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    Quote Originally Posted by Beno View Post
    I agree with that. But what can we then tell about Doncic? Larkin was in his shadow in almost every game when this 2 teams are met. And maybe this's not his natural position, but Doncit plays on pg position for Laso. And when looking in players stats. have in mind Doncic played less than 20 min., al others near 30 min.
    Doncic is the best european young prospect since the 90s, he is already a top player in the euroleague and he is only 18.

    I hope we will see again Doncic vs Larkin in the ACB final. Baskonia was second, and will have the homecourt advantage first against Gran Canaria and then against Valencia or Barša, it will not be easy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonga View Post
    Doncic is the best european young prospect since the 90s, he is already a top player in the euroleague and he is only 18.
    Lol Giannis tho

    Doncic doesn't have Giannis' upside and ceiling and will struggle a lot with the athelticism and the pace in the NBA which might be enough in order not to speculate what he would be able to achieve if he had stayed in Europe. But definitely he comes second or third in that list, assuming Jokic is currently ranked second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1ou View Post
    Lol Giannis tho



    Doncic doesn't have Giannis' upside and ceiling and will struggle a lot with the athelticism and the pace in the NBA which might be enough in order not to speculate what he would be able to achieve if he had stayed in Europe. But definitely he comes second or third in that list, assuming Jokic is currently ranked second.
    Where and how has played Giannis with 17/18 years?

    Because of different rules, different defenses allowed and bigger court will Doncic play easier in attack in Nba. But for the same reasons he will struggle in the defense. We will see in Eurobasket how Giannis will play with only 2 steps and different defense on him. First step in the beginning and another 3 or 4 in the end make someone look much faster and easier to finish at the rim. Traveling rules and implementation of them is a joke in the NBA.

    https://youtu.be/5i1JoY0M5_4

    https://youtu.be/ibaeyvAzkyY

    Jolic is totally unathletic for Nba standards and look what he's doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beno View Post
    Because of different rules, different defense and bigger court will Doncic play easier in attack in Nba. But for the same reasons he will struggle in the defense. We will see in Eurobasket how Giannis will play with only 2 steps and different defense on him. First step in the beginning and another 3 or 4 in the end make someone look much faster and easier to finish at the rim. Traveling rules and implementation of them is a joke in the NBA.

    He might not be as much dominant as he is in the NBA and at the same time he should make some adjustments in his game but that will neither diminish his impact nor will stop him from being dominant but to a lesser extent. I remember in 2015 how easily he was finishing around the rim and that was when he was heading to his third professional season. There are simply no players in Europe, or at least there only a few of them so I am not exaggerating, who at the moment can guard him. How is going to be utilised will be up on the coach (there's no one currently) because he hasn't been utilised properly so far.

    That was kinda OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1ou View Post
    He might not be as much dominant as he is in the NBA and at the same time he should make some adjustments in his game but that will neither diminish his impact nor will stop him from being dominant but to a lesser extent. I remember in 2015 how easily he was finishing around the rim and that was when he was heading to his third professional season. There are simply no players in Europe, or at least there only a few of them so I am not exaggerating, who at the moment can guard him. How is going to be utilised will be up on the coach (there's no one currently) because he hasn't been utilised properly so far.

    That was kinda OT.
    No one will guard him one on one and they will leave him with open shots and we will see, if he can make them, not very likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beno View Post
    Where and how has played Giannis with 17/18 years?

    Because of different rules, different defenses allowed and bigger court will Doncic play easier in attack in Nba. But for the same reasons he will struggle in the defense. We will see in Eurobasket how Giannis will play with only 2 steps and different defense on him. First step in the beginning and another 3 or 4 in the end make someone look much faster and easier to finish at the rim. Traveling rules and implementation of them is a joke in the NBA.

    Jolic is totally unathletic for Nba standards and look what he's doing.
    In the European game, Giannis and Doncic will perhaps be on par in a couple of years from now. In the NBA Giannis will probably dominate over Doncic. Although Doncic could potentially become a great shooter like Dirk. This is the only way he can come close to Giannis in the NBA. That said, we have yet to see signs that Doncic will continue to develop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    Do you believe Bogdan is Point Forward ?



    Really ? He was terrible at Olympiacos match-up.
    agree he was terrible oly games but i think he one of the best talanted pg but poor defense and unstable ok we may replace with larkin or granger........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    In the European game, Giannis and Doncic will perhaps be on par in a couple of years from now. In the NBA Giannis will probably dominate over Doncic. Although Doncic could potentially become a great shooter like Dirk. This is the only way he can come close to Giannis in the NBA. That said, we have yet to see signs that Doncic will continue to develop.
    We must not forget Doncic's great ability in pick&roll situations, this in combination with high basketball IQ and good shooting can be as deadly as great athletic ability. And imho he's not as bad athlete as some people thinks he is. He's body could develop a lot in next 5 years. When Doncic is evaluated and compared with great players from past and the present we tend to forget he's still high school kid and that his future opponents in Nba still playing in school leagues not even in the NCAA. Put any future high school star in Euroleague and he won't look not even near that impressive how Doncic looks today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beno View Post
    Where and how has played Giannis with 17/18 years?

    Because of different rules, different defenses allowed and bigger court will Doncic play easier in attack in Nba. But for the same reasons he will struggle in the defense. We will see in Eurobasket how Giannis will play with only 2 steps and different defense on him. First step in the beginning and another 3 or 4 in the end make someone look much faster and easier to finish at the rim. Traveling rules and implementation of them is a joke in the NBA.

    https://youtu.be/5i1JoY0M5_4

    https://youtu.be/ibaeyvAzkyY

    Jolic is totally unathletic for Nba standards and look what he's doing.

    Giannis was playing in greek second division when he was 18..so what?I hate this kind of argument..Players dont develop the same way.Some hit their ceiling earlier,while others are late bloomers.Rubio was starting at the olympics finals at age 17 while Curry or Westbrook were playing videogames at their homes.Who's the better player now,Rubio or Westbrook?Doncic being a contributor at age 18 in euroleague doesnt necessarilly mean that he'll dominate in NBA in a few years..it doesnt work this way.In fact i have serious doubt whether a guard with his modest athletic abilities can dominate in current NBA but we'll see

    We must not forget Doncic's great ability in pick&roll situations, this in combination with high basketball IQ and good shooting can be as deadly as great athletic ability.
    tell that to Jasikevicius (or Cabbages as Pacers fans called him)..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    Giannis was playing in greek second division when he was 18..so what?I hate this kind of argument..Players dont develop the same way.Some hit their ceiling earlier,while others are late bloomers.Rubio was starting at the olympics finals at age 17 while Curry or Westbrook were playing videogames at their homes.Who's the better player now,Rubio or Westbrook?Doncic being a contributor at age 18 in euroleague doesnt necessarilly mean that he'll dominate in NBA in a few years..it doesnt work his way.In fact i have serious doubt whether a guard with his modest athletic abilities can dominate in current NBA but we'll see



    tell that to Jasikevicius (or Cabbages as Pacers fans called him)..
    I wonder if you have written anything positive in your life?

    Yes, nobody guarantees anything to Doncic. But I guess is better to have some skills at 18 than none? Doncic for sure won't play Pg in Nba and very possible he won't be Sg either. Ricky Rubio was never even near to Doncic in Euroleague. http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...W#!careerstats

    Yes, I know how you appraise Euroleague, no need to hear it again.

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    2009-10 stats for Rubio are very similar to current Doncic ones..except he didnt rebound as much and played in much more structured and slow paced offense under Pascual..that Rubio was nowehere near Doncic in Euroleague is a blatant lie..you can say that Rubio couldnt shoot for shit and that gives Doncic a huge advantage but as far as production goes there isnt much difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    2009-10 stats for Rubio are very similar to current Doncic ones..except he didnt rebound as much and played in much more structured and slow paced offense under Pascual..that Rubio was nowehere near Doncic in Euroleague is a blatant lie..you can say that Rubio couldnt shoot for shit and that gives Doncic a huge advantage but as far as production goes there isnt much difference.
    O.k. Can we agree that this season from Doncic is better than any season from Rubio? In PPG, Rebounds, shooting %, Pir and round MVP's received. Rubio was older in his last seasons and he played more Euroleague seasons. When Rubio was 17/18 his numbers were much lower than numbers from Doncic.

    And if you ask me, bigger Rubio with shooting abilities, would have been great player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beno View Post
    No one will guard him one on one and they will leave him with open shots and we will see, if he can make them, not very likely.

    This year he improved his jumper dramatically, he is able to knock down the open shots when he is forced to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonga View Post
    Doncic is the best european young prospect since the 90s, he is already a top player in the euroleague and he is only 18.

    I hope we will see again Doncic vs Larkin in the ACB final. Baskonia was second, and will have the homecourt advantage first against Gran Canaria and then against Valencia or Barša, it will not be easy...
    Guys. Everybody appreciates both Donšiš and Anteto... but you overcarried away, best young prospects since 90s. so where was this bold sentence leave Dirk, Pau and Parker? not even mentioned Kukoš, Divac, Petroviš...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gockun View Post
    Guys. Everybody appreciates both Donšiš and Anteto... but you overcarried away, best young prospects since 90s. so where was this bold sentence leave Dirk, Pau and Parker? not even mentioned Kukoš, Divac, Petroviš...
    I think he meant 90's born players.

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    When Gasol or Parker where young prospects we lived in the 90s. Petrovic? 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gockun View Post
    Guys. Everybody appreciates both Donšiš and Anteto... but you overcarried away, best young prospects since 90s. so where was this bold sentence leave Dirk, Pau and Parker? not even mentioned Kukoš, Divac, Petroviš...
    Well, as far as NBA is concerned, Ante is already a biggest prospect at his age than any of those guys have ever been.
    http://hoopshabit.com/2017/01/15/gia...bas-next-king/
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kqJyuHgLMY
    Of course Doncic is nowhere near for the time being and only time will tell if he will ever be.

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    doncic orign position pg???? why mostly argument about doncic this topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by warface View Post
    doncic orign position pg???? why mostly argument about doncic this topic
    He's playing as Pg for Laso. Why? I have to say Laso did great move, he is not physically strong enough to play as sf, he used his great basketball IQ and passing ability and hide his weaknesses, witch every 18 years old kid has.

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