL. His back-up Ulysses Tanigue had a longer PBA career. Come to think of it, of that five-peat team, only Adducul's PBA career really panned out.

[kerouac82]

Well since you don't really know anyone outside UAAP/NCAA then I suggest you should watch the other leagues as well.--even the PCCL

and I don't think PCCL is an exhibition tourney. Well 10 years ago maybe. But since it was organized properly teams have been fielding their team A players as far as I can remember.

That's because the PCCL now requires teams to field in the rosters they had in their respective leagues. I remember the UM Hawks getting disqualified from their zonal tournament because they inserted additional players into their NAASCU lineup.

In Ateneo's case, we had been sending our Team A since 2003. In February 2005, Larry Fonacier (who was coming off an ACL injury) played in the loss against UP in the quarters.

[kerouac82]

I really hope the CESAFI finds its way to TV screens here in Manila. Not that I'm knocking the quality of play in Cebu, but with the NAASCU now being televised on NET 25 (hello NEU!), the CESAFI will need all the exposure it can get to establish itself as a legit alternative to the two bigger leagues.

[killmebusy]

I really hope the CESAFI finds its way to TV screens here in Manila. Not that I'm knocking the quality of play in Cebu, but with the NAASCU now being televised on NET 25 (hello NEU!), the CESAFI will need all the exposure it can get to establish itself as a legit alternative to the two bigger leagues.

oh, naascu pala yun.hehe i thought it was ncraa? well, yeah...that's why i'm wondering how you guys are so knowledgable about the cesafi and uc and fajardo even if their games aren't televised. that's why you can't blame me for not jumping in the fajardo bandwagon i guess coz even if credible people are saying he is this and that, but as long as i don't see him yet i can't concur. i can't go around and say "wow magaling pala tong fajardo kasi sabi ni ganito ni ganyan magaling sya...kahit ndi ko pa nakikita." (trans: fajardo is good coz others say he is even if i haven't seen first hand).

[thecoolcat]

oh, naascu pala yun.hehe i thought it was ncraa? well, yeah...that's why i'm wondering how you guys are so knowledgable about the cesafi and uc and fajardo even if their games aren't televised. that's why you can't blame me for not jumping in the fajardo bandwagon i guess coz even if credible people are saying he is this and that, but as long as i don't see him yet i can't concur. i can't go around and say "wow magaling pala tong fajardo kasi sabi ni ganito ni ganyan magaling sya...kahit ndi ko pa nakikita." (trans: fajardo is good coz others say he is even if i haven't seen first hand).

And who are you that we should convince? If you are skeptics, then that is your choice. But don't react if someone will praise JF here coz they are the one who have seen him played first hand while you don't. So as far as complaining is concerned, you are not bound for it coz you don't see Him play. Just post again if you have seen any games on tapes or streaming so that the discussion will reach the next level. It is useless to discuss it with someone who know nothing at all.

[kerouac82]

oh, naascu pala yun.hehe i thought it was ncraa? well, yeah...that's why i'm wondering how you guys are so knowledgable about the cesafi and uc and fajardo even if their games aren't televised. that's why you can't blame me for not jumping in the fajardo bandwagon i guess coz even if credible people are saying he is this and that, but as long as i don't see him yet i can't concur. i can't go around and say "wow magaling pala tong fajardo kasi sabi ni ganito ni ganyan magaling sya...kahit ndi ko pa nakikita." (trans: fajardo is good coz others say he is even if i haven't seen first hand).

Youtube and PCCL. And if that was the case, Slaughter wouldn't have been picked for the national team. Even without national TV coverage of CESAFI games, Slaughter impressed scouts so much that they decided to bring him here. UC didn't play in the 2008 PCCL because they didn't make the CESAFI finals. Fajardo played in two straight PCCL tournaments, which were both televised nationally. Even before the PCCL, he was getting feelers from Manila scouts.

If not being able to watch games on TV is "hearsay", I guess we better get rid of scouts from coaching staffs. Sometimes, one really has to rely on word of mouth or scarce game tapes.

Then again, I'm not trying to convince you that Junmar is God. Just letting you know that I've seen the guy, and that I think he's got game. Of course, there is no obligation on your part to believe what I say. After all, I've only seen two more games than what you've watched.

[AMDG2008]

oh, naascu pala yun.hehe i thought it was ncraa? well, yeah...that's why i'm wondering how you guys are so knowledgable about the cesafi and uc and fajardo even if their games aren't televised. that's why you can't blame me for not jumping in the fajardo bandwagon i guess coz even if credible people are saying he is this and that, but as long as i don't see him yet i can't concur. i can't go around and say "wow magaling pala tong fajardo kasi sabi ni ganito ni ganyan magaling sya...kahit ndi ko pa nakikita." (trans: fajardo is good coz others say he is even if i haven't seen first hand).

like I said sir, its pointless for you to discuss Fajardo if you haven't seen some game tapes of him.

Watch some tapes first then come back to this forum and discuss what your analysis is. Saying he is just all hype without even giving your facts and reasons other than saying that you haven't seen him play is just, for lack of a better word, pointless and useless, sort of beating around the bush.

Hope you will be able to watch some tapes and come back for more discussion. I for one believe that he has the potential and goods to be a very good big man...now you concurring or not should happen only after you watch some replays of UC PCCL games the past two years....

[killmebusy]

And who are you that we should convince? If you are skeptics, then that is your choice. But don't react if someone will praise JF here coz they are the one who have seen him played first hand while you don't. So as far as complaining is concerned, you are not bound for it coz you don't see Him play. Just post again if you have seen any games on tapes or streaming so that the discussion will reach the next level. It is useless to discuss it with someone who know nothing at all.

yeah well i got your point but if he is really that good, wouldn't he be common knowledge even to the non-cesafi watchers or the non-ibn community? even with him being in the pccl the past 2 years, first time i heard of him was here. actually, i tried asking around the last couple days...my officemates...friends...former classmates...the answers i received were mostly "hindi ko kilala yun (don't know him)" and a couple "sabi nila may laro daw yun pero dko pa nakikita so hindi ko alam (they say he got game but haven't seen him)"...non-verbatim of course.

[AMDG2008]

That's because the PCCL now requires teams to field in the rosters they had in their respective leagues. I remember the UM Hawks getting disqualified from their zonal tournament because they inserted additional players into their NAASCU lineup.

In Ateneo's case, we had been sending our Team A since 2003. In February 2005, Larry Fonacier (who was coming off an ACL injury) played in the loss against UP in the quarters.

Thanks for the info. Yeah good move by the PCCL to make teams "play" their best.

[killmebusy]

Thanks for the info. Yeah good move by the PCCL to make teams "play" their best.

if only joe lipa's dream tourney came to fruition...problem is not all schools take it seriously eh. i've heard and seen teams, although they send their team a, they aren't complete...some players are out due to various reasons..acads daw, personal daw, injuries daw. if only the pccl will be tagged as a really prestigious tourney...much like the march madness tournament bracketing of the us ncaa. and i hope they increase the number of invited schools to 64.