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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    I'd agree. He hasn't shown it much in FIBA but this is his regular NBA self.
    I struggle to think of any pure centers better than him in the NBA.
    Jokic and Gobert arn't there yet - both migth be slightly better at one side of the game but far worse at the other. Cousins, Davis, Towns I still consider more PFs.
    I was thinking on Cousins as the rival, Jokic also, but he still can improve a lot. Gobert hasnt good shooting ability, and his IQ is low. KAT and Davis are PF for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chacho View Post
    I was thinking on Cousins as the rival, Jokic also, but he still can improve a lot. Gobert hasnt good shooting ability, and his IQ is low. KAT and Davis are PF for me.
    Jokic is there already on offense or will quickly be there. And probably better. I am skeptical of Jokic defense at this time (nowhere near Marc who was the 2013 NBA Defensive Player of the Year), but Jokic is so young with so much room to improve.

    I do think it is between Cousins and Marc as the best C in the world. But Jokic will be very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePeraCar View Post
    Jokic resembles on Marc a little bit
    He's got the 3pt range, he's got good court vision, excellent passer, good post-up game and shooting. On the defensive end he's only capable of rebounding on a decent level. He can also intercept passes well. I've seen him make quite a bit of steals by deflecting the ball. His athleticism and lack of effort on defense is what's holding him back from getting more blocks, but he's comparably better in his NBA rookie season than Marc Gasol was, and the age gap was 2 years in Gasol's favor on top of 10 extra minutes per game. That's a very promising player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burek View Post
    He's got the 3pt range, he's got good court vision, excellent passer, good post-up game and shooting. On the defensive end he's only capable of rebounding on a decent level. He can also intercept passes well. I've seen him make quite a bit of steals by deflecting the ball. His athleticism and lack of effort on defense is what's holding him back from getting more blocks, but he's comparably better in his NBA rookie season than Marc Gasol was, and the age gap was 2 years in Gasol's favor on top of 10 extra minutes per game. That's a very promising player.
    Agree. But Gasol's dominance in ACB was something out of the world. That was a fight between Rudy and Marc for the MVP, both did a monster season in 2007. Although the title went to Madrid.
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    It's not interesting any more.
    FIBA should ban Spain from EB.

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    The next plz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chacho View Post
    What a game by Joan! Great effort from him guarding Schroeder.
    He's been playing a very decent tournament in his role and i'm really glad that he's got some minutes every game. It's a pity that Oriola is getting loaded with fouls too soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adon View Post
    It's not interesting any more.
    FIBA should ban Spain from EB.
    Since 1999, always in SF (10 tournaments in a row). Last time out in 1997, we lost vs Russia in QF. 20 years fighting for the medals, ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chacho View Post
    Since 1999, always in SF (10 tournaments in a row). Last time out in 1997, we lost vs Russia in QF. 20 years fighting for the medals, ridiculous.
    Then you understand why so many people (myself included) always hope for a loss of Spain.
    Actually it's a compliment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adon View Post
    Then you understand why so many people (myself included) always hope for a loss of Spain.
    Actually it's a compliment.
    Yes, but ban no! Spain is vencible, in that 9 tournaments we have one 3 (33%).
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    As long as Scariolo uses the corpse of Navarro other teams will have a chance.I thought they'd take him just for an honorary goodbye and he'd just sit on the bench but no he actually starts and plays meaningful minutes.Absurd.He is so washed up,its kinda sad.

    Schroeder couldnt be stopped but Germany's scrubs after a hot night against France came back to earth and couldnt hit nothing.Voigtman in particular was a disgrace,barely hitting the rim in wide open 3s.

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    Always the same. Spain attacking poorly and defending well, and in the end one or another player is on fire and they break the game. Today Marc was remarkable, but Rodríguez and Sastre made very god decisions and where accurate. Scariolo's formula. I would like them to play better the semifinals, because Slovenia or Latvia will not miss so many shots like Turkey or Germany, and a disadvantage of 10 or more points against them from the beginning could be a too heavy burden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    As long as Scariolo uses the corpse of Navarro other teams will have a chance.I thought they'd take him just for an honorary goodbye and he'd just sit on the bench but no he actually starts and plays meaningful minutes.Absurd.He is so washed up,its kinda sad.

    Schroeder couldnt be stopped but Germany's scrubs after a hot night against France came back to earth and couldnt hit nothing.Voigtman in particular was a disgrace,barely hitting the rim in wide open 3s.
    It doesn't matter very much who starts the game. Navarro played 14 mins, less than San Emeterio (16), Juancho Hernangómez (20), Sastre (18), Rubio (26) and Sergio Rodríguez (26). Since Abrines got injured and was sent back home with a lil' intervention from OKC i guess he'll have to play 3 or 4 mins more per game than it was initially planned.

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    I'm starting to wonder if Scariolo is playing mind games eith every other coach. It's painfully obvious even to the most casual observer that a lineup featuring both Gasol brothers does not work. Even worse if Navarro is out there too. In spite of this knowledge they are still starting. Is a way to give an advantage to the other teams because we are so confident that we only shift to a reasonable lineup if challenged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell Armstrong View Post
    Well, obviously Spain is again the favourite, but I don't think it's going to be an easy win. I actually rate Germany a bit higher than Turkey in their chances of beating Spain. They meet every requirement: a star player capable of driving past every defender we can put out there (maybe Ricky can slow Schroder down, but that's it) and exposing the many holes in our defence; strong guards and forwards who can crash the boards; and 3-point specialists who can force Gasol out of the paint. As a bonus, they know exactly what their strengths and weaknesses are and play a much more organised brand of basketball than Turkey.

    On the other hand, as a team Germany is quite limited and a bad day from Schroder will greatly hamper their options. They don't have anyone who can man up both Gasol in the paint, either, so if their outside shots are not falling there's no fall-back plan. A blowout is not out of the question if everything goes right for Spain. Otherwise, please review our 2015 matchup in the group stage.
    Well, I wasn't that far off in my predictions. But for two games in a row, the shooters have gone cold against mighty Spain. Our defence is good, but not that good. I've got the lingering sensation that in this championship run we're feeding off the mistakes of our opponents, instead of our inspired play. Totally unlike 2009 and 2011, but eerily similar to 2015. Maybe this time we'll run out of luck in the semis, but at least the streak goes on.

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