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    Yes, I see your point. Let's see how the new format pans out and what teams the countries will be able to assemble for the windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    Yeah you're right. But my main point is that this year's tournament and going forward will be the first time that this tournament since its inception in 1980 will have no qualification attached. So basically the only meaning in theory is to determine the champion of the Americas. That can fly in Eurobasket but with the USA not sending anything resembling a top team the title will be hollow. The Pan American games in 1991 and prior to always had legitimacy because the USA sent
    top collegiate players. So for example Brazil who won it in '87 or Puerto Rico in '91 can make a legitimate claim as champion of the Americas since under the rules of the day they beat a top USA team. This tournament will crown a hollow meaningless champion.
    Qualifications are still attached. You qualify by just being there. Winning doesn't mean anything. Like how the Oceania Championship for the World Cup was set up. A series of expedition games really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    The last time an American title had any juice was the old Pan American games up until 1991. Until that point it was second in prestige to the Usa only behind the Olympics and ahead of the World Championships. You'll never see that again.
    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    The Pan American games in 1991 and prior to always had legitimacy because the USA sent top collegiate players. So for example Brazil who won it in '87 or Puerto Rico in '91 can make a legitimate claim as champion of the Americas since under the rules of the day they beat a top USA team.
    My brother-in-law was the back-up center for the Canadian team at the 1967 PanAm games. Unfortunately the Canadian team lost to Argentina, Brazil, Cuba and Mexico and finished last in its preliminary group of five. As a result it did not make the playoffs and my brother-in-law is still disappointed that he never got to play against the U.S. team which included future Hall of Famers Walt Frazier and Earl "The Pearl" Monroe.



    The Canadian team salvaged some pride that year though by finishing ahead of Columbia in the final standings.... Still I think just making Canada's national team was and is an incredible accomplishment for any player.


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    USA Training Camp roster for AmeriCup
    https://www.usab.com/news-events/new...-invitees.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hepcat View Post
    My brother-in-law was the back-up center for the Canadian team at the 1967 PanAm games. Unfortunately the Canadian team lost to Argentina, Brazil, Cuba and Mexico and finished last in its preliminary group of five. As a result it did not make the playoffs and my brother-in-law is still disappointed that he never got to play against the U.S. team which included future Hall of Famers Walt Frazier and Earl "The Pearl" Monroe.



    The Canadian team salvaged some pride that year though by finishing ahead of Columbia in the final standings.... Still I think just making Canada's national team was and is an incredible accomplishment for any player.

    Sounds interesting, do you have more details on that Canadian team?

    Concerning the US team, just to point out that neither Monroe nor Frazier did participate. Despite being the top scorer at the trials Monroe was cut and Frazier wasn't invited. However, US team resulted quite strong, loaded with such future pro stars like Wes Unseld, JoJo White and Darel Carrier.
    https://www.usab.com/history/pan-am-...ames-1967.aspx
    http://www.interbasket.net/forums/sh...=1#post1108391

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    Concerning the US team, just to point out that neither Monroe nor Frazier did participate. Despite being the top scorer at the trials Monroe was cut and Frazier wasn't invited.
    Well then I guess my brother-in-law Doug doesn't need to feel so disappointed after all!

    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    However, US team resulted quite strong, loaded with such future pro stars like Wes Unseld, JoJo White and Darel Carrier.

    https://www.usab.com/history/pan-am-...ames-1967.aspx

    http://www.interbasket.net/forums/sh...=1#post1108391
    To be fair to Doug though he probably said Wesley Unseld whom I confounded with Earl Monroe because the two were teammates on the great 1970-71 Baltimore Bullets team.

    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    Sounds interesting, do you have more details on that Canadian team?
    I'll see what more I can learn about that team, but it included now Canadian Basketball Hall of Fame member Barry Howson:

    Barry Howson

    Doug played for the Beck Spartans high school basketball team with Barry Howson for a year. They also played together on other London area men's basketball teams including the Sarnia Drawbridge Inn Knights which won the Gold at the Canada Winter Games in 1967. Interesting as well that Barry Howson was an incredible all around athlete. He played Senior Intercounty baseball (Ontario's top league) with the St.Thomas Elgins in the 1960’s.

    Barry also played football with the London Lords of the Senior Ontario Rugby Football Union which was one level below the CFL at the time and served as a farm league. Doug himself was offered a contract by the Ottawa Rough Riders of the CFL in 1961. The Rough Riders liked Doug's 6'5 1/2" height and wanted him to eventually replace Canadian Football HOF member Kaye Vaughan on the defensive line. Their plan was for Doug to add about 60 pounds to his 220 pound frame. Doug didn't much like that idea though and he preferred basketball anyway. He turned down the Rough Riders' not entirely generous offer. Doug still works out at the YMCA every day and is a very strong and fit 230 pounds or so. Unfortunately decades of playing basketball and jogging on pavement have left his knees shot and he's had knee replacement surgery.

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    USA announce 16-man preliminary squad ahead of AmeriCup
    http://www.fiba.basketball/americup/...ad-of-americup


    Mostly G-league players, plus three foreign pros and a couple NBAers (Marshall Plumlee and Darrun Hilliard - at least they were in the NBA last season).

    No news on Canada's roster. Tick tock...


    USA 16-player preliminary squad for FIBA AmeriCup 2017
    Billy Baron
    Rod Benson
    Alec Brown
    Larry Drew II
    Reggie Hearn
    Darrun Hilliard
    Jonathan Holmes
    Ra'Shad James
    Kendall Marshall
    Darius Morris
    Xavier Munford
    Marshall Plumlee
    Jameel Warney
    CJ Williams
    Reggie Williams
    Derek Willis

    Not too bad considering the circumstances.
    Seven of the players expected at training camp have experience of playing regular season games in the NBA. They are Larry Drew, Darrun Hilliard, Kendall Marshall, Darius Morris, Xavier Munford, Marshall Plumlee and Reggie Williams.

    This lists their most recent clubs:
    https://www.usab.com/mens/americup/roster.aspx

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    Panama 12-player list for the FIBA AmeriCup 2017.

    http://www.fiba.basketball/americup/...-americup-2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by tres equis View Post
    Panama 12-player list for the FIBA AmeriCup 2017.

    http://www.fiba.basketball/americup/...-americup-2017
    Looks like they've finally shed some of the old guys. No Akil Mitchell, who only played a few games in the D-League after his nasty eye injury in the NBL last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hepcat View Post
    To be fair to Doug though he probably said Wesley Unseld whom I confounded with Earl Monroe because the two were teammates on the great 1970-71 Baltimore Bullets team.
    When I talked to Doug about that U.S. team this morning, the two players he mentioned were Wes Unseld and Jo Jo White.

    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    Sounds interesting, do you have more details on that Canadian team?
    Doug said the Canadian team was competitive in all the games it played, but ended up on the wrong end of the score every time. Here are the names of some of the players:

    Bob Croft (who played in the ABA in 1970-71)
    Barry Howson
    Bob Inglis
    John Cook
    Bob Burrows
    Dave Murphy
    Fred Ingladson
    Gene Rizak
    Robin Fry
    Doug Shaver


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    These are the final 12 for Mexico:
    Gabriel Girón
    Jorge Gutiérrez
    Lorenzo Mata
    Alex Pérez
    Diego Willis
    Israel Gutiérrez
    Juan Toscano
    Fernando Benítez
    Héctor Hernández
    Edgar Garibay
    Francisco Cruz
    Irwin Ávalos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojado View Post
    These are the final 12 for Mexico:
    Gabriel Girón
    Jorge Gutiérrez
    Lorenzo Mata
    Alex Pérez
    Diego Willis
    Israel Gutiérrez
    Juan Toscano
    Fernando Benítez
    Héctor Hernández
    Edgar Garibay
    Francisco Cruz
    Irwin Ávalos
    A list of names is nice, but tell us what you think of this team. Best players? Strengths/weakness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Prelim rosters are starting to surface.

    I took a look at Mexico's preliminary list. Looks like a pretty solid squad. All their primary players are there (Gutierrez, Hernandez, Mota, Cruz, Stoll). Seems they are taking this tournament pretty seriously.

    Brazil's list is almost entirely made up of young guys, including guys like Bruno Caboclo and George de Paula. Seems they're looking at it as more of a development opportunity.

    Puerto Rico has a couple of familiar names (including Shabazz Napier - when did he start playing for PR?), but not too many I recognize. They also had a bunch of guys near the end of their careers the last few tournaments though, with guys like Arroyo, Balkman and Barea, so maybe it's a youth movement more by necessity than design.

    No announcement with Canada yet but we expect it to be a team of lower level Pro's and maybe some youth sprinkled in (CIS, RJ Barrett etc.).-We are trying to keep track of the possible player pool for the WC qualification on the RealGM Raptors Board (Look for the Team Canada Basketball thread).

    Here is what we are thinking might be available (assuming the AmeriCup would use this pool too, but who knows if they add some EuroLeague or NBA guys).



    Canada's Potential Player Pool for FIBA AmeriCup and WC Qualification Games
    This list is focusing on Pro players - Canada Basketball has stated that some CIS guys and younger prospects might be involved as well.

    Probably's: (Signed with teams where they officially wont be restricted to play, or FAs that most likely don't sign with restricted teams ie: Euroleague/NBA.

    Jermaine Anderson (PG) FA Last season in France
    Junior Caduogan (PG) last season in NBL
    Duane Notice (PG) FA Last season in NCAA
    Olivier Hanlan (PG/SG) FA? last season signed in France. FIBA Champions League team

    Justin Edwards (SG) FA? last season in Hungary
    Devoe Joseph (SG) FA? last season in Venezuela
    Andy Rautins (SG) FA? last season in Turkey
    Jason Calliste (SG FA? last season in D-League
    Brady Heslip (SG) signed in Turkey
    Daniel Mullins (SG) FA? last season in Finland


    Dyshawn Pierre (SF) signed in Italy. FIBA Champions League team
    Jermaine Bucknor (SF) FA? last season in Germany/Argentina
    Thomas Scrubb (SF) signed in Italy. FIBA Champions League team
    Jevohn Shepperd (SF) FA. signed in France FIBA Champions League team
    Kris Joseph (SF) FA? last season in Italy

    Olu Ashaolu (PF) FA? Last season in Japan
    Kyle Landry (PF) FA Last season in Russia
    Chris Boucher (PF/C) signed a two way for G-League
    Owen Klassen (PF/C) signed in Greece
    Jordan Bachynski (C) signed in Japan
    Rob Sacre (C) signed in Japan
    Sim Bhullar (C) Parts unknown, weight unknown....last season in Taiwan and China 2nd Division.

    Maybe's: (have the potential to be with teams that won't release them)
    Xavier Rathan Maynes (PG) FA - has a NYK camp invite
    Phil Scrubb (PG/SG) FA. Last year in Germany.
    Dylan Ennis (PG/SG) citizenship - tied to Jamaica? Signed in Serbia.
    Carl English (SG) FA? Maybe retired from National Team?
    Naz Long (SG) FA - citizenship, may play for Greece
    RJ Barrett (SG/SF) Highschool. He is good enough for this team and obviously has tight ties with the program. I could see him taking a break from Monteverde and playing.
    Andrew Nicholson (PF) - FA. Last year in NBA
    Melvin Ejim (PF) Signed in Russia. EuroCup team - unknown if he will be released
    Anthony Bennett (PF/C) FA. Last year in NBA/Euroleague
    Joel Anthony (C) FA - Retired? Last year in NBA

    Probably Not's:
    Kyle Wilter (PF) FA Last year in NBA/D-League. Strong rumors tying him to Baskonia (EuroLeague team)
    Dillon Brooks (SF/PF) - Signed with Grizzlies. A chance he will be in the G-league, but doubtful.
    Khem Birch (PF/C) Signed with Magic. Non-guaranteed deal. Could be cut or sent to G-League
    Trey Lyles (PF) Traded to Denver. A chance he will be in the G-League (lots of PFs on Denver roster)

    No's: NBA won't release players in conflict windows, neither will Euroleague. We might get them for the summer series'
    All NBA guys.
    Kevin Pangos (PG) Euroleague
    Aaron Doornekamp (SF/PF) Euroleague
    Stefan Jankovic (PF) Euroeague - said he wants to play for Serbia
    Myck Kabongo (PG) last season Mexico? NBL? Playing for DR Congo in FIBA Afrobasket.

    Canada's training camp roster has finally been announced:
    http://www.basketball.ca/en/news-art...g-and-selectio


    Jermaine Anderson
    Guard
    6'2
    Toronto, ON
    Chalons-Reims (France)

    Brady Heslip
    Guard
    6'2
    Oakville, ON
    Raptors 905 (G-League)

    Nazareth Mitrou-Long
    Guard
    6'4
    Mississauga, ON
    Iowa State (NCAA)

    Dyshawn Pierre
    Small Forward
    6'6
    Whitby, ON
    Banco di Srd (Italy)

    Murphy Burnatowski
    Power Forward
    6'7
    Kitchener, ON
    Fribourg (Switzerland)

    Joel Anthony
    Centre
    6'9
    Montreal, QC
    San Antonio Spurs (NBA)

    Ammanuel Diressa
    Guard
    6'5
    Toronto, ON
    Ryerson University (U SPORTS)

    Warren Ward
    Guard
    6'5
    London, ON
    Windsor Express (NBL)

    Daniel Mullings
    Guard
    6'3
    Toronto, ON
    Kataja Basket (Finland)

    Olivier Hanlan
    Guard
    6'4
    Gatineau, QC
    Le Mans (France)

    Ransford Brempong
    Power Forward
    6'8
    Brampton, ON
    SB Battle (USA)

    Xavier Rathan-Mayes
    Guard
    6'4
    Scarborough, ON
    Florida State (NCAA)

    Junior Cadougan
    Guard
    6'2
    Toronto, ON
    London Lightning (NBL)

    Justin Edwards
    Guard
    6'3
    Scarborough, ON
    Betaland Cdo (Italy)

    Richard Amardi
    Forward
    6'9
    Toronto, ON
    Niagara River Lions (NBL)

    Grandy Glaze
    Forward
    6'7
    Toronto, ON
    Caballeros de Culiacan (Mexico)

    Joel Friesen
    Guard
    6'4
    Abbotsford, BC
    London Lightning (NBL)

    Andrew Nicholson
    Power Forward
    6'9
    Mississauga, ON
    Washington Wizards /
    Brooklyn Nets (NBA)


    A decent list considering what a mess FIBA has made.
    A solid group of athletic guards but fairly lacking depth up front. Andrew Nicholson will be very important here.

    I suspect the top group is going to be:
    Xavier Rathan Maynes (PG)
    Olvier Hanlan (SG/PG)
    Dyshwan Pierre (SF/PF)
    Andrew Nicholson (PF/C)
    Joel Anthony (C)

    Jermaine Anderson (PG)
    Justin Edwards (SG)
    Daniel Mullings (SG/SF)
    Brady Heslip (SG)
    Naz Long (SG)
    Murphy Burnatowski (PF)
    Richard Amardi (PF/C)

    We are going to need to run with three guards often.

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    Virgin Islands confirmed roster for FIBA AmeriCup

    http://www.fiba.basketball/americup/...-fiba-americup

    Brasil 12 player roster for the Americup

    http://www.basquetplus.com/articulo/...ra-la-americup

    Bruno Caboclo is finally going to play his first tournament with brasil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Canada's training camp roster has finally been announced:

    http://www.basketball.ca/en/news-art...g-and-selectio

    Warren Ward
    Guard
    6'5
    London, ON
    Windsor Express (NBL)

    Junior Cadougan
    Guard
    6'2
    Toronto, ON
    London Lightning (NBL)

    Richard Amardi
    Forward
    6'9
    Toronto, ON
    Niagara River Lions (NBL)

    Joel Friesen
    Guard
    6'4
    Abbotsford, BC
    London Lightning (NBL)
    Yay! I like seeing those National Basketball League of Canada players on the list. Hopefully some or all of them make the final roster.

    I keep wondering how the London Lightning, the NBL champions, would do in the EuroCup competition. I suspect the team would be near or at the bottom of the Euroleague, but it might be quite competitive in EuroCup games.


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    In the first day of the "Super 4" tournament, Argentina beat Colombia 78-59, while Uruguay edged Brazil 69-63. Looks like Jayson Granger is playing for Uruguay for the first time in a while.
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    Puerto rico team for the Americup.

    Jorge Bryan Diaz (C, 6'11" BSN, 27 yrs old), Tyler Davis (C, 6'10" Texas A&M, 20 yrs old)

    Carlos "Yao" Lopez (PF/C, 6'11" BSN, 27 yrs old) Gilberto Clavell (PF/SF, 6'7" BSN, 28 yrs old) Chris Gaston (PF/SF, 6'5" BSN, 28 yrs old)

    Chris Ortiz (SF, 6'8" BSN, 24 yrs old) Emmy Andujar (SF/SG, 6'6" BSN, 25 yrs old) Juan Ramón Rivas (SF/PF, 6'9" North Georgia, 22 yrs old)

    Mike Rosario (SG, 6'3" BSN, 26 yrs old)

    Carlos Rivera (PG, 6'3" BSN, 34 yrs old) Alex Abreu (PG, 5'10" BSN, 26 yrs old) Angel Rodriguez (PG, 5'11" Maccabi Haifa, 24 yrs old)


    6 players debuting with the national team. Davis, Gaston, Ortiz, Andujar, Rivas(Son of former player Ramon Rivas), and Rodriguez. The mayority of the players are from our local league, two college players and only one who played in europe.


    Players to watch?

    Tyler Davis
    The future of the team in the center position, i hope this experience helps him grow when he comes back to his college team.

    Juan Ramon Rivas JR
    Son of Ramon Rivas, i'm curious to see what he can do at this stage.

    Angel Rodriguez
    Another player i'm looking forward to see, i think he's going to take the place of barea when he retires, hoping to see him getting good minutes in this tournament.


    Strengths?
    A lot of good defensive hard working players.

    Weakness?
    SCORING!!!!, who's going to shoot the ball?, for the first time we are lacking a natural scorer, they would need to play as a team if they want to move to the next round, everyone needs to contribute offensively.


    https://www.elnuevodia.com/deportes/...ulino-2350947/


    Update:Alex abreu in, Denis clemente out.
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    From USAB's Twitter

    https://twitter.com/usabasketball/st...72281240526848
    https://twitter.com/usabasketball/st...72553622724608

    USA AmeriCup Squad

    Billy Baron
    Alec Brown
    Larry Drew
    Reggie Hearn
    Darrun Hilliard
    Jonathan Holmes
    Kendall Marshall
    Xavier Munford
    Marshall Plumlee
    Jameel Warney
    Reggie Williams
    CJ Williams
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    If nothing else this tournament will be very good insight into how some of these teams will look in the qualifiers. A good tournament result means less to worry about.
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    Decent US squad given the circumstances. I wonder how many of these guys will actually be available for the qualifiers. Plumlee just got a training camp invite from the Clippers and the other younger players will probably have a chance to make an NBA team too.
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